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  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    My wife is thinking of getting the a8 convertible, and I wondered if you have any thoughts..Such as the engine being only four cylinders, and if the transmission is o k for it??? Also how much longer before a major body change?

    The A5 Cabrio is I think by far the best looking car in its class, and it's also one of the best. I wouldn't be scared of the 2.0T. 211hp doesn't seem like a lot, but it's got a lot of torque and compares well the 328i. There's none of the gutless feeling of the IS250.

    If you do want more power than the A5 2.0T has to offer, the S5 Cab uses the S4's supercharged V6, rather than the V8 in the coupe. It won't sound as good (which is too bad because nothing is better for hearing a great engine than a convertible), but it also doesn't pay the fuel economy penalty.

    I also agree that you should avoid the FWD/CVT version, especially if you're buying. FWD Audis aren't desirable and the depreciation is higher.

    I'm not sure what Audi's plans are in terms of A5 updates. Low volume coupes often don't follow the strict refresh/replace cycles of their sedan counterparts, so the A5 may be with us in its current guise for quite awhile. If the A5 does follow the usual 7 year run, that would mean a new one for the 2015 model year.

    Audi is typically extremely conservative with their mid-cycle refreshes except for rare cases such as the B7 A4 which arrived only 4.5 years into the B6 version. I suspect much of that update had to do with the A4 changing its front end to the single frame grille.

    There are no new grille designs, new engines, or anything else major that I'm aware of that would change the A5 much before 2015. The exception is the new 8-speed automatic which is supposed to be rolling out across Audi's range over the next few years.
  • anthonypanthonyp Posts: 1,857
    Thank You for sharing your depth of knowledge :) I`m going to get her to sort of decide which one she prefers, but would like to have some thoughts to share IF she bites ....so I hope you guys will continue with your advice as things develop....Man don`t ever get use to the ease of flying--addictive and expensive -- Thanks Tony
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  • anthonypanthonyp Posts: 1,857
    Hi Fellows----I made the round with my wife for the beginning of her new car buying experience.....Tagman I really now understand why you liked your bmw 1...I too thought it to be more to my liking than the 3....Audi 5 was bit of a disappointment as they didn`t have a decently equipped one ....The Mercedes e convertible was what she initially liked the most, along with the wagon...She didn`t drive anything today, but got the groundwork started, and met and re established old acquaintances ....While at the Mercedes they has a Maybach (sp)of course I checked it out thoroughly, and the interior is really beautiful, and comfortable....No question in my mind a chauffeur is required and he would have the best seat....reminded me of the old private train car...Tony
  • clemboclembo Posts: 253
    Tony - The new E cabrio looks really nice, I would get either that or the S5. I recently traded in a 2008 335 Cabrio that I never really bonded with. Great engine, but too many other compromises, I used to love BMW's but not as much anymore.

    I saw an A5 in white with a brown interior, very sharp. It would work well in your locations.

    Keep the wife happy, then get the Maybach for yourself. ;)
  • anthonypanthonyp Posts: 1,857
    Ha

    The Maybach really is outstanding...It has an Art Deco look on the inside and really very tastefully done---no question I appreciated it---I believe the price was mid three hundred thousand range---so if I had no one to concern myself about then I probably would get it ,expecting it to be the last luxury car in my life ...but I am lucky and have other responsibilities..

    I agree with you about the a5-s5, and it is in the running.....but as I know what is developing, my money is on the Mercedes cabro....at least until she test drives ...then the practicality may show and the wagon would jump to the top....The wagon would be the winner right now if it came with the diesel, as she is impressed with that engine and the perceived economics...They say it isn`t coming, but I bet it does in the not too distant future...As you may remember I`m not a fan of the diesel fuel, but so what...Her choice--, and me with the new tractor I get diesel on myself regardless, so what`s now wrong with a little more? later Tony
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  • blckislandguyblckislandguy Posts: 1,150
    edited September 2010
    I'd like to move out of my Cayenne V6 and into an AWD Sedan. The Cayenne has been fun but it has a stiff ride, extra firm/hard seats, is down on power, no Serius radio, and even for ears that spent their teen age years listening to incoming mortars has a poor sterio. But it is reliable, still draws comments, has never had any problems, and the Porsche dealership experience is outstanding. Literally outstanding.

    At 66 I'm too young and not pretentious/uptight enough for an S Class. I couldn't imagine going out for a cup of coffee in an S550 in jeans and a faded work shirt. The new Jag is only RWD which rules that out. (Don't they know how to call Haldex for an AWD system?) . But the 7 Series looks good (although it is a bit bland ), and the buff books say it handles really well,especially with the Roll Stabilization Option.

