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  • louisweilouiswei Posts: 3,717
    Are the v6's you referred to actually quicker than the BMW i6?

    In quicker do you mean more powerful? Because I failed to see how can one engine to be "quicker" than another.

    The only BMW naturally aspirated I6 that's more powerful than the class-leading V6s is the 3.2L I6 used on the M roadster and E46 M3. However, that engine has never been utilized on mainstream cars, I am sure there are good reasons for that but production cost is probably one of them.

    I am sure if BMW wants to make a 3.5L I6 it could probably match other same displacement V6s in terms of performance but that could be too big for cars like the 1 and 3-series.
  • As one who drives an Aston Martin and has a Lexus LF-A on order, I would strongly argue that Lexus will belong on the list of exotic manufacturers, once they LF-A is actually launched. Also, since I am 250 miles from my Aston dealer, I must say that the wide availability of service for a Lexus was a big selling point in getting me to pull the trigger on the LF-A. I have to call a hauler and send my car off everytime it needs service, which has been relatively infrequently for an exotic.
  • "But when I think of a Timex I dont think of an Audi R8. I would personally prefer a Audi R8 over a Aston Martin DBS because I can get an exotic drive without the highly exotic services."

    My Aston Martin dealer charges the same hourly rates as my Jeep dealer and their mechanics are quite a bit better. It is true that parts for Astons are expensive but so are Porsche parts, as I learned when I paid $1200 for an air conditioning line. :mad:
  • jlbljlbl Posts: 1,333
    As one who drives an Aston Martin…

    I can only say I am envious of your driving the Aston Martin. The possibility of driving a Lexus would not excite me as much, I am afraid. :)

    Regards,
    Jose
  • louisweilouiswei Posts: 3,717
    The possibility of driving a Lexus would not excite me as much, I am afraid.

    True.

    Except the IS-F and LF-A (or the GT-F).
  • jlbljlbl Posts: 1,333
    Except the IS-F and LF-A (or the GT-F).

    On a second thought… I feel I could get excited with any of those three but in particular with the LF-A. On the adds she looks like a nice combination of power and styling. We are not so used with those Lexuses at this side of the pond. ;)

    Regards,
    Jose
  • louisweilouiswei Posts: 3,717
    We are not so used with those Lexuses at this side of the pond.

    As matter of fact, nobody is used to with those Lexuses at any side of the pond(s).

    Those F cars are definitely a whole new breed of Lexus, especially the LF-A.

    By the way, LF-A and GT-F are going to be the same car as LF-A is currently the code name while under development and the production model is likely to be called GT-F.
  • jlbljlbl Posts: 1,333
    By the way, LF-A and GT-F are going to be the same car as LF-A is currently the code name while under development and the production model is likely to be called GT-F.

    Oh, thanks for your comment. LF-A and GT-F front ends looked as different from one another in the pictures I had seen.

    Regards,
    Jose
  • bristol2bristol2 Posts: 736
    I second that, I would trade more than a pound of flesh for an Aston martin...
  • bmlexusbmlexus Posts: 755
    Years ago, I met my new manager and he told me it was raining, He then added that the rain didn’t slow the cars down though. I’ve seen plenty of rain and the cars have slowed down, a little. However, they are not more sensible.. I am not the cautious type but even I would have to think twice about driving a sports-car in the wet weather. Not so some others and one of the best sights of the week was a porsche 911 stuck in the middle of a huge puddle with water up to the doors going down like the Titanic :blush: . He’d obviously tried to go through the puddle and the water had conked him out.

    The floating Porsche aside, cars have come on leaps and bounds in terms of safe driving, especially in the wet. Years ago when it rained every BMW owner would shudder at the thought of driving to work as those older BMWs loved to throw their rear ends out at any given chance. Today the accidents tend to be more human error than mechanical. Last time it rained I was testing the BMW 335i Coupe and that stuck to the road like glue. When the rains came this week I happened to be testing a Range Rover Sport and, like a kid with his wellies on, I ram-raided every puddle I could find.
  • blckislandguy:
    Thank you for the feedback. The price is 30 thousand. I can buy a 4 year unlimited mileage warranty on the car. MB dealer, Ray Catena in NJ cheked the car out for me, Found the car extremely clean with no major issues. It has the original battery, it does not need tires or breaks, it is missing navigation cd, it is missing key less go key, SC needs recharge, motor mounts need to be replaced. The color combination and how clean the car is on the inside and outside as well as the price is what got our attention. We drove the car and we were impressed with how it handled and the comfort of the cabin. I am waitng for more feedback and my wife and I are looking at all our options and reviewing our concerns. This will be our first S class MB. We own an e320 4matic wagon. It is a 1998 and it still has the original battery. We have had absolutely no problems with our wagon. The wagon has 207 thousand miles and it still drives like new! what are your thoughts/ advice now that you know more? Thank you very much!
  • esfesf Posts: 1,020
    Additions to the list:

