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2008 Cadillac CTS

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  • I know, we later found out it was NOT correct, even though it was still quoted to us as an option without the Y44 option.
  • merckxmerckx Posts: 565
    has anyone had a chance to drive a manual CTS? All the magazines have critized the shift/clutch feel. Everyone also seems to think the automatic is truly superlative;I do enjoy driving a manual,though.
  • plektoplekto Posts: 3,738
    Basically, it has a on/off feel like a proper high performance clutch should have.

    The yuppie reviewers should go back to testing their Civics and Hyundais.

    If it can be driven around the Nurenburg Ring at 100+ mph, it's just fine. Yes, this means GM has built a proper, no-holds-barred sports sedan. I bet a lot of A6/G35/5 buyers will take a second look.
  • I test drove a black 304 hp CTS with
    Premium Luxury Collection (Mfr Code PDQ) $8,165.00
    18” All-Season Tire Performance Package A (Mfr Code Y42) $1,740.00
    18" Polished Aluminum Wheels (Mfr Code P63) $750.00
    Total options $10,655.00
    The MSRP was around $46K.
    The car looks elegant and was very responsive, it has more features and power than my E320, the back seat has plenty of room for my two 6 ft sons, but the sunroof is a joke, I didn’t believe how cheap is the flapping canvas material; I can see and feel the whole sun, shining on the top of my head. Another CTS was inside the dealer showroom with a sunroof, I could even see the neon light though it.
    I asked the dealer if he can get me a similar car without the sunroof, he said it’s impossible to get a top of the line CTS without the sunroof, unless I’m willing to fill a special order request which I refused to do. I gave the dealer my email address and told him to contact me whenever he gets similar CTS without a sunroof so we can make a deal.
    I did my home work and I found out that I can have loaded CTS without the sunroof if I select different options, with all the features in the Premium Luxury Collection package, and the 18” All-Season Tire Performance, but I can’t have the Polished Aluminum Wheels if I choose PDR, Y40, Y41, UAV, B19, B20 as an alternative.
    Otherwise it’ll cost me almost the same without the sunroof and without the polish wheels since I didn’t choose PDQ bundled package + Y42, I also have to wait 6 to 8 weeks for the special order.
    I think Cadillac will lose some serious buyers who care about top quality unless they take care of that problem.
  • Just bought a new '08 CTS, ebony exterior and interior, FE2, AWD and all options except spare tire, paid $44.8k, which i'm told is about $1k over invoice (not including holdback, etc).
  • Karen_CMKaren_CM Posts: 5,016
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  • plektoplekto Posts: 3,738
    The other thing that irks me is that to get the split/fold fear seat, you need to order leather.

    But the sunroof - yes, it's the biggest joke I've seen in years. Just roll the "blind" back and deal with it. Oh - I saw one without a sunroof yesterday. As I suspected, the roof was about two inches higher inside - much more open feeling.

    It's critical, actually. In order to properly see the hood when you drive, you need to have the seat up pretty high. With the sunroof, you're an inch from hitting your head. Without, there's enough space to get the seat up high enough and not hit your head.

    Trust me - order it special - just don't get the terrarium option.
  • puckspucks Posts: 47
    The sunroof is the biggest joke you've seen in years? Huh?

    So you get a more open feeling from a closed in roof vs a roof that has 70% sunlight available?

    I've sat in both and the headspace is incredible. I'm 6-2 and had at least 3 inches to spare.

    If you need to sit up so high maybe you should be looking at an SUV, not a sports sedan
  • I think the sunroof, itself, is fine. It is the "gauze" interior cover that seems out of place.

    And, for some, the issue is you can't de-select it without some $ penalty.
  • Does any sort of compass come standard on the '08 CTS, such as one built into the rearview mirror? I don't see any mention of one in any of the standard features or optional packages. Surely you don't have to get the navigation package in order to find out what direction you're going.
  • mick1mick1 Posts: 84
    Please look for a different car. In my humble opinion, you're not a person worthy of a new cadi. The CTS is stiff competion for the new Mercedes C350 which i checked out the other day. Give the Germans a shot.
  • Why in the world do you need to "properly see the hood"?

