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Sorry for the delay, I responded to this a while ago but something crashed along the way.
I finally found the code under the spare tire cover. I almost missed it as the sticker is a very similar color to the cover.
The paint is correct - GM WA 417P Kelava Gray is the same a Thunder Gray.......
Thanks again. I checked the site for the moldings and they look nice and are a great price. I asked them about color matched moldings for my '07 Grand Cherokee but they said no - they only make them for cars that come without molding from the factory.
Matt
I've been lurking and reading the discussions here for a couple weeks and have learned a lot. I'm presently getting ready to replace my 04 Audi A6Q, and I'm seriously considering a CTS AWD. I'm down to chosing between the Caddy and the G35x (awd). I took a CTS for a 2 day test drive a week ago, and am doing the same with the G35 tomorrow. I have a couple CTS specific questions that I'm hoping you'll be able to answer. I'm looking at the DI Engine, AWD (MX7), Perf Collection (PDR), Bose/HD/USB connectivity (U2S).
1. I've seen a lot of debate about the rear seat room, specifically the height of the seat from the floor pan. Does anyone have an actual measurement? I didn't notice it being a problem when I had the car, but I didn't spend much time in the back. The car will occasionally have 4 people in it, 3 of them above six feet tall and long legged.
2. Related to #1 above, I'm hoping to gain some headroom by not getting a sunroof. The salesperson thinks, but is not sure, that I'll gain headroom with a sunroof delete, but I'll have to order a car. Does anyone know for sure? I'd hate to commit and order one and get an unpleasant surprise.
3. I like the Easy Key and Homelink that's part of the Luxury Level II package (Y41). I absolutely don't want the Premium Collection (PDQ) that includes Y41, and I don't want to get the Lux Level I (Y40) that comes with Lux Level II as part of PDW. The dealer seems confused about whether I can just get Lux Level II with the packages I mention above. Has anyone done this?
4. Re: pausing and rewinding live radio. If I'm surfing and hit an XM channel that's the middle of a song I like, can I rewind to the beginning (stuff I didn't hear), or can I only rewind what I have already heard?
5. Just amazed at no bluetooth phone pairing in a car of this class. The dealer mentioned a dealer installed option, probably aftermarket. Anyone have any experience?
Thanks!
I’ve read many complaints in various message boards about the translucent sunroof and I thought Cadillac will do something about it sooner rather than later, the Dealer also said that he wish Cadillac would be more flexible so he won’t lose my deal or somebody else’s for that matter.
I’m not in a hurry for a new car; but I’ll definitely not buy it unless they fix the translucent sunroof, and it will be nice if they also add the Bluetooth option. I’ll wait for 2009 Model; otherwise I’ll look elsewhere.
Currently some common item (?) in PDQ & PDW is not available. By the way, the spare tire is currently unavailable, too.
According to my dealer, back in December 07, in order to have Primary Luxury Collection without the sunroof I’ll have to order Codes Y40, Y41, PDR and U2S (no navigation) and there is no other way around it. He said that I CAN NOT have the PDQ and Delete the Sunroof. I’m sure since then many things has been changed.
I did some research and I came up with the “Online Order / Reference Guide”
http://eogld.ecomm.gm.com/dmdindex.htm
According to the Reference Guide only 2007 CTSV has a code CFN (Sunroof, Delete) but I didn’t find “R6G” sunroof delete under the 2008 Model.
Please advise me for the website that shows code R6G (sunroof delete).
Thanks for the insight.
I rechecked the paperwork I have for my own order, which was placed on 2/29/07, and it uses the code CFN (sunroof not desired) for my 2008 CTS, Model 6DP69 3.6L V6 DI.
Sorry if I provided obsolete information.
Updates for 2008 CTS
Week of 4/7/2008
Effective 4/7/2008, the following changes will be made to the Vehicle Order Guide:
• Color and Trim section-Exterior color (67U) Light Platinum, added footnote #2 "No longer available for ordering.".
I don't think that they completely deleted the light platinum; I believe what they meant they‘re no longer accepting special order for that color starting 4/7/08.
http://eogld.ecomm.gm.com/dmdindex.htm
It is not complete. :confuse:
I sat in a G35 at a car show in February. Rear seat room was terrible--even worse than the 328 as I recall, though I didn't get my foot stuck in the footwell as with that car. The sunroof will steal some headroom front & rear, which was my problem with the CTS back seat. Legroom was ok, the smaller (compared to 07), curved seatback helped actual and visual kneeroom, don't remember noticing that it was too close to the floor.