    Saturn Sky Red Line
    Audi TT 2.0T
    Nissan 350Z
    Lexus IS250 X Package
    Pontiac G8
    Dodge Charger SRT-8

    Sorry if any of these were already mentioned... didn't bother to check the replies.

    My personal favorites, and the cars I'd buy:

    Audi A3
    Audi S4
    Audi RS4
    Audi RS6
    Porsche Cayman/S
    Porsche Carrera/S
    BMW 135i
    BMW 335i
    BMW M3
    VW R32/GTI
    Merc C63 AMG
    Infiniti G37
    Jaguar XF SV8
    Jaguar XKR
    Lexus IS-F
    Cadillac CTS-V

    So basically, half of them, LOL...

    '08 BMW X5 4.8i • '06 Audi A3 2.0T DSG • '06 Audi A3 2.0T DSG
  • esfesf Posts: 1,020
    Just about everything I've read on the car says that its platform mates, the Euro Focus and Mazda3, are infinitely better to drive. The Volvo is supposedly the dull one.

    +1

    His GTI and my A3 are also far, far better...

    The Volvo C30 is officially a hairdresser's car.

    '08 BMW X5 4.8i • '06 Audi A3 2.0T DSG • '05 Audi S4 Cabriolet
  • esfesf Posts: 1,020
    Get a 2005 Audi A8L instead. I say this not as an Audi fanboy, but as a concerned blogger. The "Frenz don't let frenz drive a Benz" phrase was still in use in 2005, I'm afraid. If you don't want to dump $100K on an S550, try to avoid the last-gen model.

    Pros of the A8L?

    +Better to drive
    +Better interior
    +Worse depreciation (better for you)
    +Ageless style (2005 S-Class is looking dated, A8L is not)
    +Better reliability (by 2005, A8's problems were sorted out... S-Class's were not)

    Go with your gut, though. You said you haven't had problems with the E320? Well, you never know, you could be lucky with the S500. I would try on the A8 first, however.

    '08 BMW X5 4.8i • '06 Audi A3 2.0T DSG • '05 Audi S4 Cabriolet
  • Sure the 9-5 can be as boring as the faculty meetings they tend to be parked outside of. But an Aero with a stick shift and factory BBS wheels is a different ketle of fish.

    Sure the S60R had issues, but I was thinking of the V70 R wagon. Plain jane exterior, 300 hp, AWD, stick shift etc. and little money.
  • ESF, you forgot to mention the Audi Quatro which will get you home no matter how badly it is snowing and that there are negative points to be accrued to being seen in an S Class by a lot of people (lets start first with your employees).
  • Kansahick, I'm surprised to hear that you, "as one that drives an Aston Martin" didn't work out with your dealer free pick up on service work. You left money on the table.

    Heck, even the M/B dealer in Maine sends his own enclosed trailer for all service work for customers anywhere in New England.
  • bmlexusbmlexus Posts: 755
    Get a 2005 Audi A8L instead. I say this not as an Audi fanboy, but as a concerned blogger. The "Frenz don't let frenz drive a Benz" phrase was still in use in 2005, I'm afraid. If you don't want to dump $100K on an S550, try to avoid the last-gen model.

    Pros of the A8L?

    +Better to drive
    +Better interior
    +Worse depreciation (better for you)
    +Ageless style (2005 S-Class is looking dated, A8L is not)
    +Better reliability (by 2005, A8's problems were sorted out... S-Class's were not)

    Go with your gut, though. You said you haven't had problems with the E320? Well, you never know, you could be lucky with the S500. I would try on the A8 first, however.


    I agree with u the A8 before choosing the big outdated s class.
  • bmlexusbmlexus Posts: 755
    SHAQIn papers filed for his pending divorce, Shaquille O’Neal stated that he needs at least $2 million a month to live.

    O’Neal cashes out $23,000 at gas stations monthly :blush:
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    LOL!

    So warped and twisted.