    I've driven the last 10 years without seeing the hood. If I need to see the hood I park the car and get out to check. So far it has not gone missing. I also find that I can quite well determine where the front of the car is without "seeing the hood". If you cannot judge where the ends of your car are please do not drive in my neighborhood.
  • Well, my dealership finally got product in the last several days and it was time to bring my SRX in for service anyway. I was very interested in this car...many of you regulars remember me owning a 2003 CTS LuxSport before trading it for the 2005 SRX when my wife and I had kids. Well a third kid is on the way which means the SRX's days are numbered (it just wasn't designed for constant use of the third row seat). But the CTS is all new and I couldn't pass up a chance to try it at my dealer.

    As many of you also know, my username here is nearly my height...I'm actually 6'11". The old CTS and SRX cabins fit me snuggly but comfortably....all things considered (no car truly has a perfect seating position for me and my 40" inseam legs). I've noticed in the last decade that fewer cars fit me well with the advent of sweeping cockpit style cabins. Those curvy lines and my knees generally don't mix. So I was more than worried about this with the new CTS interior.

    Well I'm here to tell you that the CTS's legroom is BETTER than the old car...significantly. I don't know if anyone at Cadillac was paying attention to me...maybe it was Bob Lutz since he's tall too. But the 2008 CTS's seating position is better for me than the outgoing vehicle. My knees still bow but at a better angle than before. I have enough room with my right knee to negotiate the pedals and keep away from the steering wheel. It's still not enough to manage a clutch on a regular basis for a stick shift, but it would be easier to handle than the previous car by far.

    There are two reasons for the improvement. First, the seat just goes back farther than the old seat...probably because the new thinner seats give them some more leeway. Of course, that only leaves room for small women or children sitting behind me, but hey, I DON'T CARE! The second reason is that a tilt AND telescoping steering column is standard now. Even the entry model tilts and telescopes manually...bravo Cadillac for getting this right for people who don't get the electric one in the Luxury package.
  • However, I can't praise the seating without one big gripe. First a small gripe...the seat is a little short but not enough to be annoying (I can make up for it in the tilt function). My biggest beef with the seats in the headrest. The old CTS (and SRX) headrests are smaller designs than the 2008 CTS, more cylindrical that adjust up/down AND fore/aft. It allowed for easy manipulation for a good fit, but I doubt the front/back adjustment was good in crash tests. The new design doesn't fore/aft adjustment and that would be fine...except the shape of the headrest is maddening. The new headrest is thicker at the bottom and tapers to the top, like a 3-D trapezoid. The thickness of the bottom means that it slightly thicker than seat back underneath it. For a normal sized driver, that thicker part is supposed to fit under the base of the head for proper support.

    But since I'm taller than most drivers, my torso meets this headrest right between my shoulders. And it's impossible to raise it up enough so that it meets the base of my skull as designed...I could use about another 1 1/2 inches of travel. At first, I thought this was a complete deal killer since I couldn't find a position comfortable that didn't shove the headrest between my shoulders and piss me off to no end. But after a lot of trying (aided by the lower headroom of the sunroof option), I finally found a position that worked. I but the seat back as far as I could, lowered it as much as I could, tilted it back as far as I could and adjusted the seat rake until my head fit underneath the headliner. That allowed the headrest to pointback and away from me enough that it wasn't touching my torso anymore, but was still within about an inch or so of my head in case of a rear end collision.

    Cadillac engineers: hear me out. Please go find any late model Volvo and study the headrest design carefully. Steal that design. You will make me (and a lot of us tall folk) very happy. If that's not possible, add another notch or two to the travel of the current headrest.

    The rest of the interior design generally makes me very happy. After looking at the same "PC Tower" design in my last two Cadillacs, I'm happy to see improvement across the board with the new design. My wife sat in the car later and really liked it too. Is the design completely original? Nope! But to me, if you had to steal from someone (and they did), Acura wasn't a bad place to do it. Most of the reviews of this interior have been favorable although I've seen some complaints of it looking cheap (I don't agree) and too much French stitching (again, I don't agree...nobody complained about that on the Audi TT).