    Given the 7 Series pricing (selecting 'ceramic' coating on the i Drive knob is a $600 option. If you want a heated steering wheel, you have to buy the ski bag pass through and heated rear seats--where did the young German who estabished the option list get this stuff?), the lousy reliablity (does anyone really expect a twin turbo engine to do 100,000 miles without incident?) ,the expensive maintenance (the Providence Bimmer dealer says to expect to replace the $300 + each runflat tires every 20-25k miles) and the poor resale, am I nuts even to look at one?

    OTH an AWD E Class with their no charge sports package, looks good, and at a 53K transaction price is half the Moroney of a 7 Series with AWD and the long wheel base. A Panamera looks good also and the 300 HP, AWD version is about 10K less than the 7 Series. (One of the buff books said though that the Panamera handling was a bit wierd.)

    I would welcome your comments. All of them.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    edited September 2010
    am I nuts even to look at one?

    Yes, but not for the reasons you listed. The new A8 is simply better in every way. If you want big, comfortable, and AWD, it's the car to get.

    As I've stated many times, I'm not a fan of the E-class. If you're looking for an entertaining drive it's the wrong car to buy, sport package or no, and if you want the kind of spacious interior that a BMW 7 has, the E is going to disappoint. In the mid class I would stick with BMW over Mercedes, I don't see any reason at all to buy an E over the new 5 series.

    The Panamera doesn't do it for me. It looks like a frog. I don't expect the A7 to be able to keep up at the Nurburgring, but in the real world I would take the Audi over the Porsche in a second. The best part is that the gorgeous wood from the concept actually made production! With that, I think the A7's interior is the best in the business, including any stale looking Bentley.

    I still want to see what the 2012 A6 is going to be like, but as of now chances are very good that an A7 or S7 will be my next car.

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  • clemboclembo Posts: 253
    I agree with LG, look at the Audi's. Now I have a 2009 A8 and a 2011 on order so I am a bit biased but they are great cars. I had an E500 before, the new one is probably better, but not nearly as fun to drive (if you go that route, Viti in Tiverton is great). I agree with you on the S550, great car but I don't want to be seen in it either. The 750 is tough, I was a big BMW fan but their cars require too much compromise. Price is too high, features are not enough, and ergonomics and subtle operational controls are poor.

    The A7 will be out next spring, built on the A6 platform, but you should at least try the new A8, great car and nothing beats Audi in snow and ice. Also the A8 has the nicest interior quality and design in the class.

    Unless you are going to keeep any of these cars for 5+ years, consider leasing, the depriciation on all of them is very steep.
  • jimbresjimbres Posts: 2,025
    The Panamera doesn't do it for me. It looks like a frog.

    A week ago, I would have agreed with you. Then I saw one in the Hamptons (always a great place for car-watching) on Saturday & was struck by its presence. It looks much better in the metal than it does in photos.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    For your viewing pleasure, here's a good review of the new A8. They cover a lot of the in-car tech stuff that the mags and blogs usually don't care about.

    http://cnettv.cnet.com/2011-audi-a8/9742-1_53-50091857.html?tag=api
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    edited September 2010

    A week ago, I would have agreed with you. Then I saw one in the Hamptons (always a great place for car-watching) on Saturday & was struck by its presence. It looks much better in the metal than it does in photos.


    Perhaps, but when you see the episode of Top Gear where they put one against the Maserati Quattroporte and Aston Martin Rapide - gorgeous cars - it looks like Quasimodo. The engine note was a big nothing too, which was a suprise. 911s sound glorious.
  • blkhemiblkhemi Posts: 1,717
    Ever think about the A8(short wheelbase)? Standard V8 and quattro. And the 2011 is supposed to be the best riding/handling of the luxoboat class, according to all of the mag rags.

    I have an '07 A8L W12, had an S8 but got rid of it for my R8 :( :D !! I have such a fondness for these cars. They're relative rarity is the best. They're only 3 registered in my entire county!

    I would wait to test drive the updated 2011 A8 with its quattrosport option multi-variable adjustable suspension.
  • blkhemiblkhemi Posts: 1,717
    After a 4 month worldwide tour, I'm back!

    Of course I have a lot of catching up to do. The first thing I did was fire up the R8, which sounded sinful after more that 5 months of sitting in a air conditioned garage. Oh giddy!

    And of course I am all over the new A8 that is about to be introduced here in the States. I saw them in Germany back in August when we were there and I lit up like a little kid at Christmas time!
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419

    And of course I am all over the new A8 that is about to be introduced here in the States. I saw them in Germany back in August when we were there and I lit up like a little kid at Christmas time!


    For me, it's all about the new A7. I'm not really that interested in full size cars anymore, and the A7 is only a few inches longer than the A6, and yet has nearly the cargo space of an Avant. Very practical without falling into the ugly/stupid/useless trap of the 5 series GT and ZDX.

