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Do you remember which Moog model camber bolts you purchased? I just ordered the Moog # K929; they also have another model that looks a little different, but it still is supposed to fit the Matrix.
Here are the two Moog models I've found: # K929 and # K90477.
I'm guessing that either one would work; I just went with the K929 since it promised a little more adjustment room (and also because you mentioned "MagnaCam" in a previous post, and that is used in the description of the K929 I've seen at online vendors)
I had no illusions that I'd go to Toyota about this...I gathered from all the posts that they weren't going to own up to it, so I knew I was on my own. That's why it's nice to have forums like this; I feel I have a shot at getting it fixed, thanks to posts like yours.
Take care, and thanks!
The Corrollas and Matrix are known to have bad computers but I had to go to a different dealer to get it replace the original one wouldn't. They had the computer on hand and told me they are changing alot of them. If a dealer is stocking a 2000 part it is a major issue but Toyota is not doing a recall. If your transmission is not functioning properly tire wear increases.
It seems for some the front is the problem, and for you, the rear! Wish the problem was more consistent! Be easier to fix then.
Enjoy your new car!
The only thing that happened to me was that the noise did not come as fast as for most..., but it did:(
It’s an annoying humming noise that starts at 20mph and continues in to high-speed, when it gets a bit drowned out by other hwy noise.
At first I thought it maybe wheel bearing I changed both no change, it’s not the differential as that noise stops with no load...
I see that every one is having the same problem.
What's going on with Toyota...
I think that the problem is with the 205 tire size, WHY WHY WHY 3-series BMW tire width size for a Corolla??? What idiot decided that?
I bet that regular corollas don't have this problem...
Marcin
http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/ivoq/#vehicles
If you are having problem file a complaint numbers do count!
I have since talked to the service manage at the car dealership. Not much help there.
Then I called the 800-3311-4331 Toyota number and filed a case with them. The tire guy is going to put the car on a lift tomorrow and give me a printout of whatever the laser alighment thing says is going on. I'll take that to the dealer, who is 2 hours plus from here. Any suggestions for success? I don't think the government is the answer.
I live in Washington state and bought the car at Town Toyota in Wenatchee.
Alignment specs are all within spec, but not perfectly symmetrical. They tried to tweak the toe a bit but it is still drifting. Not sure if the Moog camber bolts would help or what....or pehaps shims in the rear.
I HAVE NOT noticed tire wear....but for all I know, they put new tires on it before they put it for sale....they look pretty newish. At any rate...I am now wondering if this car was a big mistake....I love it but for this drift. This is something I would expect from one of the many junkers I've driven over the years...not an $18K relatively newish Toyota. And it doesn't take a wild imagination to envision a scenario whereby the car drifts into the oncoming lane...or God forbid oncoming traffic.
Will be contacting the dealer again....service manager mentioned something about contacting someone further up the chain (regional/district rep, factory service tech??)
PS- we had the same issue on a low mileage (5000) certified corolla....it was fixed in two attempts...I recall the sm talking about longer camber bolts or something?
Signed...
Losing faith in the Toyota Marque
I filed a report at Toyota, which you can do by calling the 800 number in your sales or service papers. I intend to call them back to tell them that the cost of the new tires that I'll have to buy in the spring as well as the "camb kit" (I put this in quotes because I don't know what it does). The service mgr at my dealerl read my posting on Edmunds, and he found the kit would resolve the alignment problem. If the kit fixes it, it seems to me that Toyota should have a recall and put the kit on all the Matrixes.
To sum up: file a report with Toyota; refer your dealer to Edmunds (send him the link to Matrix tire problems). Dealers need to know that we're not the only ones with this problem.
Let me know what happens.
Cheers!
Cujostheman
I was just censored on that other forum because I included a link to this thread in a discussion about Corolla tire problems.
Would I get censored on this forum for pointing to a discussion on "CarTalk"?
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
My 08 XR is not awd...so I can't offer anything there....I do remember looking at the 09 AWD Matrix and the mpg steered me away. Perhaps if I could have found a super low mileage 08 AWD I would have gone that route (believe the earlier awd had the 1.8 sonce that was the only motor offered then besides the turbo'd xrs)
Good luck with you decision....(definetely give some other brands serious consideration, toyota is not what is was only a few short years ago)
I rotate them every 10K miles, same as I have with every car I have ever had.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
Any additional information would be appreciated.
lc
I live in Upstate NY, Rochester. It would be greatly appreciated if you could provide information for all Toyota owners to use. I am willing to provide my email or phone if necessary to get the information, I am in need of new tires and would like to have the kit installed to prevent futher tire expense. Thank you in advance and Merry Christmas.
There is no mileage warranty on the Eagles because they are designed to be more of a performance tire, with better traction and handling than average. As a result, they are not a long-life tire - based on what I am seeing of mine, they will do about 40K miles, maybe 45K.