    One interior gripe unique to me...the climate controls are no longer in one place but are split for the front seat passengers. There is a little OLED display for the temp, fan speed and seat heating/cooling on each side of the dash near your knee. That's fine for most people, but my bowing knees blocks the display (and the buttons for the controls). Well, my knees usually block something in almost all cars. Again, its a gripe.

    There are a lot of buttons about the CTS center console, but most seem to be intentially beveled and shaped to be different from one another...a nice touch. There is a rotating knob in the middle that doesn't do as much as some designs...and that's probably a good thing to keep it simple. I tried both the regular and Nav equipped models. The Nav system is a nice idea....I have seen other "pop-up"
    models that weren't as well executed. The UI seems to be well thought out...not Apple iPod friendly but better than most of its competitors. I don't know if it supports voice commands or not....Acura leads the pack in this.

    Bluetooth being dealer installed is inexcusable....this should get fixed at some point...hopefully it won't take all model year. I heard one of the dealer reps say that maybe GM was reluctant since they make money on OnStar phone minutes. If so, that's a very weak excuse. On a positive note, the Tivo-like radio functionality is a long time in coming for cars. The 40-gig hard drive helps here, but I'm wary putting hard drives in automotive applications. A flash drive will be better...in two years I suspect costs will be down to the point that this will be the norm. Hard drives fail...period.

    Now let's talk about the sunroof. There's been a lot of talk and griping about this design. Personally as an SRX owner, I see many design elements in this car. The most obvious (and controversial) is the sunroof screen. This non-rigid shade design is straight out of the SRX, so I'm used to it. The big difference is that they perforated the screen to allow some sun to continue to come inside. I'm not sure how much I like that since there may be some occasions where you don't want any light coming in through the roof. But I usually just kept the shade open in my last CTS and I suspect it will be the same for this car.
  • So what's the driving like? Well, I've recently driven the Acura RL and Infiniti M35. Both were wonderful drives and this CTS certainly rides with this crowd. I test drove the 3.6 DI engine with the sport package. The extra two inches of track makes the car well planted and stable. Although the car has more weight than the outgoing car, the new engine makes up for it...bottom line is that the car didn't seem as heavy as it really was. I'm sure the slower non-DI engine will bring me back to earth somewhat. Steering is on the light side...far lighter than the previous CTS and especially lighter than the 2003 LuxSport with its variable steering gear. It takes a little bit getting used to if you are a previous owner, but it's closer to the steering feel of the aformentioned competitors.

    The course we took didn't get me the twisties I would have liked but I did get a chance to do a couple of curves, one that due to cobblestones ended up being reigned in by Stabilitrack. The steering wheel is a tad smaller than the old one...a good design decision. The gauges were professional and easy to read. The parking brake is still on the floor though...is this a Sigma chassis issue or did Ed Wellburn not want to mess up his pretty dash with a handheld parking brake? Bottom line is that my limited experience driving was a pleasing one...check out the FE2 suspension if you have a chance.

    Speaking of Ed Wellburn, the styling of the new car is one of his better design efforts. The grill is in your face but textured and stylish...and they looked at every part of the front clip down to the pavement. The chrome engine vents on the side fenders look best in person. Also, there is a design element that I really like with these vents....there is a creased depression from the A-pillar leading to the vent. That same style creased depressed follows the rear windows and goes up the C-pillars....it's something I completely missed in the photography of this car but it gives the CTS more texture without the obvious creases of the slab sides of the outgoing car. This is the design the old STS should have been. Instead, that car is completely boring to look at. The CTS teases you with little details like this without being garish...there's a fine like between styling and garish...just check out the Pontiac Aztek concept vehicle versus the POS they put in production. Other details? The trademark tail lights flare rearward from the car a bit from the trunk lid, again giving texture to what would normally be a slab design. The fenders wheel openings flare gently (but powerfully) as opposed to the industrial curves of the older car. And the door handles are the electronic switch type of the STS versus the mechanical level of the old CTS and SRX (they look like the older style door handles but don't be fooled). And its almost impossible to talk about the new "light piping" in the daylight, so I won't.

