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  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
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    If actually built... the Tesla Model S Sedan will be powered by a lithium-ion battery pack that will give it a range of 240 miles and a 0 to 60 mph time of less than 6 seconds. Pricing is expected to come in at $60,000.

    TM
  • clemboclembo Posts: 253
    All of the cars that you mentioned are great - but in their own way. Most people here have owned a variety of them and we all have our favorites. If you define Luxury as hi-tech features and smooth ride then the LS is probably your best bet. Badge respect - S550. Want to feel young and drive a bit aggressive - 750. Like understated looks and great design - A8.

    I actually think that the Passat CC is a bargin, beautiful styling, german ride, Audi like interior for less than the ES350.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Where does the flux capacitor go? Mercedes is going '80s, but this just takes it to another level. Those temperature displays on the console(!?) have to be completely unreadable when you're actually driving the car.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    I actually think that the Passat CC is a bargin, beautiful styling, german ride, Audi like interior for less than the ES350.

    How is a car that is more expensive, less practical, and less comfortable than the Passat a bargain? I also wouldn't describe the interior as "Audi like". It's the same as the standard Passat's interior. Definitely in the "VW like" category. It looks a bit glitzier, but actual materials quality is down compared to the old Passat.

    I've found that I no longer have much interest in the full-size lux class. After spending time behind the wheel of a Jag XF SC or S6, none of them seem particularly engaging to drive, with perhaps the single exception of the Maserati QP. The full-size class also takes by far the biggest resale hit.

    Currently, I like the A6 3.0T and the M35 w/ the new 7-speed. The next generation 5 could be interesting, but I don't like BMW's latest styling direction. The interiors are much improved over the Bangle era, but the 7 and Z4 seem bland and forgettable looking overall, with stupidly huge kidney grilles.
  • cyclone4cyclone4 Posts: 2,285
    "Per the readout on the GL dashboard I averaged 60 MPH (including 14 miles of off highway) and 19.5MPG. If I was in the LS I'd have been around 27-28MPG. So not only are there so many fewer drivers out there but the MPG is greatly improved as a result. "

    It is definitely a sign of the times. It is great to reap the rewards of less less traffic in the short term, but I sure hope we survive this historic collapse of the economic system. Do you have any new feelings about the future economy?
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    I always look back to trying to take a Highlander hybrid and remember that the $72K GL is only costing me $175 more each month than the $48K Highlander hybrid. In times like this luxury can become a great value.

    That is one heck of a great deal. Definitely great for you but not for MB. MB is shooting themselves in their own foot with these kind of deals. Who will want to pay full price for any MB if this continues?

    Such kind of discounting can backfire for any luxury brand whether its cars or clothing:

    In terms of clothing:

    When Saks Fifth Avenue slashed prices by 70% on designer clothes before the holiday season even began, shoppers stampeded. "It was like the running of the bulls," says Kathryn Finney, who says she was knocked to the floor in New York's flagship store by someone lunging for a pair of $535 Manolo Blahnik shoes going for $160.

    Perhaps the biggest consequence is that customers are now questioning the entire premise of luxury goods: Why pay top dollar today if big markdowns could be coming tomorrow?

    "Shopping has changed as an experience for me" because of all the discounting, says Roz Silbershatz of New York. Over the holidays she bought, among other things, a $1,000 Badgley Mischka gown for $290.

    Previously, the 29-year-old communications executive had paid full price for items including a $2,500 Jimmy Choo handbag. "I am so shocked that I ever did pay full price," she says. "I could never do that again."

    Wall Street Journal
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    The Honda CR-V is the most sensible vehicle in its segment. The two AWD vehicles that I seriously considered buying is the:

    Honda CR-V
    Hybrid Highlander
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    Regarding lifestyle I couldn't agree with you more

    The Ford Fusion is definitely a fantastic car. Beats the Toyota Camry hyrbid. Better mileage and cargo space is fantastic for a hyrbid sedan. The engineers at Ford have proved themselves with this car.

    Would I get one? A Prius has similar interior dimensions with superior legroom. The Prius has far more cargo space and far better mileage. Though the Fusion's one advantage is that it does not look like a qwerky wedge like the Prius.
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    This month my wife and I are going to test drive the 2010 Lexus RX350 just to get the feeling of what the RX450h will be like. Never drove a RX before so it will be a new experience.
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    In other words, entropy is currently huge in our societies!

    Jose,

    entropy is a great term to describel what is going on with our world. This is unprecedented since not a single country seems to be spared. Call it the globalization of entropy.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Never drove a RX before so it will be a new experience.

