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  • esfesf Posts: 1,020
    Actually, I think the Big Cat may be underrated, which almost never happens. It was rated at 19/27 for an XJ8 when I looked at it (for the wife).

    I have also seen reports from owners and four-seasons tests saying they got 25-30MPG on the high and average in the low 20s overall. That's really impressive.

    The A8 should be lighter. I can't imagine how heavy it would be if it wasn't aluminum. At least it's lighter than the 7 Series.

    And the XJ reminds me of what a beautiful car that is. An XJR would certainly be an interesting choice!

    I haven't heard anything about the Landies, no.

    '08 BMW X5 4.8i • '06 Audi A3 2.0T DSG • '05 Audi S4 Cabriolet
  • esfesf Posts: 1,020
    Thank you!

    It's settled. Red M3 sedan, M-DKG.

    Now the only question is... when?

    Since I get some free money this year (elder two children are graduating from law school and college, respectively), I might want to save up. My wife and I just spend, spend, spend... now it's time to be a bit more thrifty.

    So probably next year. The DKG isn't coming out for a bit anyway.

    One thing that irked me:

    I would not be upset to own one.

    ???

    '08 BMW X5 4.8i • '06 Audi A3 2.0T DSG • '05 Audi S4 Cabriolet
  • esfesf Posts: 1,020
    Really?

    The BMW V6?

    Hmm.

    '08 BMW X5 4.8i • '06 Audi A3 2.0T DSG • '05 Audi S4 Cabriolet
  • esfesf Posts: 1,020
    Are you sure? I didn't think the SD850 was still available. I have the SD870.

    Anyway. NYC was probably fun.

    '08 BMW X5 4.8i • '06 Audi A3 2.0T DSG • '05 Audi S4 Cabriolet
  • jlbljlbl Posts: 1,333
    Tony, you shouldn't worry for me… :D I am not such a Ferrari envious man… at least I felt not envy of those Modenas. In fact, apart from not being useful for daily driving, as you and TM said, I did not like their interiors :shades: . They were too much exaggerated for my taste. I'd rather admire a well tuned elegance (classic or modern) within cars. Or the race functional cockpit if it should be the case.

    This does not mean (by no means ;) :) ) that a car interior should be minimalist for me to like it. Minimal or plenty of gadgets like the plane cockpit, it must have sort of a sober rationalism. Oh, I know that Ferraris do not usually have fireworks in their interior, but the seats and other details in them are showing too much to me ('cantan demasiado' [they are singing too much], we would say in Spanish).

    As for my car, after having put 2,000 miles in the odometer, the more I drove her, the more I liked it. Pitifully I could not use even two-thirds of the engine power on the road since things are getting very tough with speeding tickets and loosed driving points over here (Mr. H and Dewey, are you hearing me?).

    I usually drive my 335d through the M tranny, and I find it delicious. And it is even more economic than letting the car free in the aut. or sport mode. In any case, the gear changing is soft and quick, as some of you had told me.

    On the other hand, I am only getting 32.7 miles•gallon at best (cruising at 80 miles•hour) and 19.7 in town&commuting. The 530d was more economic but not so funny. Getting into and out of the 335d is also more body twisting, but there always is some pain in loving. (Edit: that double meaning was not intended—or was it though unconsciously? :blush: )

    Friends travelling in the back seats for 3 hours have told me they were comfortable all the way.

    Regards,
    Jose
  • louisweilouiswei Posts: 3,717
    Uh...

    I don't think Lexus had made it to Argentina yet...
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    If you are sure about that, then it leaves me wondering, "Why not?"

    TM
  • louisweilouiswei Posts: 3,717
    According to the Lexus website, Lexus is in Brazil but not Argentina.
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    I have no Ferarri envy myself. None whatsoever. Completely useless car for Toronto traffic and road laws. Nor do I have much time to do much lesisure driving since I am the designated soccer dad during weekends. Most Ferarris in Toronto seem to be owned by professional athletes who seem to like having women waving their hands at them while they stop at a red light. Such unbridled exhibitionism is not one of my strong attributes especially since I already get the undivided attention of a somewhat jealous wife and all patrol cops (female and male) :cry:

    Oh and by the way Canada for the first time ever will get to enjoy jamon iberico de bellota. For more riveting details here's a link:

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  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    FYI...

    About these lists

    The lists are compiled from overall reliability data covering 1998-2007 models with above-average or much-below-average reliability. CR Good Bets and Bad Bets include only the models for which we have sufficient data for at least three model years. Models that were brand-new in 2006 or 2007 do not appear. Problems with the engine major, engine cooling, transmission major, and drive system were weighted more heavily than other problems.

    BEST OF THE BEST

    These are models that have performed well in CR road tests over the years, and have proved to have several or more years of better-than-average reliability. Listed alphabetically.