    The new BMW 6 coupe is also shockingly good looking. The concept has a B&O stereo with the pop up Beolab tweeters, wonder where they got that idea? :shades:
  • blkhemiblkhemi Posts: 1,717
    "The new BMW 6 couoe is also shockingly good looking. The concept has a B&O stereo with the pop up Beolab tweeters, wonder where the got that idea?

    Say it ain't so!!! Das Munich copy das Ingolstadt? The deceit! The A7 is going to be an amazing concept. I will be honest though, I will have to see that rear end up close to really appreciate the car as a whole.
  • circlewcirclew Posts: 8,372
    Well, the A8 always did it for me over the S-Class Merc but for a smaller package, the new 5'er is one nice piece in it's new suit.

    Haven't driven it yet but this would be it for me over an A6 at the moment.

    The A5 might be too compromising on space for B.I.G. but it's striking compared to the Merc E IMHO.

    Regards,
    OW
  • I enjoyed that video. My 2007 S8 was probably one of the best cars that I ever had the pleasure of driving. It's biggest fault was heavy depreciation, but I think that is shared with most expensive luxury cars today.
  • jimbresjimbres Posts: 2,025
    Perhaps, but when you see the episode of Top Gear where they put one against the Maserati Quattroporte and Aston Martin Rapide - gorgeous cars - it looks like Quasimodo.

    None of those cars will attract much attention in the Hamptons. If you want your ride to be noticed, be prepared to open your wallet for something like a spectacular '57 Buick Roadmaster convertible, restored from the frame up in Eisenhower-era pink & black. That was turning heads. And if you've been invited to spend the weekend at a hedge fund manager's 8500 square foot cottage in SOH (south of Montauk Highway) Bridgehampton, you can't go wrong with a late 50s Mercedes gull wing. (A new SLS will rack up as many status points as a Honda Accord, so don't waste your money.)

    You want old (built prior to the early 70s big bumper mandate), cool & immaculately restored.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Say it ain't so!!! Das Munich copy das Ingolstadt? The deceit! The A7 is going to be an amazing concept. I will be honest though, I will have to see that rear end up close to really appreciate the car as a whole.

    Yep. Those LED light strips on the BMW look awfully familiar as well. It's a good looking car overall and I like the interior design as well, though not as much as the A7. It's at least nice to see a new BMW though that's not another clone of the 7/X5/5 series interior, and it beats the pants off anything Mercedes can come up with lately. The new CLS interior is not impressive.

    http://www.insideline.com/bmw/6-series/bmw-6-series-concept-2010-paris-auto-show- .html
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    None of those cars will attract much attention in the Hamptons. If you want your ride to be noticed, be prepared to open your wallet for something like a spectacular '57 Buick Roadmaster convertible, restored from the frame up in Eisenhower-era pink & black. That was turning heads. And if you've been invited to spend the weekend at a hedge fund manager's 8500 square foot cottage in SOH (south of Montauk Highway) Bridgehampton, you can't go wrong with a late 50s Mercedes gull wing.

    I'll have to pass on the Buick and Mercedes I think. If I'm going to buy a classic, it's going to be a classic. I assume one of these would have no trouble getting noticed.

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  • jimbresjimbres Posts: 2,025
    Yup, that's the ticket.
  • circlewcirclew Posts: 8,372
    edited September 2010
    ...but a marked improvement from the Bangledesh treatment, this is a perfect value in its class.

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    However, I agree with LG that Audi is few steps up on the pleasing visual design aesthetics at the moment...

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    Regards,
    OW
  • anthonypanthonyp Posts: 1,857
    My wife chose the E Mercedes wagon, and in comparison to the bmy wagon, they are entirely different driving cars...I would suggest you drive the E , to see if you liked the ride.....The Audi has been and still is a nice car, and it too is way different.....I personally just do not care for the BMW 7, as it represents something that is foreign to what BMW stands for.....I wish you good fortune in your search

    Hemi welcome back Tony
  • blkhemiblkhemi Posts: 1,717
  • anthonypanthonyp Posts: 1,857
    You made any progress ? :)
  • Thanks for all of your comments.

    I agree that Audi is on a roll and smart car guys are in the vanguard of the switch that is going on.

    I drove a long wheel base 750 a day or so ago and came away disappointed. Sure they drive "small" but they are looong and have very poor sight lines when backing up to park. The exterior styling is innocuous and doesn't really stand out like an A8 or S550. In fact I am hard pressed when looking at the front end to tell a 7 Series from a 5 Series.

    I think I'm going to look again at the Panamera. More pizazz, no MIT E E degree required, more driver involvement, 10K less money, and a better dealership experience. (The latter should be particularly important to someone looking at a 7 Series given their rep.)
  • been a while. I'm surprised that LG likes the new 6 series, happy to see Blkhemi back, and am otherwise still infatuated with all things Audi and Porsche!
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