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2008 Cadillac CTS

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  • puckspucks Posts: 47
    Those are the optional 18 inch wheels. 17 inch is standard, but has a 7 spoke design, not 9.
  • 14871487 Posts: 2,407
    PLease do not turn this into a Lexus vs Cadillac thing. I do not care about the IS350 in any way, shape or form. It is an excellent car in terms of performance but it's not pretty, it's pricey and it's too small. I like the interior though. If the CTS is cheaper or even priced equivalently to the IS I would get the CTS without a doubt.

    Lexus is #1 and that has nothing to do with styling. On the contrary, its obvious most lexus owners do not consider styling to be important when they look for a car. Lexus is #1 because the RX has been such a hit and no other luxury SUV comes close to its sales. The current IS is FINALLY making headway in this segment because the last gen was a flop. The GS is a slow seller as is the SC and the LS isnt a volume car. Lexus' success is all about the ES and RX and I don't want either vehicle although they are fine for those who want a quiet ride and mediocre handling. Lexus is a very successful luxury brand that appeals to older customers much like the old Cadillac did. The IS and RX are the only products Lexus makes that seem to attract people under 55 and that is great now, but Cadillac was in the same position 15 years ago and look what happened.

    GM's designs are better than ever but I disagree with the notion that they havent made any decent vehicles until a couple years back. The STS, Intrigue, Arora, Alero, Deville/DTS, Corvette, Park Ave, Bonneville SSE/GXP etc. do not qualify as junk to me. GM is getting better but the idea that the CTS is the first competent car in GM history is a gross exaggeration.
  • ggesqggesq Posts: 701
    You wanna know what else is a gross exaggeration? I'll give you an example:

    "Lexus is #1 and that has nothing to do with styling. On the contrary, its obvious most lexus owners do not consider styling to be important when they look for a car."
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,830
    And, in any case, we're not talking about Lexus here. We're talking about the Cadillac CTS. Seems fair enough, given the discussion title.

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  • piasonpiason Posts: 55
    ggesq - I think you are lost so here's a link to the Lexus forum -->
    http://www.carspace.com/csItemGroups/section.makes/item.Lexus :surprise:
  • No. All the show cars had 19-inchers on them. As you can see on the sidewalls:

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  • Any word on whether the 19's will be an available production option? I've only seen the articles mention 18's. If not, makes me wonder how much of the glorious new interior will make it to market in the fall.
  • maxhonda99maxhonda99 Posts: 1,289
    "Here we go again... Boy, do people have short memories. Does anyone remember the original G35 interior, first gen IS300's interior, or any generation C-class interior? Let's not pretend that the competition has been all it was cracked up to be in the press. While I didn't like the design on the old CTS interior the quality in my opinion was equal if not better than the G35's interior."

    Who's talking about the G35 interior?? You're right it was as POS interior just like the IS300's and first CTS's. But now you're saying at C-class interior is junk? That's just plain stupid.
  • 17 or 18 inches. Both will be available.

    A tire is a tire. Put your own 19s on if you want. You can always change a tire. It's a show car, and show cars always have large tires, because they look better. I don't see why they would change the interior. This is the production car. It is not a "concept".
  • ggesqggesq Posts: 701
    Thanks for your direction.

    Keep up the good work in here.... :surprise: :confuse:
  • thebugthebug Posts: 294
    That's a good point. I hope it's not the case though.

    thebug...
  • albookalbook Posts: 1,282
    But now you're saying at C-class interior is junk? That's just plain stupid.

    I think what he should have said is the previous C-class interiors were junk. Hands down! Seriously, the Cts has been able to perform well with compettion. The previous CTS-V beat out the old M5. If that's not competing-bottom line is THAT'S COMPETING!
  • As some of you know, I used to own a 2003 CTS LuxSport before trading it for the 2005 SRX I own now. (kids happen). I've waited to let the pictures, comments and press releases digest before I chimed in. So here goes.

    Exterior: The previous car was pretty radical...very in your face. You either liked it or you didn't and Cadillac stuck its neck out on the line that it would find buyers. It not only found an audience but by all accounts exceeded expectations and raised sales targets. The new body seems to have the refinement Cadillac was looking for without the blandness of the STS effort (the STS has always looked unfinished to me).

    I like the new larger grill and I can't wait for the SRX to finally get it since I always thought the SRX's shielf grill was a bit too small (same comment applies to the XLR). The could care less about the side vent but at least Cadillac is trying to be consistent with the Sixteen design cues and if they had to do it, they choose a nice shape and place to put it. And it actually works!

    The rear isn't as bland as some of the mock up rear ends we saw on the 60 minutes piece, and that's a good thing. The rear is indeed reminiscent of the old Eldorado ETC, and that's not a bad thing since the rear was the best part of that car. The trunk line still comes into the C-pillar with the same sharp line that the old CTS did, which keeps the theme that this indeed is a CTS.