    Acura Integra
    Acura MDX
    Acura RL
    Acura RSX
    Acura TL
    Acura TSX
    BMW M3
    Buick LaCrosse
    Honda Accord
    Honda Civic
    Honda Civic Hybrid
    Honda CR-V
    Honda Element
    Honda Odyssey
    Honda Pilot
    Honda S2000
    Infiniti FX
    Infiniti G20
    Infiniti G35
    Infiniti I30, I35
    Infiniti QX4
    Lexus ES
    Lexus GS (RWD)
    Lexus GX
    Lexus IS
    Lexus LS
    Lexus RX
    Lexus SC
    Lincoln Continental
    Lincoln Town Car
    Mazda Millenia
    Mazda MX-5 Miata
    Mazda Protegé
    Mazda3
    Mitsubishi Endeavor
    Mitsubishi Outlander
    Nissan Altima
    Nissan Maxima
    Nissan Murano
    Pontiac Vibe
    Porsche 911 (except '03)
    Scion tC
    Scion xB
    Subaru Baja
    Subaru Forester
    Subaru Impreza
    Subaru Legacy
    Subaru Outback
    Toyota 4Runner
    Toyota Avalon
    Toyota Camry (except '07 V6)
    Toyota Camry Solara
    Toyota Celica
    Toyota Corolla
    Toyota Echo
    Toyota Highlander
    Toyota Land Cruiser
    Toyota Matrix
    Toyota Prius
    Toyota RAV4
    Toyota Sequoia
    Toyota Sienna
    Toyota Tundra (except '07 V8 4WD)
    Volvo S60

    WORST OF THE WORST

    These vehicles showed multiple Used Car Verdicts that were much worse than average, according to our survey respondents. They consistently had more problems than other models overall.

    Buick Rendezvous (AWD)
    Buick Terraza
    Chevrolet Astro
    Chevrolet Blazer
    Chevrolet Colorado (4WD)
    Chevrolet S-10 Pickup (4WD)
    Chevrolet Uplander
    Chevrolet Venture
    Chrysler Town & Country (AWD)
    Dodge Grand Caravan (AWD)
    GMC Canyon (4WD)
    GMC Jimmy
    GMC S-15 Sonoma (4WD)
    GMC Safari
    Jeep Grand Cherokee
    Kia Sedona
    Land Rover Discovery, LR3
    Lincoln Aviator
    Mercedes-Benz SL
    Nissan Armada (4WD)
    Nissan Titan (4WD)
    Oldsmobile Bravada
    Oldsmobile Silhouette
    Pontiac Aztek
    Pontiac G6
    Pontiac Montana, Trans Sport, Montana SV6
    Saturn Relay
    Volkswagen Cabriolet
    Volkswagen Jetta Sedan (turbo)
    Volkswagen Jetta Sedan (V6)
    Volkswagen Touareg


    Comments? Surprises?

    Personally, I am disappointed, although not that surprised, to see so many VW models in the "worst" category. I am very glad to see the Porsche 911 in the "Best of the Best" category, as well as the Acura MDX. Almost all of the best are Japanese! The majority of the worst are domestics, and General Motors particularly.

    TM
  • jlbljlbl Posts: 1,333
    I am the designated soccer dad during weekends.

    I understand. My daughter was a 400 m runner when she was teenager. I used to drive in turn to escort her and other team mates to the meetings. The best part of it was that after a number of boring sessions, we the junior-athlete parents would carry on drinks and food to be shared at nice stadium parties.

    Of course, jamón ibérico, de bellota, or pata negra was a necessary part of the parties. I am glad that you can try it in Canada. I believe it is imported also in the USA now. I lively recommend it to everyone!

    Regards,
    Jose
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    BMW M3?

    Why buy a Lexus when I can buy a BMW M3 instead. Ofcourse my main reason for buying a M3 would be strictly for reliability reasons. Nothing else. ;)
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    jamón ibérico, de bellota, or pata negra

    Not a daily nutrient type of food (the Ferrari of all Porks) but definitely worth trying during special occasions
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    It's against my religion to eat pork, but heck its against the law to speed too.

    How you drive is a personal choice. But, no matter what you believe or choose regarding driving, if you get caught speeding, you will be penalized.

    Religion is also a personal choice. If you choose a religion that prevents you from eating that wonderful pork, you can always reconsider your religious choice. Regardless, unlike being caught for speeding, if you eat that wonderful pork, God will indeed forgive you! ;)

    Enjoy it!

    TM
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    Hopefully you're right.

    There are forgiveable sins and unforgiveable sins. Two unforgiveable sins that come to my mind are the following:

    Thinking that Lexus has boring dashboards or coveting your neighbor's house or wife.
  • louisweilouiswei Posts: 3,717
    Thinking that Lexus has boring dashboards

    Unforgiveable sins INDEED!!