Equipment Groups: PDQ CTS Premium Collection, includes:
(Y40) Luxury Level One Package,
(Y41) Luxury Level Two Package,
(Y42) 18" (45.7 cm) All-Season Tire Performance Package,
(Y44) Seating Package,
(UAV) audio system with navigation,
(C3U) Ultra View sunroof,
(B19) Wood Trim Package,
(B20) Wood Trim Package and
(P63) 18" x 8" (45.7 cm x20.3 cm) aluminum wheels with high-polished finish
This is what I want with the exception of the cheesecloth sunroof cover. But GM message is, IF YOU DON’T LIKE TO BAKE YOUR HEAD in sunny California, Nevada, Florida .etc, GO TAKE A HIKE.
I was hoping that in 2009 CTS GM will either add a traditional Sunroof, or allow their best paying customers to buy a car without the undesirable sunroof design. It’s very bad decision from GM.
GM! You lost it, and you’re about to lose me too, along with the high percentage of your big spending customers who accept nothing but every option you offer, and they also wish to have their head fully covered from the sun when they don’t need it..
Thanks in advance.
I ended up ordering the CTS today. The legroom tightness in the back of the g35x was a deciding factor, although it seems like it had more headroom back there than the CTS (even without the sunroof in the CTS).
LMS
I challenge you (anyone) to try to buy an Acura, Audi, BMW, Infiniti, Lexus, Mercedes or other non-american luxury car without a sunroof.
The CTS I ordered (without sunroof) on 2/29/08 has not been built yet, but I am clinging to the hope that GM will build it.
"Changes
Repackaging created (implemented 4th quarter of 2008 model year) "
I have not seen an explanation of exactly what that means - but perhaps GM \ Caddy has heard some of us complain...
- Ray
Did not buy a V8 STS largely due to option packages & individual option availability issues...
One of the things I DON'T like about my CTS Nav system is the fact that while you're driving, and hit "nearby POI's", it gives you a very limited number, and you can't scroll down too far. However, once you stop, it offers POI's out the wazoo.
I remember reading a post that had a link to aftermarket software you can install that would allow you to manipulate nav system and info while the car is moving. If I recall, it also lets you watch DVD's while driving, (though I have no intention of doing that.) Does anybody have that link? Anybody try that software? Do you think installing it voids any warranties as well?
Thanks!
I had hoped for the addition of a rear view camera to be available with navigation, and possibly a change to the sun roof screen, also the possibility of power folding mirrors and automatic cruise control, but it appears that they are not to be for this year.
I had to drive about 35 miles away from where I live to see different Cadillac Dealer. The salesman was very helpful and told me that he thinks he might locate a CTS built with PDQ (luxury collection) without the sunroof, but I doubt it. He also said that I wasn’t the first one to complaint from the sunroof screen and the Cadillac representative is aware of the problem; adding “knowing Cadillac, from past experience, they don’t react as fast as they should”. He also assured me that Blue Tooth will be no problem in future CTS.
I have sunroof in my Lexus along with every car I’ve owned/leased for the last 15 years; never had problem with sunroof and never complaint from it; matter of fact I love it. I just don’t understand what Cadillac had in mind when they designed a controversial sunroof that can not properly cover it.
In September 2007, I went with my dad to buy his new 08 CTS, and that was suppose to be his fifth or sixth Cadillac, he ends up buying a Mercedes E350 just because of the translucent sunshade; it’s simply not acceptable.
As to my speculations as to the options I hoped would be added for '09, they were based on some observations and my own personal hopes. I held out buying an '08 based on those hopes and observations.
As to the backup camera, one of the engineers on the Caddy blog said I should 'stay tuned' when I asked about the camera, but it was not to be. The hope for power folding mirrors was based on the presence of an extra switch on the mirror control panel below the mirror switch in the photo of the black interior in the '08 brochure. I thought Cadillac would respond to the complaints of the translucent sun roof shade but they have not. The other items where pure speculation based on options on other similar priced cars.
I hope your father enjoys his Mercedes, but I will stick with the CTS.
Bluetooth is pretty standard is most luxury cars and some nonluxury cars. It is a wireless radio technology that allows your mobile (if it has bluetooth built in- most recent phones do) to communicate with your car's bluetooth system. A car microphone picks up your voice and transmits it to your mobile. People speaking with you are routed through your car speakers. The tech is not perfect- pairing is sometimes problematic, sometimes mobile's contact will not be downloaded by car's bluetooth. But when it works, it is really good and removes the need for a bluetooth headphone or earbud. I don't use a bluetooth headphone but a good car system should be clearer and eliminate the need to fumble around for the earbud.