    TM
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Get a 2005 Audi A8L instead. I say this not as an Audi fanboy, but as a concerned blogger. The "Frenz don't let frenz drive a Benz" phrase was still in use in 2005, I'm afraid. If you don't want to dump $100K on an S550, try to avoid the last-gen model.

    I too would either get an A8 or Jag instead. The old S-class just looks.. old. The A8 and Jag are still in production, and basically indistinguishable from new. The old S-class says "I'd like a new S but cant afford one" in a way that something like an LS430 from the same year does not.
  • tayl0rdtayl0rd Posts: 1,938
    ...I would trade more than a pound of flesh for an Aston martin...

    Well, I have an extra 20 or so pounds of flesh just hanging around that I'd trade for just about anything! :P
  • louisweilouiswei Posts: 3,717
    The A8 and Jag are still in production, and basically indistinguishable from new

    That's because...

    A8: Audi is always conservative on its exterior designs so along with the signature roofline, new models don't look all that different from the old ones.

    Jag: When's the last time the XJ got a major redesign?

    The ones that truly don't look dated in my eyes are the last gen 5-series and GS.
  • skarieskarie Posts: 78
    It looks like Chevrolet’s Corvette isn’t the only model or maker to decide that horsepower figures have reached a good resting point. Mercedes’ AMG head has declared horsepower is “not our main focus,” instead the company will be gathering effort to improve interior and exterior appearance and quality, handling and the rest of the “overall package.”

    AMG is currently happy with their power and performance levels relative to the rest of the market, and while the company won’t completely rule out further power advances, it will focus its might on improving efficiency and lowering CO2 emissions. The latter will be of paramount importance if they brand hopes to continue for long in most of the nations that constitute its largest markets, and certainly if it wants to do business in the EU, and increasingly, the U.S.

    One of the main changes that may fuel the increase in economy and decrease in emissions: not all AMG models may get unique powerplants. In fact, there’s a good likelihood that AMG models could share engines with the normal Mercedes-Benz cars they are based on, according to Carpoint. An example of what AMG can do when it builds a custom engine, the 63-series engine, which powers the CLS63 AMG among others, is a fire-breathing maniac of automotive excess, producing in excess of 500hp in various trims. Unfortunately, fuel consumption is similarly excessive, clocking in at 16.5L/100km (14.25mpg US) in the combined cycle.

    This compares fairly well to cars like Audi’s RS6, which grinds out 573hp from its 5.0L V10 engine. Remember, these are the horsepower figures for family sedans - yet there are supercars that can barely rival such figures. In fact, Audi’s own R8 comes in over 150hp shy of the RS6. Perhaps it really is time to focus on things besides power.
    http://www.motorauthority.com/cars/mercedes-benz/amg-declares-the-horsepower-war- -over/
  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 6,374
    What vehicle(s) are you considering to replace the Mazdaspeed 3 with?... 135i, 335i, RS4, or RS6???

    I honestly don't know what I'm going to get. I'm seriously thinking about keeping the Mazdaspeed3 and dropping a stroker M42 into my beloved one owner 318ti Club Sport. Throw in a 4:11 final drive and a six speed and the car should go from 0-60 in under 5.5 seconds. Best of all, at 2700 pounds it feels much more nimble then the E90/92. I'm also tempted to pick up a clean E28 M5. A chip and exhaust mods will net @300 hp at the crank. I ran a 1988 M6 from 1992-1995 so I know what to look for and I can pretty much maintain it myself. Another temptation is an E46 M3 with the Competition(ZCP) Package. If I found one in Imola Red or Interlagos Blue with Xenons, CWP, and NO moonroof I'd probably snap it up- even though it is still a bit too big and heavy for my tastes. The E39 M5 is also a bit porky, but the fabulous V8 covers a multitude of sins... Finally, I looked at a pristine 2002tii as well as a gorgeous Jensen Interceptor, but those two are almost too nice to drive every day.
    As for new cars, there's almost nothing on the market that makes me say "I gotta have it!" I've read that the Evo X and the latest WRX STi have had their rough edges filed off, and if that's truly the case I'm not that interested- especially since I can spend less than $1K on the Mazdaspeed and almost certainly hang with either one on most any road course I know of. I do like the Z4 M Coupe and the Exige, but I still need a usable rear seat for at least five more years. Maybe the Concept tii will see production with a significant weight loss AND an LSD. The new M3 sedan might win me over, but it is going to have to be a really outstanding drive in order for me to consider it.