    Interior: The most maligned part of the old car finally looks like it's ready to play ball. Ironically enough, the old interior did win some design awards, but I think it was mainly that an automaker actually went with a contrary design in a production vehicle for a change. But inexplicably they stuck the old CTS interior into the SRX for the first three years of its life...what were they thinking other than cost?

    The new interior looks like it wasn't designed by GM....not a bad thing in the least. I'm concerned (as always) that my legs and knees won't be able to fit in this vehicle like the previous one, but I can only find that out when it shows up at the dealers (or the nearest auto show). The STS can't fit me so I'm concerned for this car.

    I'm personally unsure of the popup Nav system. That style of Nav seemed to be all the rage some years ago but I think a lot of manufacturers moved away from it and to large screens operating full time. We'll have to see how this new one performs.

    Otherwise the design looks really cool. I'm praying that they didn't cheap out and put ugly hard plastics in interior places where you may not notice at first. This is a big problem in the Escalade which has nice stuff at eye level but cheap stuff at foot level (especially on the doors).

    Engine and powertrain: 300 HP is necessary to play in this game, especially with like power from BMW, Mercedes, Lexus, Infiniti, Acura, etc. The choice of an entry level engine is good. Since we all know that a CTS-V will arrive eventually in the 500-600 HP range, one hole in the product is a V8 engine in the 400 HP range. Since there will be a new Northstar replacement in 2009 and the new CTS is a tad wider than the old car, I wouldn't be surprised if a non-V-series 8 cylindar engine is made an option later on. The new 6 speed tranny is welcome, but I hope that its added width doesn't impede on the driver's foot well like it does on the STS. Disappointing is the foot operated parking brake. People have been critizing this in the last car and I'm not sure why this "feature" was repeated.

    Overall, I'm initially impressed by the effort. I'm looking forward to sitting in it and driving one later this year.
  • Its is an integral part of the design as explained in this video:
    http://www.motortrend.com/av/autoshow/detroit/112_0701_2007_detroit_2008_cadilla- c_cts_unveiling

    And as demonstrated again by this picture:

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    It is a very complicated piece of sheet-metal integration which, according to Motor Trend's Chief Editor is the type of detailing that only BMW is doing right now.

    Additionally, it's supposed to be a stylized representation of Cadilac's "Flying Lady" from the 1930s (...and had been progressively stylized over the years too).

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  • I didn't say it was tacked on, but I appreciate the insight. I have more respect for the detail now. Thanks!
  • Rocky-

    My "only" question is, why doesn't Cadillac have 5 more cars like it? There should be some Buick's like it too, as well as Chevrolet, etc, etc.

    --mediapusher
  • Without a doubt it seems that CTS wins when it comes to the looks of interior compared to the Lexus IS350, however the CTS's interior looks much more garish than the IS350 and some buyers may be turned off by this.

    Oh, and perhaps it's just me, but doesn't the rear of the new CTS look a bit Eldoradoish? This isn't bad, I just happened to notice it.
  • thebugthebug Posts: 294
    I don't know, but I think many will say the interior is much better. I like the old interior also. I just hope it can be done in all black with the wood trim. I think the rear has the STS/Eldorado look. In any case it's cool. I will have one this year.

    thebug...
  • Without a doubt it seems that CTS wins when it comes to the looks of interior compared to the Lexus IS350, however the CTS's interior looks much more garish than the IS350 and some buyers may be turned off by this.

    Oh, and perhaps it's just me, but doesn't the rear of the new CTS look a bit Eldoradoish? This isn't bad, I just happened to notice it.

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    I'm not quite following you here. They both look fine to me:

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    But to each their own.

    I do agree with you about the ElDorado though.
  • thebugthebug Posts: 294
    When looking at the two together, they are both really nice. In my view, the lexus interior leans more towards a sports like theme ,and the Cadillac is more on the opulent side.

    In any case, I think it's more of what you are looking for as opposed to which one looks better that the other, because in truth I believe that most would admit (privately if not publicly), that they are both pretty nice.

    Because I like most of the cars in this class, if I had the space (and the money) I would buy the competitors, and do my own comparo.

    thebug...
  • louisweilouiswei Posts: 3,717
    I would admit (both privately and publicly) that cars in this class all have really nice interiors with the only excepts of: current CTS and BMW 3-series.
  • 14871487 Posts: 2,407
    In case you hadnt noticed, the newest model in any manufacturer's lineup usually is the best for obvious reasons. You seem to be suggesting the the rest of Cadillac's vehicles aren't up to par but that isnt true. The STS is competitive, especially in V series trim, and the XLR and DTS are nice cars. The DTS currently has the best interior out of any Cadillac car and it serves its purpose well in the luxury market.
  • thebugthebug Posts: 294
    Speaking of competitors. I have always thought,that the make up of competitors (particularly on this site) are out of sync. Mostly because they are comparing compacts to mid-sized, and compact sport to mid-sized luxury and so on.