    Truthfully I was going into my dealership not wanting to get my hopes up...thinking I was going to end up getting something else (like the aformentioned competitors). Now I'm all excited about this car again.

    Thank you Cadillac. This is a well done vehicle and it shows, inside and out.
  • Do you work for Cadillac? Just kidding. You give me real hope that the driver seat will be comfortable for a looong drive, and that my head won't touch the roof.
  • Nice pics on the site too!

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  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Forest Lakes, AZPosts: 3,285
    Thanks for the review, Richard.

    I've bloviated (at length) about never owning another American sports sedan after my abysmal experience with my Lincoln LS -- not the car, the company, especially the (mis)management.

    The extremely positive reports on the new CTS keep coming in, so I may need to reconsider. Yours carries considerably more weight, given your long history. Thanks again.

    Hope you're able to indulge in one of these if you're that way inclined. We'll look forward to future reviews and/or comments.
  • http://www.cadillac.com/allnewcts/

    You will see tons of video and pictures of the car--in and out.

    You can see Cadillac's official video channel here:

    http://www.youtube.com/user/MyCadillacStory
  • No, I don't work for Cadillac :-) but I do admit to having a fascination for the marque since I was a kid. The first Caddys I remember were my grandparents...my grandfather had a '74 Coupe Deville and then he bought my grandmother a '76 Fleetwood...that promptly broke it's rear axel leaving the parking lot of the dealership (true story!). She ended up taking a silver Sedan Deville off the same lot and this was the car she drove until she couldn't drive anymore. My mother's first Caddy was a '79 Seville (the Nova-mobile). Actually, that was a good car...I took that car to the prom.

    My first Caddy was my second car...a '80 Coupe Deville I got used and drove for a few years in college (shared with my brother). For the sake of trivia, my first car was an '80 Chevy Citation....now THAT was a POS car! Anyway, next car after the Deville was a '90 Mazda 626...that ended up throwing a timing belt and destroying the engine (dealer repair shop fault). After that I bought my mother's used '91 Sedan Deville that lasted until 2000 when it met an early end having tangled with a city bus (the Deville lost...no surprise there).

    With no car (but a new wife), I drove her car (a '94 Ford Escort) for two years not replacing the Deville (I traveled for a living anyway) but after a while, it got embarassing driving "Zippy the Wondercar". True story...my wife and I were celebrating our wedding anniversary and we drove to a nice restaurant in Buckhead (Atlanta) near where we lived then. Watching the valet watch me unfold out of the car was priceless...and embarassing. I mean, I should be rolling in something better than Zippy! Well after dinner we come out to the valet line and we were faced with 10 couples getting their vehicles. The valets return with BMWs, Mercedes, Land Rover...and then Zippy. I turn to my wife and say "Run for it!". Shortly thereafter, we buy the 2003 CTS LuxSport. After all, I got to roll in something better.

    Ironically, these days my wife drives the SRX and I drive a '94 Toyota Camry that I bought from a friend for the princely sum of $5. With the SRX soon to be sacrificed for a minivan, I might get an opportunity for a 2008 CTS sometime in the next year....we'll see.
  • I appreciate that you think my word on this issue has some merit, but in truth I'm probably not much different than the rest of you. I like Cadillac and its history but I try not to be as much as a fanboy these days since they have to earn my dollars like anyone else. I'm happy that with this car that GM seems to have largely addressed all the issues with the previous vehicle...and some of its sister cars along the way. The tranformation of Cadillac continues and it hasn't been a instant process...or successful on all fronts. The 2nd and 2rd gen Escalades do well but the STS and XLR come up short. Both cars show Cadillac is trying but were still hampered by preventable mistakes.

    I feel your pain with Lincoln. Ford really screwed the proverbial pooch with the brand having created goodwill with customers and the automotive press with the original LS and the Navigator. Then they squandered it by not improving their other products and letting the LS languish. No effort was made to upgrade Lincon dealers, most of which were (and still are) carrying Mercury as a subbrand. Ford has been trying to rectify some of that recently but where we they in the last 8 years? Unbelievable.
  • Introduction (some not altogether unrelated factoids)

    • One of our friends sells BMW’s – yet he drives an Audi. He tells us that his dealership sells 40%+ AWD BMW’s, because they can’t get any more than that.