    :P
  • bristol2bristol2 Posts: 736
    The company I work for is the only importer of jamon navidul in Texas, I don't know how much that means to anyone but we are pretty proud of it!

    link title
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    Why buy a Lexus when I can buy a BMW M3 instead. Of course my main reason for buying a M3 would be strictly for reliability reasons. Nothing else.

    That's a terrific idea. Of course, it will be a very long time until we know their results on the current M3 with its mighty twin-turbo V8.

    But, as CR typically resorts to when they have a lack of actual new factual data... something to this effect, IIRC... based upon previous model reliability, we anticipate this new model should be reliable as well.

    (Sometimes, nothing could be further from the truth!)

    TM
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    That's cool.

    With that, I'll take one of these...

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    and one of these...

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    and one of these...

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    and a few of these gift baskets for some friends...

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    Oh, gosh... Sorry bristol... I seem to have gotten carried away. I haven't had lunch yet, and it all looks so damned good! ;)

    TM
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    The A8 should be lighter. I can't imagine how heavy it would be if it wasn't aluminum. At least it's lighter than the 7 Series.

    The all steel Phaeton weighed 5200lbs. so that should give you some idea. The Audi ASF structure is less weight efficient than the Jag's system, unfortunately.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    I have no Ferarri envy myself. None whatsoever. Completely useless car for Toronto traffic and road laws.

    Agree. If its 360 Modena vs. Maserati Gran Turismo, I'll take the Maser, thanks. It's better looking inside and out, and usable on Pennsylvania's "roads".
  • louisweilouiswei Posts: 3,717
    M3 with its mighty twin-turbo V8.

    What? The V8 on the new M3 is naturally aspirated.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Personally, I am disappointed, although not that surprised, to see so many VW models in the "worst" category.

    I just expect that from VW. Audi has really impressed me with how far they've come in the last couple of years. The A6 went from being a total loser 10 years ago to one of the most reliable cars in the class, matched only by the M35/45. VW though doesn't seem to have made any real traction at all. Honda and Toyota are still doing well over all, but greatly increased complexity in their cars seems to have hurt them recently.
  • jlbljlbl Posts: 1,333
    Agree. If its 360 Modena vs. Maserati Gran Turismo, I'll take the Maser, thanks. It's better looking inside and out, and usable…

    I fully agree too.

    Regards,
    Jose
  • tmjddstmjdds Posts: 22
    I am so done with this company. I have too many stories to list here. Problems with a 2004 745Li and a 2007 530i. I just finished speaking with coporate in NJ and no help. My letter was to the CEO of N.A. and still nothing. After driving a Lexus, I feel like I downgraded by going to BMW. I like how they drive (when they run) but the company cannot support it's product with it's current management...stay away! : :lemon:
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    The V8 on the new M3 is naturally aspirated.

    Yes it most definately is! Goodness... I have gotten so used to saying "twin-turbo" for the past few months, that I did so without even thinking about it. My bad... no, my double bad... heck, my "twin bad"!! ;)
    Thanks for the good catch Lou. :)

    TM
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    Jim, in 7 years, you have made 18 posts. Could you elaborate a little on your last post? Sounds absolutely horrible, yet many other BMW owners on this thread have never expressed problems to the extent you have indicated. I don't want to chalk it up to a rare lemon... I am interested in how you describe the poor product support and management.

    I realize that focusing on the problems of BMW isn't generally my cup of tea, but I think in all fairness it could be valuable to learn of your experience. Can you please tell us what happened?

    TM
  • louisweilouiswei Posts: 3,717
    Wow!

    Being a Lexus supporter naturally I am glad that your experience with Lexus has been good compares to BMW. However, what you have stated does go against the norm, especially saying that going to BMW is like a downgrade compares to driving a Lexus. Like Tag has suggested, more details would be great.

    I do agree that currently there is not another manufacture that can rival against Lexus in customer service.
  • anthonypanthonyp Posts: 1,857
    Come on jlbl-----Take a look at thos pictures again----Just a stunning looking car---particularly the black one----just a beautiful sculpture.....I guess we are in agreement on the usability , but I sure admire the car and all it stands for...If I were a collector as I imagine Blkhemi is, it would be sweet to go to a place like the picture showed and have a weekend touring around in scenic wonderful new places...The picture of the new car making friends with the Ferraria, was an interesting shot, sort of like you said `peeping` and I would think of looking at a naked woman....Better not let that new car get any ideas.....Again beautiful photos, and a beautiful location.....Spain is a beautiful country......Tony ps this is not to take anything away from your beautiful home TagMan
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,934
    From reading some of your back posts it appears that you have had issues with two BMWs. But it also looks like BMW bought back your first problem car that was leased. Sounds like they took care of that issue for you.

    Like others have said, please provide more info. Some of the posters here could very well provide you with some valuable info. Good luck and I hope you get things worked out.

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460 2002 Tacoma 4x4

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