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  • jimbresjimbres Posts: 2,025
    I'll admit it: I'm a pretty shallow guy, & the S has a certain stylish arrogance about it that really appeals to me.

    So when my next reunion rolls around (& if I'm still alive -- I'm almost as old as you are), I wanna roll up in either a new S or an immaculately restored '78 Pacer. Won't those cheerleaders wish they'd gone out with me when they had the chance!
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,953
    The F-150, Prius, and Insight are all important vehicles but not in the same class as the LS. This particular forum has LUXURY in the title. In addition, you are getting your time lines confused here. The F-150 has been around forever and the other two were 10/15 years or so later on the scene than the LS.

    I agree that the bangled rear end should be in the Smithsonian. Quite an innovation. Almost as important (laughable) as the tail fins of the 60's. ;)

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460 2002 Tacoma 4x4

  • bmlexusbmlexus Posts: 755
    1 thing is sure,lexus classic of the future or not, it has made the biggest impact as the newest luxury company over the years.

    Who would have thought when lexus was launched it would be competing against luxury cars like mercedes and bmw which are much more recognized all over the world,but still lexus managed to make it's own place.
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,953
    Bingo! But many around here find that hard to swallow! :)

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460 2002 Tacoma 4x4

  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    I'll admit it: I'm a pretty shallow guy, & the S has a certain stylish arrogance about it that really appeals to me.

    Liking an S-Class doesn't make you shallow any more than liking any other Luxury car, whether it's a BMW or Lexus or Audi. Certainly different cars make different impressions at a class reunion, but if you are really shallow that's one thing, and perhaps you are not... but either way, the car doesn't make the person. :)

    TagMan
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    Who would have thought when lexus was launched it would be competing against luxury cars like mercedes and bmw which are much more recognized all over the world,but still lexus managed to make it's own place.

    bmlexus,
    Be clear that you can check the archives and read my repsect for the Lexus LS... more respect than many are willing to give it.

    I understand the success story of Lexus, as there is no denial from me, and I praise the car for it's merits. But what I won't do is give it credit where it isn't due, and I will feel free to have an opinion about the Lexus that might be a little critical from time to time. I also recently criticized Mercedes for some of their styling on certain models, like the R-Class and even the former S-Class.

    No one got offended when I criticized Mercedes that way. But just as soon as I mentioned that Lexus vehicles are unlikely to become classics... holy smokes!!... immediate over-reaction. :confuse:

    This forum will have posts that praise cars as well as criticize them, positvely and negatively.

    I want to be sure that I am not misquoted or misrepresented in any way. I have given the highest respect for the Lexus success story. That does not mean that I have to like the cars, nor does it mean that just because they are not likely to become classics that I have somehow misaligned Lexus in any way.

    It's important to me and I believe the integrity of this forum that the views of everyone are respected.

    You can read my posts with regards to Lexus and the LS, and you will find that I respect the vehicle for many of its attributes, yet also find it disappointing in some ways as well... just as I do with most of the cars of all brands. I have yet to find a perfect car or perfect marque.

    I hope that is clear for you, as I do not want to be misrepresented here on this forum by other posters comments. I will let the posts speak for themselves, and I do stand by my opinion that with all due respect for Lexus, I do not see a classic-in-the-making as yet from them.

    :)

    TagMan
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    It's no 300SEL in terms of spec, but the 500K was automotive beauty at its height. I adore that car. It's truly something else.

    The Benz 540K made just before the start of the war is easily my favorite Benz of all time. What an absolutely gorgeous car. In the '60s though M-B design had nothing on Jag, Aston, or Ferrari.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    I'll be blunt: when I first saw it, I was horrified.

    It's certainly growing on me, though. What do you guys think?


    None for me, thanks. Those blob-like headlights look like something out of the Hyundai or Nissan play book. The interior is the same as it was in '03, just with a C-class steering wheel. Maser GT or XKR over this hands down.
  • louisweilouiswei Posts: 3,717
    there aren't any Lexus classic cars

    Of course there aren't, the company has only existed for less than 20 years.

    while Mercedes vehicles, on the other hand, have often become classics

    Most companies with long history are likely to have few "classics" and that also includes the none luxury brands like Chevy, Honda, Nissan and Toyota.

    Try to name a MB after 1990 that can be called a classic today. If you can then the first ever LS400 should be categorized as a classic as well.
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,953
    misaligned

    LOL! Is that a "Bushism"?

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460 2002 Tacoma 4x4

  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    Mercedes-Benz probably has more classics than any other company

    Couldn't agree more.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Actually, I'd have to say the Bangled BMW has had more impact, and most certainly the Prius has shaken the industry by its very roots.