    • Another friend, our salesperson since the 80’s sells Audis and drives one.

    • Our Audi dealer is owned by a Cadillac dealer and our Cadillac salesperson has been with the dealership for 14 years and says that for the past two years 90% of the Cadillac’s she sells are AWD and that she believes the NEW CTS will “kill” the STS until a new and improved STS is introduced.

    • I currently drive a 2005 Audi A6 (3.2) with every option except the sport suspension, but with the 18” 245 x 40 wheels and tires; it has about 44,000 miles on it. My monthly payment on the thing which MSRP’d at $53,286 is $640 and I put nothing down on a 36 month 45K mile lease (I added 3K miles to the lease a couple of months ago at $.16 per mile.)

    • My wife and I have test driven many cars that are considered here as ELLPS and LPS and CUV’s.

    • We have had 28 Audis, 2 BMW’s and 3 VW’s since 1977 (between us.)

    • We have been to 4 driver training schools in Germany (Audi), 1 in America (BMW), and several various “Car and Driver” events in SW Ohio.

    • I took a very nice, very long test drive of a new CTS 3.6 DI engine with about $12,000+ worth of options including the FE2 suspension, performance brakes, All Season 18” tires/wheels and AWD (over $48,000.) I drove into the dealer in my A6 tested the CTS and drove out again in my A6 (note: my A6 has “nearly new” tires and literally new brakes.

    • Last weekend, my wife and I tested, extensively a new Infiniti G35X with all options (about $40,000.)

    • The CTS tested was BLACK on BLACK – this made the car look small on the exterior, feel confining in the interior and overall would require a SERIOUS discount for it to even be considered (but, this is the most personal aspect of the entire experience.) I actually sat in a car that had a beige interior and it was not at all confining, FWIW.
  • Impressions of the CTS

    • Interior

    Perhaps only Audi, in virtually any class of car that “mere mortals” can afford, produces a better interior than in this new CTS – and, “for the money,” the CTS offers up perhaps the best rendition of the “ideal interior” of any other car in this (ELLPS) or in the next class up (LPS.) This is an aesthetic impression, however. The controls are BMW difficult to figure out – i.e., despite 30 months of living with Audi’s MMI and owning a 2005 vintage BMW, I could not (without looking in the manual) master the controls for the radio, HDD, navigation and climate control system – and, the voice recognition system was reminiscent of my 1987 Audi 5000 CS turbo quattro’s Motorola voice activated phone system. It was “state and repeat and repeat” to get the radio to change stations. Even the somewhat lame Audi system works about 98% of the time, first time. On*Star works great (Audi must use the same voice program for its Bluetooth system, since the Cadillac responded exactly as my Audi phone system.)

    No Bluetooth? Serious oversight. Confused the salesperson too, who said, “the STS has it, so it is unlikely we don’t know how to do it.”

    The view from either front seat is “expensive.” Slightly better than the Infiniti and, as noted, damn near as good as is offered in an Audi.

    Love the “stitched” dash. Love the feel of the switchgear – like expensive, high end audio equipment, in fact.

    The back seat legroom is “adequate” (a bit better than an A4 or a 3 series and even a smidge better than the Infiniti G35X) – frankly considering the wheelbase, I would not argue if someone commented it was “marginally adequate.” How come the A6 with a 111” wheelbase has more rear seat leg room?

    If the front seat accommodations can be likened to business class, well, the rear is certainly coach. Better than the outgoing CTS, but still an area that is simply, er, “not unacceptable.”

    Only the sunroof appears to be completely out of place, an afterthought, in this car – “cheesecloth” [or so it would seem] was the chosen fabric for the inner shield. “It lets 70% of the light through,” the salesperson gushed. Yet, she also said she couldn’t imagine this roof making it into the next model year. Do ya think?!? How it is that you can configure the car with all the options, minus the sunroof, and PAY more than a car with the premium lux pkg, which includes the roof is beyond me. I would expect a CREDIT for getting the roof, especially if I had kids or lived anywhere summer was a season.