    Oh, it's an experience alright. Bring coffee, you don't want to fall asleep behind the wheel :P
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    The Honda CR-V is the most sensible vehicle in its segment.

    Totally agree. And... if it were a hybrid, it would be even better. But, Ford gets the prize for that one. And, I can tell you first-hand that the Escape Limited Hybrid is a surprising vehicle. In fact, Dewey, when you are all done checking out that nice Lexus RX hybrid... just for fun, go to your local Ford dealership and check out an Escape Limited Hybrid. Make sure it is a "Limited" model that you check out, otherwise don't even bother... and make sure that it has NAV and Microsoft "Sync". Microsoft Sync with NAV is actually one of the more amazing integrated all-in-one technology systems out there.

    It will all be well worth the experience for you anyway, especially since you are going to get a hybrid. After you check it out, please tell me what you discover. I'd love to learn your impressions of the vehicle, but only after you honestly check out a 'Limited" model configured with Microsoft Sync and NAV as I mentioned.

    TM
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    Between the Fusion Hybrid and the Prius, I'd probably go with the Prius as well, but I'd have to drive them both to be sure... that's because the reviewers have made specific mention of the excellent driving dynamics of the Fusion Hybrid, and it's smooth and quiet nature due to special construction and even special glass, IIRC.

    But, as great as it is... it's boring.

    TM
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    I think I'm about to be sick...
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    After seeing this interior, I'm feeling even sicker... :sick:

    TM
  • The RX series (especially the hybrid) may be something to consider, I've riden in the first series in both back and front and the ride was just OK, not really all that much better (to me anyway) than my current commuter (Mazda3 5-door GT) - I'm assuming the newer series is better from latest reviews. I've gone from tall SUV's (mid-80's Isuzu Trooper II (2 of them) to Dodge Grand Caravan's (two as well) for the kids when they were younger as well as a decent sport sedan ('93 Taurus SHO - 3.2 w/auto) and a string a smaller cars (Scirocco, Fox, New Beetle) and sports cars (Miata's - 2, restored a '74 Corvette roadster and '74 MGB - last of the chrome bumpers) so have come to realize that most vehicles are good for different reasons (many more cars to list but not really pertinent to today's market). The higher ride height over traffic is good with the SUV/Minivan's along with the extra storage for when you need it but the bulkiness, etc. is a trade-off. The small cars get better mileage, typically are more nimble but try to pick up anything and its a challenge (that's why my Mazda3 is the hatch -- may not be as acceptable in the U.S. but Europe has known this for years) and the ride quality suffers with the shorter wheel base, etc. (my wife's smart is great for her short commute but terrible on anything longer). I think that's why we have this new crossover category -- in any case, I'm going to the Chicago Auto Show this weekend so it will give me a good chance at seeing the latest as well as few concepts that may be on the horizon -- would like to see more feedback on the original 'luxury' ride question but I guess that just too subjective. I've read some of the road tests on Edmunds and the notation on ride harness or smoothness without excessive float is I guess is what I'll be looking for -- this could be a harder decision than I thought!
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,687
    Great post and probably catches that end of the market perfectly. The LS and S are really all I'm interested in because they provide the luxury I seek. The 750 and A8 have the right attributes for the seeker of greater sport and provide plenty of luxury as well. But for me lux at that level is a lot more about a great ride than sportier handling that sacrifices the ride somewhat. To each his own and I can easily understand those who seek out the sportier ride.
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,687
    OW - are you in NJ? I'm in Colts Neck but my business is in Tarrytown and and I make the trip 2X a week.
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,687
    Charlie,

    Very hard to grasp. I wish Obama's actions would have provided greater details. The lack of details shows a lot of infighting and IMO a lack of decisiveness, hence such a bad reaction. On top of that Geithner had to fight like hell to present the little that he did - another bad sign.

    We went from far too much leverage to far too little and it can't stay this low or they'll be no economy. How and when we find an equilibrium is anybody's guess. I had thought the greater lending would start to kick back ib by late Feb or early March but that looks to be delayed.

    On oil - I'm wondering if the weekly build that is so much greater than expected each week is resulting from such low demand or OPEC cheating. If the latter is not happening and we are building at this level every week than oil at $35 is seriously overpriced and gas is completely in lala land.
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,687
    Dewey,

    MB is definitely going quite low to keep vehicles moving but it was also a function of the Highlander hybrid being in short supply and in high demand. In fact it's lease price seemed a lot more ridiculously high, particularly given the economic climate than the GL seemed low.
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,687
    Tag,

    That went from a bad exterior to a lot worse interior in a hurry. This is either Bangle's parting shot or they need to get him back ASAP.