    I would probably have to agree with you there. The first LS did what? It copied the S-class of the time, just at a much lower price point. It didn't start the "new wave of Japanese luxury", the Legend gets that one. It may have given M-B something to think about, but that's as far as I would go. A "total game changer"? Not really. The first LS may be a very important milestone for Lexus, but not for the entire motor industry.

    The 2002 BMW 7 changed the game a lot more than the LS ever has, not just with its rear, but with iDrive as well. How many brands are using some sort of control knob now?
  • louisweilouiswei Posts: 3,717
    read my respect for the Lexus LS

    And we also read a lot of bashing from you for the Lexus LS...

    Make up your mind!

    I won't do is give it credit where it isn't due

    And you shouldn't, but at least try to give it credit WHEN IT IS DUE. Like houdini said, try to name a luxury car that had a bigger impact to the luxury market (that's the topic here right?) in the last 20 years than the LS400. Maybe it's not a classic in your eyes but who are you to suggest that it shouldn't be a classic?

    No one got offended when I criticized Mercedes that way

    Because you criticized Mercedes based on "facts" (for example, the R-class) but right now you are criticizing Lexus based on your personal opinion. People here are not over reacting, we just have a different point of view that's all.

    This forum will have posts that praise cars as well as criticize them, positively and negatively.

    Since that's the case then don't complain about a few posts that praises cars you don't like. Fair? Last I checked this is still a free country so you are free to criticize Lexus and praise BMW, Porsche and Audi. I, on the other hand, should also be free to criticize Audi and praise Lexus. It's all for a good debate like you have stated before.

    It's important to me and I believe the integrity of this forum that the views of everyone are respected.

    Good, and let's keep it that way. Maybe next time when some other members in this forum whose views got disrespected I hope to see the same comment like this from you.

    with all due respect for Lexus, I do not see a classic-in-the-making as yet from them.

    I respect your opinion but I still have to say that I think maybe the LS400 will one day to be seen as a classic. LF-A on the other hand will definitely become a instant classic once Lexus approves it for production.

    :shades:
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    Like houdini said, try to name a luxury car that had a bigger impact to the luxury market (that's the topic here right?) in the last 20 years than the LS400.

    As recently posted by Lexusguy the BMW 7 Series has had the biggest impact without question. Styling in this segment has become Bangleized ever since the 7 Series Introduction ( S Class, Lexus LS and a variety of mid tier Luxury and even mainstream cars have become Bangleized).

    In fact the Hyundai Genesis if sucessful will have the biggest impact because this will be the first time that top end luxury is introduced at a low price by a mainstream brand like Hyundai. No other car company is bold enough to do such a thing(VW Phaeton was no low priced car).
  • louisweilouiswei Posts: 3,717
    Since we currently have two camps here arguing about which one has the most impact on the luxury market between the 7-series and LS400 let's see what others say:

    (luxury cars are in bold font)

    1. 1992 Toyota Camry
    2. 1991 Ford Explorer
    3. 2001 Toyota Prius
    4. 1984 Chrysler minivans
    5. 1986 Hyundai Excel
    6. 1986 Ford Taurus
    7. 1990 Lexus LS400
    8. 1990 Mazda Miata
    9. 1986 Acura Legend
    10. 1996 Toyota RAV4
    11. 1994 Ford Mustang
    12. 1991 Saturn SL
    13. 1997 Ford F-150
    14. 2003 Hummer H2
    15. 2002 Mini Cooper
    16. 1998 Lincoln Navigator
    17. 1986 Yugo (GV)
    18. 2001 Chrysler PT Cruiser
    19. 2001 Pontiac Aztek
    20. 2003 Cadillac CTS
    21. 1986 Suzuki Samurai
    22. (1994) GM Impact
    23. 1998 Volkswagen New Beetle
    24. 2005 Scion xB
    25. 2002 BMW 7 Series

    Source: Autoblog
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Dewey and esf, you have GOT to stop posting pictures that are too wide. I'm sorry to call you out, but you both keep doing it over and over and every time you do it, you make the entire page unreadable and unmanageable for everyone.

    Try using the height and width paramenters with your image display (e.g., height="312" width="444"), or you can post it on your CarSpace page and use the automatically generated text to do it for you.

    Or you can just post a link to it instead of displaying it, and this is an excellent option if you are not sure.

    It's not just a matter of putting it up and waiting for Pat to come along and delete it; it creates huge problems for everyone until I happen to come by. We all really need for you to be more considerate of all us.

    Thanks. :)
  • louisweilouiswei Posts: 3,717
    Style-wise I'll agree that the 2002 7-series had indeed the most impact. To the whole auto industry and particularly the luxury segment I would maintain that the 1990 LS400 had a bigger impact.
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    1 thing is sure,lexus classic of the future or not, it has made the biggest impact as the newest luxury company over the years.

    Lexus impact has been significant in the USA without a doubt. But its impact has been mute beyond the borders of USA (except South Korea).