Hope this helps.
I hope the cts offers bluetooth. I am still deciding on my next car when my Inifini m35x lease is up.
Add-on Bluetooth kits are available but I'm not a fan of customizing a brand new vehicle. Alternatively, buy a $100 Bluetooth earpiece and live with the inconvenience.
(That being said, I love my CTS and will live without Bluetooth for now.)
According to Edmunds.com the average loaded CTS is sold about $1,000 above invoice, and according to Costco their negotiated prices should be better than the average price at Edmunds.
My question is how much did you pay "ladies and gentlemen" above invoice? Excluding incentive, GM card pay back, Employee/Supplier discount etc.
Your input is really appreciated
I really like the 2008 CTS, especially the RED color. I have sat in one but did not drive it due to the tiny rear window. I am only 5'6" tall and my mother is much shorter than I am. When I drive, I never use the outside mirrors. I turn and check to my left or right. Will the design of the rear of the CTS give me any visibility to the left or right when I turn to look or will the headrests and rear pillars block my view?? If there's no visibility to the rear, I'll forget the CTS and move on.
All comments appreciated. We really need new wheels and I want a sporty type vehicle. The CTS is about the only American car that I would consider at this time. Thanks to all.
I still plan to check out the 2008 CTS further. I really like the car and it has received positive reviews. One knock on the CTS is "rear visibility." I guess I'll see for myself if I drive the vehicle.
Buick makes no such cars.
If she doesn't mind going a bit larger, though, there is a good alternative, though. Get her a 2007 or 2008 Certified Lacrosse CXS. This car has several things going for it:
1:The 3.6VVT engine is from the CTS. It's geared, though, for low-end torque instead of high-end HP. As a result, it's *faster* than a base CTS around town, since the torque jumps to nearly maximum(looks like a flat line almost) at about 1600rpm. Far below that of the CTS. It has zero lag as a result. So it feels very eager and fast, like the CTS. It also can, as a result, pass quickly in overdrive without having to drop down a gear. It feels like the world's smallest V8 instead of a V6 the way they've set it up.
Their change to the 3.9 is because they need the 3.6 engines for the CTS, which brings me to point #2.
2: It's a front wheel drive CTS with a Buick badge on it, and it costs a LOT less. GM makes less profit off of it than the CTS, which is why their limited 3.6VVT production is going there from no on. The 3.9 is a revamped 3.8 and drives like it. laggy, hunting for gears, throttle lag... it's a joke compared to the 3.6. The Super is really an overblown version of the same nonsense. Why pay premium money for the latest bling when you can get a CTS mechanically, or close to it, for less money?
3:It has the same suspension as well as the first generation CTS. It's a massive improvement over the typical slush and wobble that Buicks normally have. I drove a normal LaCrosse and this back to back and it was like someone turned the "suck" switch off and it transformed from a toad to a little tiger. It really is a drastic change.
Note - the Lucerne CXS is also a similar eye-opener. It reminded me of a late 90s S420. Like no Buick I've ever driven. Big, solid, powerful, and tight.
4:It's family and older person friendly. Good interior, nice seating, and exactly what most people in their 50s and 60s want. It's also easy to see out of the rear. The optional bench seat up front opens up the front to where it feels much roomier inside as well - almost like a slightly smaller Lucerne. My mom was impressed. It also can be had in a nice light leather interior, unlike the G6(black leather only).
5:It's inexpensive. As I mentioned, a one year old certified version can be had for well under $20K now. With the remainder of the recent 5 year/100K mile warranty.
6:The transmission is the venerable 4 speed GM. This is actually a GOOD thing. First off, these are a whopping $1600-$1800 to fix compared to $3500+ for a Camry. No joke. Price a CTS transmission rebuild versus a Camry or most anything else with 5-6 gears in it. $3500-$4500. Ouch.
The 4 speed is exactly right for a car with loads of low rpm torque like the Lacrosse CXS and the Lucerne CXS, because they need to shift less often. You get a smooth ride and the thing has the torque to muscle its way to the next gear.