    We need D-Man for this analysis.
  • circlewcirclew Posts: 8,372
    LJ, yes, Freehold...currently between opportunities but worked for a manufacturing firm in Orange Count with Corporate in Yonkers so I made the trip up there frequently. We're neighbors after all!

    Regards,
    OW
  • Apparently, new meat.

    '...freshly promoted BMW design boss Adrian van Hooydonk, the man behind the car's bold appearance.'

    Donk should provide plenty of nice of nice adjectives. ;)
  • cyclone4cyclone4 Posts: 2,285
    " This month my wife and I are going to test drive the 2010 Lexus RX350 just to get the feeling of what the RX450h will be like. Never drove a RX before so it will be a new experience. "

    I believe that you will enjoy it. I was really impressed with the interior features/styling and the high tech when I saw it at the Detroit Auto Show in mid January. My wife and I will see it again at a special unveiling this Monday evening at my Dealer. I plan on test driving it as soon as I can in the next couple weeks.
  • Hello Lexus? Did some intern at Toyota design this car? I've had two lexus and looking forward towards my next purchase, HOWEVER, this car looks like a blinged out toyota corrolla. Do the words cadillac cimmeron ring a bell?
  • circlewcirclew Posts: 8,372
    Here is an excerpt from an article covering a speech given by the CEO of Hyundai at the Chicago Auto Show....I'm liking this brand more every day!

    He also said dealers and their sales force "have an immense image problem with their consumer base. Thanks in great part to manufacturer programs that put more focus on moving the iron than consistently delighting our customers, we have reached the point where, frankly, Americans would rather go to the dentist than visit a car dealer."

    Not exactly the happy and upbeat Chamber of Commerce speech typical for the unofficial kickoff of this historically important and dealer-oriented auto show.

    Instead, Krafcik continued his expressive, critical and uncompromising speech by saying the auto industry needs to own up to its shortcomings -- and admit there is truth to most of the negative perceptions of the industry.

    Saying turning around the industry "will require some revolutionary thinking," Krafcik said the emphasis needs to continue on quality and proving that "we listen to our customers and respond to their needs."

    Not new advice, that -- but he followed up with: "Skimping on quality to hit a cost target is a mistake, in my opinion. We'd all be better off as an industry if every manufacturer missed every cost target on every new-vehicle launch by $100. If we took that money and sunk it into terrific interiors with soft touch points and great vehicle dynamics, I promise you we'd all get that money back through customer satisfaction, loyalty and goodwill."


    Here is the full story link.

    Auto Industry Contempt

    Regards,
    OW
  • reality2reality2 Posts: 303
    Don't get the seats. BMW design is becoming tragic. I thought the removal of Bangle would fix the problem. If you look at the prevous 7-Series (2000-2002) that design is still timeless to me - elegant yet sporty similar to Audi's Bauhaus design style which I favor. I am not sure, but is this an attempt by BMW to do their version of the "Sportback" design element? Or is this more supposed to be a Liftback concept which is higher and bulkier? I have to admit that Audi's concept of Sportback is substantially more elegant, intellectually more stimulatiing to look at, and has more of performance vibe to it. Also, the A7 Sportback Concept or the Q7 Concept interiors ae substantially better looking than this.
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    BMW design is becoming tragic.

    Bangle's departure could be the best thing to happen to BMW. There has obviously been too much internal dysfunction surrounding their designs. It's hard to know how much credit or blame to lay on Chris, but perhaps now there will be a better atmosphere that will allow more creative juices to flow... which could end up being a very good thing in the future... or a catastrophe. Either way, it's a very mixed bag at the moment.

    Can't say for sure, but I don't think I'm likely to return to BMW in the future. I may just want to go Japanese for a while. :surprise:

    TM
  • bmlexusbmlexus Posts: 755
    Can't say for sure, but I don't think I'm likely to return to BMW in the future. I may just want to go Japanese for a while

    OMG, thinks have seriously changed here :surprise:

    How are you tagman and every1else here?

    I was gone for a while.

    Whats new here? Any1 got any new cars here?

    Hows your 911 and 135i? Any plans to get a new car?
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,687
    You are going to think you are in the twilight zone.

    I've got an MB GL450 since late November

    Dewey's disgusted with his BMW and is looking at a Prius or even an RX

    Tag - well you just saw his post.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    After seeing this interior, I'm feeling even sicker...

    The exterior is definitely not attractive from any angle, though at least the grille is reasonably sized. That said, I don't think the current 5 series is attractive from any angle.

    As for the interior, obviously those colors and materials are just whacked out concept, and will never make production. The overall design though is a carbon copy of the new 7, which IMO is BMW's best interior ever. Going from this:

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    To this is definitely a major improvement.

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