    If you want to talk about having a big impact on the performance segment of the auto industry in a very short time then look no further than BMW:

    Early 1960's BMW

    BMW Isetta

    image

    Early 1970's BMW

    The Bavarian

    image

    The 2002

    image
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    Bashing, Lou?

    I don't think so. Even on the Lexus forum, I've been told that my posts are fair regarding the Lexus. You can check that out as well. I'm comfortable with my respect for the Lexus vehicles, especially considering that I don't think their styling is anything to get the adrenaline rushing.

    When the LF-A comes out, I'll sing a different song, as it will likely be the first Lexus I could ever really get excited about. I can hardly wait. Will I put a deposit down on one? Or should it be the Audi R8 TDI? What do you think? LOL!

    TagMan
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    As BMW raced toward luxury performance these past few decades it is now running towards the oppoiste direction with its upcoming Isetta.

    History does not repeat. But sometimes history may end up running backwards. :)

    BMW Today

    image

    BMW of the Future

    The hybrid Isetta

    image
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    height="312" width="444"),

    Thanks now at least I can measure my pictures with a ruler before posting them. ;)
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Do you have a ruler that measures in pixels?

    Really, this is not a joke. The problem is that a too-wide picture wrecks each message on the entire page for everyone, those we post and those we try to read. I really need all of you to be considerate of that fact and I don't know how to make it any clearer.

    Thanks to everyone for your cooperation!
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    Do you have a ruler that measures in pixels?

    No but I can always buy one from Office Depot.

    Just kidding. :) I do know that I can find that info in the properties dialog box

    Thanks for the measurements I will remember them next time.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Might re-read my post. I've taken a cue from you (and a few other members!) and edited the hell out of what I orginally posted. :P :shades:
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,953
    Though new to the U.S., this car has been around for a while in Europe. In 2006 Edmund's compared the 1 series with the MB A class and the Audi A3. The 1 Series didn't do so well.

    Their final thoughts on the 1 Series:

    "Seriously compromised and totally irrelevant".

    This may seem a little harsh but at least it is Edmund's opinion and not necessarily mine. Gosh, I sure hope no one takes offense. ;)

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460 2002 Tacoma 4x4

  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    Gosh, I sure hope no one takes offense.

    Especially the good TagMan, who happens to have one on order.

    Your post is ridiculous, and I'll prove it.

    The "concensus" of reviewers is what I go by, as I have posted MANY times. And ultimately, when it comes time to purchase, I make up my own mind, as that's the one that counts, where the wallet is concerned.

    With regards to the 1-Series, it has received quite a few of the highest ratings any car could possibly achieve. Overall, I have absolutely no doubt as to the car's merits, and am excited to be getting one so soon. The 135i and the European 1-Series are not the same, as Clarkson has pointed out. The history of his reviews are not quite as favorable to the original hatchback, but the 135i with the ICE twin-turbo has received his highest rating, and his summary is that it is the best BMW made. (I think some of the others are as good, however.)

    Read Automobile magazine, as well and others. There is absolutely no doubt about the 1-Series in its 135i form,

    I expect I will love it and want to keep it for a long time. If for some reason I do not, I will simply sell it and get the "next best thing". No big deal.

    BTW, thanks for the dig... Why am I not...:surprise: ?

    Here's the proof I promised... Your own post is "seriously compromised and totally irrelevant". Here's the truth...

    Here is the actual up-to-date link to the Edmunds page on the current BMW 1-Series... This is what the page really says about the CURRENT 1-Series... Everyone can see for themselves.

    Edmunds.com is currently in the process of reviewing the 2008 BMW 1 Series. Please check back later for more up-to-date information.
    There are no Consumer Reviews for 2008 BMW 1 Series


    link title

    How's THAT for a reality check?

    TagMan
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    Again, CLASSIC cars from a German automaker. Very nice pics... I envy the lucky owner of that 2002.

    Hopefully, the "year one of the 1" will be as important.

    TagMan
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,953
    Are you through editing now? :) I believe I said that this was a two year old review of the European 1 series did I not? Basically the same car by the way.

    Gosh, what is your problem? Put those weapons down! Sorry if you were offended! I certainly did not mean for you to wig out! Wow, one little jab and you go off the deep end! Where is your sense of humor? :shades:

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460 2002 Tacoma 4x4

  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    Where is your sense of humor?

    LOL!! :D Right here where it always is!!

    :shades:

    TM
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    one little jab

    When I mentioned the Lexus vehicles are not destined to be classics, I was very surpised to see such an outburst.

    At least when you posted your admitted "jab" about the 1-Series, instead of getting besides myself, like you and louiswei did, I was quite able to supply lots of information that disagreed with you post. Can you supply ANY information from reputable sources that suggests the LS will somehow become a classic instead of just getting all wigged out and offended? I'm certainly willing to be open-minded here. :)

    TagMan
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