    It's really hard to determine what they are using for the criteria to get certain vehicles in the same group. At the same time for some of the vehicle groups here, they're dead on.

    If I were in the market for something the size of a CTS, I would have never been considering something as small as the Audi A4, or BMW3 in the first place. I think the BMW5 or Audi A6 (size wise) is more in that direction.

    Some have said (on this site) "but it wouldn't stand up to those". I say "oh well" because it is what it is. My example is, they say the BMW3 is more nimble that the CTS "DUH". Of course it is. it's smaller, and it should be. I'll bet it's more nimble that a pick up truck too.

    I have noticed that other sites seem to place them by size, purpose and price, more than who the manufacture said they were competing against.

    And, I would think, that in reality, the advent of the CTS (starting in 2002) probably took sales from the BMW5 series and Audi A6 markets. It would be interesting to see if anyone ever did that type research.

    thebug...
  • thebugthebug Posts: 294
    louiswei: That would be true for some, but not for all. It is apparent that some do in fact (I would be one of those) like the interior in the current CTS, as well as the BMW you mentioned, because they sold very well.

    I would guess, that those that truly didn't like the designs, didn't buy one. At least I hope they didn't.

    thebug...
  • louisweilouiswei Posts: 3,717
    I don't know about the CTS but I know there are people out there (in fact, a alot fo them) whom would buy the 3-series just becaues it is a BMW. They don't care about how it looks (inside and out) or how it drives, as long as they see that BMW emblem on the hood of the car.

    I, for one, could not stand ugly (of course in my point of view) interiors and that's the major reason why 330i didn't win my business this time around.
  • thebugthebug Posts: 294
    In regards to the current CTS interior, the one that I have 03 lux package, black on black which I purchased in Nov 02. To date has not had one squeak or rattle. I've started my fifth year with this car, and in my history of owning cars, this would be the first time that this has ever happened. That's pretty impressive.

    When I purchase the 08 CTS this year, it will be because of the quality that I've noticed in the current CTS. Again, this will be the first time that I've purchased a car from the same manufacture (and same type car) back to back.

    I attribute that to quality and good service on Cadillac's part.

    thebug...
  • thebugthebug Posts: 294
    I too would not buy a product if "I" viewed it as being ugly. And you're absolutely right, some do go for name recognition regardless of what's inside the package.

    I for one use name recognition to a point, but only to a point. In that, I say that until the CTS was produced I really never gave Cadillac a second thought because all the models were too big for my need. The advent of the CTS was dead on for me.

    That being said, I lean more towards cars that I like for whatever reason, and I don't really care what others think about a particular model. Non issue for me. I do that with everything that I buy, not just cars.

    One example would be when I bought my Elantra Wagon, many of my colleagues laughed and poked fun at how cheap (yes in person) it was. That was in 1999. Today, I still drive my Elantra, it still runs and looks good, is very functional, and it's inexpensive to maintain. My point, it's a good car.

    A few of those that the provided the ridicule, have changed cars at least twice by now (I don't point it out)and have somehow managed to traded one nightmare for another.

    So for those out there that don't like a particular car for one reason or another, I say, don't buy it. It's really that simple. For me this year it will be the 08 CTS with all the goodies (hope they're packaged right), less nav and sunroof. Can't wait!!!

    thebug...
  • I will agree wholeheatedly with thebug. My '03 CTS LuxSport was the best screwed together car I ever owned. In the two years I owned it, not one squeak or rattle surfaced, outside of a passenger car seat bolt that was easily tightened. My SRX is similar but with the extra length and the huge hole in the roof, it just doesn't have quite the same tortional rigidity. Still, it's been an impressive vehicle too.
  • biker4biker4 Posts: 746
    For me this year it will be the 08 CTS with all the goodies (hope they're packaged right), less nav and sunroof. Can't wait!!!


    Might be waiting a long time - you almost can't get a car in this class w/out a sunroof. I think the G35 is the only one you can order w/out a sunroof - everything on the lot has one.
    And speaking of NAV - do all models of CTS have a screen (like the G35)?
  • thebugthebug Posts: 294
    In the last five model years of the CTS, the sunroof was not a standard item. I didn't opt to take a sunroof on my current CTS. According to this site, one of the Lexus models for 07 doesn't have a sunroof as standard. I think it's the IS350 but I'm not sure.

    I really think that particular item and nav should be an order item. Although I have a convertible, I'm just uncomfortable with a sunroof, and I don't need a nav system, because it doesn't really tell what you really need to know about getting there, and for me it's really hard to see under certain conditions of light.

    thebug...
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