GM's mistake was mating it in the original designs with the 3.8 and 3.9, which is a typical pushrod design made to get good EPA ratings and as a result deliver maximum power at 4800rpm or so. So it developed closer to 120lb-ft of torque and maybe 130hp driving around town. Got great gas mileage, but drove like a turd. It needed more gears, since it was programmed to shift at about 2500rpm unless you floored it. The gearing was also so high, that to do this, you needed to keep it manually in 2nd until about 50mph to reach maximum HP. 3rd maxxed at almost 90mph, and overdrive was impossible - well over the design limits for the car(130 or so). This wasn't red line, either - just where you managed to get the listed HP!.
First gear maxxed out at 25mph, leaving a suspicious hole between first and second, which is why it was such a turd around town. The thing sounded like it would explode at 25mph and then boom - 230HP to 130HP at 30mph and then a long climb up to maximum again. And the torque converter locking up if you let off for an instant at any speed over 35mph didn't help, either. I know the 3.8 well - I lived with four of them through the 80s and 90s. But the 4 speed IS a very reliable and bulletproof transmission. Just they stuck it on everything when it was made designed to work with V8s.
The CXS, though, is like an old 60s V8. Less gears is fine(and less money to maintain/fix) because it has no lag down low. You blip the throttle 1/5th the way down and you're at maximum torque instantly. Mile high gearing works well in this case. And it's why old V8s did fine with 3 speed automatics - with 400hp+ on tap, there wasn't any situation where it lacked for power. Plus, the 3.6 is a very smooth and refined engine.
***whew***
The only other car that I would recommend would be an IS300. The IS350 is overkill and the 250 is underkill - it's worse than a typical Camry V6. The IS300 had a better engine, handles a bit better since it's 200lbs lighter, and a certified version is quite inexpensive. And you can see out of the back, unlike the new IS. It is the only Toyota I ever drove that reminded me of a Volvo or BMW from the 90s. Completely European sport sedan feel - but with some luxury as well.
The paddle shifters plus the I-6 and RWD made for a very good car.
P.S.
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=240623087
A typical example of a LaCrosse CXS.
I ended up ordering my CTS and was quoted a price of $300 over invoice. My car had an MSRP of $37,640 at the time I ordered it. It has gone up $500 now. I just picked it up Saturday and paid $35,321. This was almost $1,000 below both Supplier Price and Edmunds TMV. I think I got a very good deal. Please, don't anyone burst my bubble!
if the car has not been picked up yet from dealer allocation...it may not be built in 08MY..my understanding was the last day to order was last Fri....thus the dealer will have to resubmit your order for an 09 ...since they dont care over from one MY to the next
Cadillac's business plan seems to be, "spend a lot of money on ads, but pay no attention to actual customers." Strange way to run a business.
KB7
NEW! Steering wheel mounted Paddle Shift Controls
1 - Included and only available in (Y43) 18" (45.7 cm)
Summer Tire Performance Package and (MX0) 6-speed
automatic transmission.
Have you been back to the dealer for scheduled maintenance? If so, did you ask for "your" mechanic?
What do you like about the CTS and don't like about it? I have test driven a non-DI version with AWD and the standard (FE1) suspension. If I order one, it will be a MY09 with the DI engine, AWD and FE2 suspension. I am wondering how the reliability and quality with be over time. I know that it difficult to project 2-5 years from now but perhaps the there is usually some indication based on the 1st year of ownership. Also, do you find the CTS, with the DI engine, to have enough power?
Regards,
NHman
Honestly, the base engine has enough scoot.
The only issue the cars's had so far was a wiring ground problem. What was good about the problem was that Caddy had a service advisory out for this issue. That means that they were monitoring their production and made a change to their process.
The car is a hoot to drive, and I'm in love with the interior. I've no rattles or squeaks, and FE2 suspension really holds the road nicely. I only wish it cleaned itself. I didn't care for the sunshade cover so I didn't order it. The nav screen looks great, but I have doubts about it's usefullness (and it's a little bit redundant with Onstar turn-by-turn directions) so I didn't order it either.
For long term reliability, Caddy makes a good product. Checkout any of the various 'consumer' reports and you'll see that it's so. I'm confident enough with this car that I'm not looking in the 2~5 year period. I'm looking at the 10-12 year period, and the vehicle is inspiring me to think it'll be there.
Having said that I do have to admit that I expect some of the fancy electronics (hard drive, for example) will likely have to be replaced in that 10 year period.
-Brian
"Effective 4/21/2008, the following changes will be made to the Vehicle Order Guide:
* All sections-Ordering for CTS-V model 6DN69 has been delayed until September, 2008. Temporarily deleted all reference to CTS-V from the Order Guide."