    Finally, despite the overall goodness of the interior it has no front seat ceiling mounted “grab handles” like the Germans and most of the Japanese. I really missed it during spirited runs – this is a serious (and cheap) omission. I would attempt to find custom grab handles and have them mounted.

    The elevator screen – I did not hate it, but it would be a mistake to say that it is “cool.” It is cool that it can move up and down, but when it is up it breaks up the otherwise beautifully sculpted dash. I would rather have seen a permanent screen built into the dash – the thing looks like an “up periscope” when it is in “full business” mode. I would deduct for this, despite the fact that folks under the age of 16 will probably love it months after the initial sizzle wanes.

    The sound system, especially on XM is, as you would expect, wonderful – the Audi B&O system is better, as is the BMW high-zoot system, but they cost more. I could live with the Cadillac audio experience for a long time. The HDD capability is pretty cool, like TIVO for your car’s audio.

    Summary: overall I like the interior, a lot. The controls, however, are not as intuitive as the Audi MMI system or the Infiniti system (especially the Infiniti system’s voice commands) and it is not as attractive as even the BMW iDrive system – the Cadillac seems a mite busy. The Infiniti system might be the best hybrid system out there – surprise!
  • • Exterior

    The new CTS is, to my eye, gorgeous – maybe, just maybe, the DI equipped car (black) had a drop or two, too much, of bling (chrome accents), but like so much of this aspect, everything literally is in the eye of the beholder. The car is handsome from any angle and the fit and finish are impressive. The wheels (bright on this fully optioned car) were fine – the limited choice of wheels, I’m sure, will be short lived. Were one to buy this new CTS on looks alone – well, I think that wouldn’t be a sin. Beautiful to behold in person (even in black.) The white diamond and new ruby red pearl looking paint are “an 11” on a scale of 1-10.
  • • Driving

    Read Automobile, Car & Driver, Motor Trend, Road & Track, USA Today, The New York Times, Forbes and as many blogs as you can find. Generally speaking, the reviews of the car from behind the wheel are all pretty to very, very positive. Some of the reviews gush. I would have to say this is “the best Cadillac ever.” But, I’ve never driven the Supercharged STS-V (I have driven the outgoing CTS-V and this 3.6DI, although certainly not as powerful, was more satisfying), so maybe I don’t have a full appreciation of what the “art and science” have been up to the last few years.

    The CTS engine and transmission are like a great couple dancing (of the kind where people actually touch each other.) Smooth and precise? There aren’t enough “o’s” in smooth to do this pair justice. At full cry the engine is very pleasing and right at the point where one more RPM would perhaps make the cry cross the line to a rasp, the transmission up shifts and the sweet swelling scream starts all over again. In classical music terms, the new engine reminds me of Bolero; in more contemporary terms, the sound from under hood is like the last half of Tubular Bells as we await the exclamation “and Tubular Bells!”

    Brakes – I’d give these performance brakes an A- only (probably) because the car had about 247 miles on it and they seemed to require a tad too much travel (than I’m used to, your situation may differ, of course.) I assume this would get better within a few more miles.

    Our tester, as noted, as the AWD all optioned and FE2 suspension (called the sport suspension) equipped model. It had 50 series, 235 x 18 tires and wheels (all seasons but either HP or UHP Mich brand.) Of the “things” that can even remotely be called disappointments, this suspension convinced me that the base suspension must be darn near dangerous and that it is a pity that the FE3 calibration is not offered on the AWD models. Why? I drove my A6 standard suspension to the dealer on two Cincinnati Interstate routes, I-71 and I-275. Years of frost heaves, pot hole repairs and other ravages of time give these surfaces a feel not unlike a mild roller coaster. Needed to drive on these at speed and with confidence – a well damped controlled and firm (yet compliant) suspension and tire wheel “kit.” The Cadillac goes over a rise with aplomb, returns well controlled and damn if it doesn’t “cycle” (float or bob up and down ONCE more when both my Audi and my wife’s BMW simply regains composure and is ready for the next one.)