    2009 328i / 2004 X3 2.5/ 1995 318ti Club Sport/ 1975 2002A/ 2007 Mazdaspeed 3/ 1999 Wrangler/ 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica

  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    Jag: When's the last time the XJ got a major redesign?

    That's the point. For example, when I drive the '05 Vanden Plas (late model with '06 front end), it's nearly indistinguishable from an '06, '07, or even the '08 (which has some minor modifications).

    If someone were to purchase an '05 Vanden Plas that is fully equipped like mine (headrest color monitors, navigation, Bluetooth, etc.) they could pick one up for a song, and have a HELC that doesn't look as out-of-date as the previous S-Class.

    Older Jags, no matter what the model year, all tend to look gorgeous... genuine classics all-the-way. An old Lexus LS, for example, will never become a classic.

    The original point, however, was that when a newer generation emerges with drastic style changes, such as with the S-Class, it tends to make the older generation seem more out-of-date. As a result, the Audi and Jag don't suffer from that situation as much as the S-Class.

    TagMan
  • louisweilouiswei Posts: 3,717
    Well, if I am buying a new car I surely want to have mine be distinguishable than the previous generation(s).

    I guess that's why I prefer drastic changes over mild changes when it comes to a major redesign.
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    The new M3 sedan might win me over, but it is going to have to be a really outstanding drive in order for me to consider it.

    Our situations are very similar. Yours is with the MazdaSpeed 3, and mine is with the GTI. (GTI is better... :P ... award-winning engine w/ DSG.) So, I understand how you feel about the MazdaSpeed 3. I have grown to like the GTI a lot, and will miss it when I trade it in on the 135i. But once I'm driving that BMW, I KNOW I will soon forget about the GTI!

    Once you drive the new M3, you will feel the superior drive to your Mazda... better than that MazdaSpeed 3 could ever hope to be. You might also want to check out the 135i. As you know, if you are inclined to do so, you can upgrade the 135i or M3 performance with chips (Dinan, perhaps?), and other modifications. I doubt I will do that initially.

    BTW, have you ever driven the R32? An AWD, six-cylinder rocket... amazing for the money, IMO.

    But the 135i will be one of the best small performance cars out there in a class almost all to itself... and the price won't be all that bad if you don't overload it with options.

    Based on your post, sounds like you are quite willing to do more modifications than the average guy. It's kind of funny how far some of us will go to get that driving dynamic we crave. I completely understand it. Sometimes, I really miss that Lotus. It was the biggest pain in the neck (literally, more than you know!!), but it was the best handling car I've ever owned at any price.

    TagMan
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    Well, if I am buying a new car I surely want to have mine be distinguishable than the previous generation(s).

    Of course, Lou... but the question was about buying a USED car. In THAT case, it's nice to be in a current design cycle... or have a vehicle that retains a classic appearance no matter what happens to the next generation. :)

    TagMan
  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 6,374
    GTI is better... ... award-winning engine w/ DSG

    No, the MS3 is better; award winning engine and three pedals... ;)

    BTW, have you ever driven the R32? An AWD, six-cylinder rocket... amazing for the money, IMO.

    My local VW dealers -particularly their service departments- are worse than useless- to the extent that I simply won't deal with them. The R32 is a nice car though.

    Once you drive the new M3, you will feel the superior drive to your Mazda... better than that MazdaSpeed 3 could ever hope to be.

    I place a premium on a car's ability to be nimble and "tossable", a trait that continues to endear me to my ti. Will the added power of the new M3 offset the added mass to the extent that it is a more entertaining drive than an E46 M3 ZCP- especially when the ZCP costs significantly less? We'll see... In any case, I can always thrash the ti if I want an involving RWD driving experience; the M Technic suspension and the complete lack of electronic nannies more than compensate for the ti's paucity of horsepower.

    You might also want to check out the 135i

    That was really my first choice, but the lack of an LSD(not to mention an engine oil dipstick) really puts me off. I'm also disappointed that it isn't that much lighter than the E92. I don't expect Munich to make a LSD standard, but it should at least be available. I would also prefer a five door M Sport model, which is available across the pond.
    I may yet wind up with a nice 993; if my son doesn't like riding in the rear seat he can stay at home... :P

    2009 328i / 2004 X3 2.5/ 1995 318ti Club Sport/ 1975 2002A/ 2007 Mazdaspeed 3/ 1999 Wrangler/ 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica

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