And I am now at 26K on mine (Eagle RSAs), no funny wear or other problems, fully expecting to get the 40-45K out of them. My Matrix is an '07 FWD.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
Costco does not keep them in stock, but you can order them or other Michelin or BF Goodrich tires to be delivered to your warehouse location free of charge. I just saw that Costco is featuring the newest version of my tire called Plus for the same price I paid. Costco runs rebates of $60 or $80 from time to time on Michelin, and with my $60 rebate, I paid about $450 out the door when I bought them. Something else to know about Costco is that you can't use a credit card in the warehouse, other than AX, but ordering online, you can.
Just turned 84,000 miles and still have plenty of tread left. I will easily make another 10K or maybe to 100,000 on this set. That means that I will get between 64,000 and 70,000 miles on them. They have a 45,000 mile warranty! You bet I'm happy!
I am an older driver, so I'm not driving them crazy, and I do drive plenty of highway miles. But I'm not a slow driver either, and I'm zipping in and out of traffic driving in San Diego, Orange an LA Counties usually at 75-80 mph. The tires perform very well on the Matrix and high speed maneuvering if great. I rotate and balance them every 5000-6000 (free at Costco). I aligned the wheels when I got the new tires, and that's it.
It will be interesting to see what I get, and you can bet I'll be buying another set.
I just purchased an '06 Matrix with AWD. It definitely has abnormal wear on the outside edge of the front left tire. I think the camber kit might help.
I wanted to see if you still conclude that the kit is working on your Matrix, after a few more months.
regards,
John
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
thanks for all the info. guys!
Regarding my install of camber bolts and results, the tire wear is very even on all 4 tires, which were rotated per schedule. I originally installed the camber bolts and aligned the front, leaving the rear alone. Probably should have done a 4 wheel alignment, but the manufacturer should have aligned the thing to last more than 12,000 miles!
I just went through the set of Yokohama Avid (60,000 Mile warranty) in just about 30,000 miles. A little disappointing considering how it is driven, mostly highway. But, no more noise, vibration and pull. No difference in the mpg either. I was glad that I installed the kit.
Rocky
i don't know much about suspension, camber kits, alignment, etc. i need to get some camber bolts for my 06 matrix. how many do i need? 1 for each tire, 4 total? 1 for each front tire, 2 total, or ??? i want to get these and have it done soon...
thanks in advance.
While my car was in the shop I looked around the showroom and the 2009 model Matrix. A salesman snagged me. Long story short, I traded my 2006 in on a new 2009 with siped (sp) Goodyear Eagle tires on it. I financed at zero percent; Toyota paid off every penny of my old balance (about 14,000), so I also saved the interest I would have paid over the next few years. My old AWD car had 29000 miles on it. It was clean and the buyers really wanted it.
I have the warranty pamphlet for the Eagles in front of me.I intend to have them rotated every 6000 miles or six months. There is no "mileage" guarantee, but there is a "wear" guarantee that will replace the tires free if the wear reaches a certain point in the first year. After the first year, there's a six-year prorated replacement guarantee.
I don't like the color as much as my old car, and I have cheap plastic hubcaps, but the car has more pep and is handling beautifully, without studs, on the snow and ice.
I solved my problem by trading for a new car. I hope that the tire problems won't recur in the 2009 model.
sgracie
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
Just as I would expect it to be. Nice car, but certainly heavier than a Matrix by several hundred pounds, and designed to optimize ride comfort.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
any thought on the data??
http://rumbles.com/align.pdf
The alignment is much better but not perfect.
While the individual toe #'s in the rear are off a little the total toe is in spec. The rear of the car will be slightly shifted (dog track), not enough to see or worry about IMHO.
http://www.aa1car.com/align.htm
* August 2005 at 27K had to replace 2 tires because the driver's side rear tire had a chunk out of the sidewall. Dealer put the new tires on the rear after telling me they would go on the front with the existing front tires moved to the rear. Two days later they switched the new ones to the front at no charge. Recommended against rotating tires; said good tires should remain on the front until tread wear was relatively even.
* August 2007 at 43K needed 2 new tires again because the two remaining factory tires were worn to the point they wouldn't pass inspection. New tires again put on front.
* Tires were then not rotated again until last week. They had planned to do so at 60K in January 2009 but decided not to because they said one of the rear tires was showing 'minor cupping.' You could definitely hear the rumbling road noise at higher speeds coming from the rear.
* They told me when I checked in last week at 64K that they wouldn't rotate the tires, but then they did. Said the technician this time felt they could be rotated. Now the rumbling noise is definitely coming from the front, but it is most noticeable between 15 and 30 or 35 mph.
My wife drives the care much more than I do. She thinks we shouldn't buying new tires until it becomes a tread issue. Questions:
(1) Assuming it is the tire and not the alignment, is cupping of one tire really not a safety issue if the tread depth is good?
(2) I have had better luck in the past with Yokohama tires than any other brand as far as grip, ride, noise level, and wear. Does anyone have a suggestion other than Yokohama in the same price range?
Thanks.