    The Cadillac is comfortable and I was not in fear of losing control (I never went above 85MPH during the freeway portion of our test.) Yet, the suspension was not up to even the 2005 A6’s comfort suspension’s capability. My wife’s X3 with the sport suspension is down right jarring, but it could never be accused of floating or bobbing uuuuppppp and dowwwwnnn after cresting a frost-heave on I-275.

    Of course we took it on some twisty roads and into some familiar corners (15MPH marked) at triple the posted speed – a little bit of plow, but the understeer was minimal, dare I say almost BMW like. I do dare. But even coming out of this corner, there was that damn “suspension cycle” as if the springs and shocks were doing all they could to “recover gracefully” – not resume a sporty demeanor. I even got out and checked the window sticker to make sure the thing had the sport suspension. I could hardly believe it.

    Most of the glowing behind the wheel reports about the CTS do seem to have come from folks who drove the FE3 equipped version. If you drive the CTS FE2 equipped version back to back with an Audi, BMW or even an Infiniti, well you may notice this – if you come from some other approach, you may find the FE2 suits you just fine.

    Recap

    Almost all goodness. Too much goodness to repeat, this thing is a winner in almost every way.

    The oversights:

    1. No factory Bluetooth
    2. No OMG front driver and/or passenger ceiling mounted grab handles
    3. Foot operated parking brake
    4. Cheap sunroof (the inner sunroof panel) and no economical way NOT to get one with this
    5. Floaty suspension (sport?) – but this one I think I could overlook (I’d get used to it.)
    6. If it is discounted (to make it a “bargain”), it may bite into some A6, 5 series and M35 sales since it seems more like the LPS cars, today, than the ELLPS cars it is priced against (mostly.)
    7. It will bite into STS sales – if it doesn’t it is because Cadillac will improve the STS to differentiate it from the CTS. Today, there would be little motivation to spend the extra dough on the STS.

    Frankly, if they cure the cheap sunroof and add Bluetooth, all is forgiven, sign me up – I’ll just hold onto the steering wheel and grin. :surprise: :shades:
  • "Frankly, if they cure the cheap sunroof and add Bluetooth, all is forgiven, sign me up – I’ll just hold onto the steering wheel and grin"

    markcincinnati,

    Kudos! Sign me up too.
  • snagssnags Posts: 27
    I looked at the CTS and is certainly good looking in pearl white.

    It seems as though there are mixed reviews relative to some of the things included and not included.

    The sun roof covering seems to an issue as well as lack of bluetooth.

    Also the ride gets different write ups from different people.

    I like the car but am beginning to think the new MB c class may be a better value. Any comments?
  • Compare the 2008 C300 4MATIC, the G35X and the CTS4 3.6DI.

    Equip them similarly (which is difficult, considering that the Mercedes will have 228HP and a 108" wheelbase, making it the runt of the bunch):

    MB=$48,900
    Infiniti=$41,000
    Cadillac=$48,300

    For brand or for image, it is hard to argue that the new C class is anything but a very nice car. It is not very spirited, however.

    For the most BMW like experience behind the wheel and "the best" and most technology, the new G35X with all options and the new for '08 sport package can't be beat. It also has a longer wheelbase than the MB.

    For the best take on American Luxury Sport -- perhaps ever -- the CTS would be your choice. It has a "few" glaring oversights that one would imagine will be rectified in less than one year.

    The G35X can be had in Pearl White and the thing drives the best of the three. It, to my eye, looks, er, "less substantial, perhaps less expensive (perhaps)" than the other two. But it is nearly $8K less and has over 300HP and it drives very very German-like (more, to me, than does the CTS.)

    The CTS, for the moment is just so good looking (again, to my eye) and "if" they add bluetooth and "fix" the tacky sunroof and offer up an agressive lease program (which they almost certainly will), it is "just right."

    Driving the Infiniti, however, is an eye opener -- it is the Japanese BMW "4 series" if you asked me.

    :confuse:

    Drive it like you live.
  • I'm entering the negotiation stage at my dealership and I want to find out what others are actually paying for their 08 CTS. Does anyone know of an organized list containing this information? I would also like to know the dealer incentives, residual values, kickbacks, etc.... What is the best source of this information?
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