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2009 Mazda6

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  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    Not yet. I don't think they have shown it yet. My guess is they will show it on the final day, April 25th, as the last talked about discussion.
  • The new Mazda6 is now shown on both US and Canadian Mazda websites.

    Of most interest:

    "The 2009 MAZDA6 will be available with two engine options: an all-new Mazda-designed and developed MZR 2.5-liter 4-cylinder engine and a powerful 3.7-liter V6.
    Choose between a 6-speed manual or 5-speed Sport AT with manual-shift mode on the 4-cylinder, or a 6-speed Sport AT with manual-shift mode for the V6."


    Too bad, no more manual on the V6. :(

    "It will be available only as a four door-sedan"

    Too bad also... :cry:
  • jeffyscottjeffyscott Posts: 3,855
    The current version was also only in a sedan the first year, so it is possible they will add the hatchback. OTOH, since they now have the CX vehicles, maybe not.
  • Long time reader, first time poster...

    *sigh*...they didn't change the position of the fog lights, didn't add the line down the center of the hood...I'm fine with 4-cylinder manual, but I agree that it's upsetting there is not hatchback...

    I was really really really looking forward to the JDM, now I might have to get a fusion instead...does anyone actually work at mazda give a darn? I mean seriously...how can you even put the JDM and US version next to each other...

    Like I said...*Sigh*...
  • zzzoom6zzzoom6 Posts: 425
    Choose between a 6-speed manual or 5-speed Sport AT with manual-shift mode on the 4-cylinder, or a 6-speed Sport AT with manual-shift mode for the V6."

    Although it's a stretch interpretation, I could read this as saying that there is a choice on both engine types... I'm hoping anyway. I read another Mazda press release regarding the 6 where they phrased it slightly different and it also seemed to suggest that the 3.7 liter (man just writing 3.7 liter is a thrill!) would be available w/ a 6 speed. and supposedly, motor trend is suggesting the same thing.

    motor trend article

    but then again motor trend has been saying for the last year or so that the new 6 would be getting a 3.5 liter...

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  • Looks very good to me, although I have to withhold judgement until I see interior pics, learn more about options and packages and - most importantly - see how these things are priced.

    As a Mazda salesperson, I admit to being disappointed that there will be no wagon or hatch. Heck, I wish Mazda would drop the sedan and go only with the wagon and hatch to differentiate itself from the competition, but I'm pleasantly surprised that they didn't mess up the NA version.

    Sounds like there will be no manual transmission for the V6 and I know that will emotionall destroy a few enthusiasts on this site, but in the real world, after the tiny number of enthusiasts have bought their manual transmission cars in the first few months the car is on the market, its almost impossible to give one away. Plus the re-sale on a V6 manual is scary bad. You take a HUGE hit for buying one when it comes time to trade.

    Heck, with gas prices where they are, I'm more interested in the I4 anyways!
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    No sale.

    Add me to the list of Mazda owners (I have multiple Mazda's in my garage) who will not purchase a sedan. I'll consider the 3, however, will likely shop elsewhere.
    Maybe a Jetta Wagon TDI.
  • jeffyscottjeffyscott Posts: 3,855
    Yes, I really don't get how a ~175 HP (guessing) 2.5 L 4 cylinder is not enough power...especially with a manual. It is in the rest of the world.

    Your mention of the V6 manual resale implies that there is less resale problem with I4 manual...is that correct? This would tend to imply that most manual buyers are buying for economic reasons, rather than being enthusiasts.
  • mz6greyghostmz6greyghost Posts: 1,230
    Evidently, some people need to be reminded that the 5-door and wagon was NOT introduced when the Mazda6 was first introduced here in NA in 2003, but for the following year.

    Who knows? Mazda may be doing the same thing for the second-gen, with a release of the 5-door and wagon for 2010...
  • Hope springs eternal, but that would run against everything I've heard frm day one - which is that this version of the Mazda6 will be sedan only in NA. I hope your right and I'm wrong, but I wouldn't count on it.

    Doesn't really matter whether or not its an I4 or a V6 - a manual transmission in a mid-sized car is the kiss of death in terms of re-sale value. Sure you'll pay less up front, but you will take it in the neck at the back end, and that's the case for every make, not just Mazda.

    In the land of the mid-size sedan, the automatic transmission is king.

    Now, I will place one caveat on this. I'm Canadian. Here, compact cars outsell mid-sized cars by a very large margin. Mid-sized cars - which often run upwards of $30,000 here - are almost considered more of an entry level luxury vehicle. Perhaps in the US, with lower car prices and gas prices and the greater popularity of vehicles in the mid-sized segement there is a difference, but I doubt it.
  • jeffyscottjeffyscott Posts: 3,855
    Doesn't really matter whether or not its an I4 or a V6 - a manual transmission in a mid-sized car is the kiss of death in terms of re-sale value.

    Thanks for the clarification. That was one reason I went with an automatic...even though I typically keep a car forever, I figured it would be easier to get rid of should I change my ways. The insignificant mpg difference and the (related) racer gearing of the manual were others as was the fact that power seemed adequate even with the auto.
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    Hope springs eternal, but that would run against everything I've heard frm day one - which is that this version of the Mazda6 will be sedan only in NA. I hope your right and I'm wrong, but I wouldn't count on it.

    *Maybe*, we will see a hatch next year, though I fully expect not to. Forget about a wagon.
    With the greater differentiation between NA/Euro/[non-permissible content removed] models in this new 6 the tooling cost for NA only hatch and wagon is most likely never going to make a sound return on investment.

    Personally, hatchback Mazda6 availability is what differentiated the 6 from other midsize choices and is the reason I changed my mind from a Mazda3 5door to Mazda6 5 door. The Accord would be my #1 choice for sedan midsize, Jetta TDI for Wagon midsize.

    Subaru dropped the Legacy Wagon for 2008. Mazda dropped the 6 Wagon for 2008 and 2009.

    It's too bad I don't like SUV's as Mazda has plenty of SUV's to choose from.
  • m6userm6user Posts: 3,009
    Anybody have a date as to when orders can be placed or when the 09 Mazda6 will be available for sale?
  • biker4biker4 Posts: 746
    Sure you'll pay less up front, but you will take it in the neck at the back end, and that's the case for every make, not just Mazda.

    I sold my 99 Accord LX 5MT last year within a couple of hours of listing on Craigslist - at the asking price (blue book). The dealers may not want an MT in a trade but there's a market out there for sedans with an MT - maybe the 6 is not among them.

    With its good looks and a 6MT this 6 will have a leg up on the competition.
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    This new Mazda6 was designed and engineered specifically for the North American market -- the third Mazda in a row to be so

    At a time when GM and Ford are beginning to abandon the many designs for many markets philosopy and are making global vehicle designs, Mazda decides it is wise to spend x2 the resources and x2 the tooling costs to design, engineer and manufacture one design for North America and a different one for the rest of the world. I'm disgusted to see that Mazda is taking the Ford Focus approach.

    Why not just have Ford manufacture the Mazda's for North America and slap a Mazda6 badge on a Fusion?
  • mz6greyghostmz6greyghost Posts: 1,230
    I'm disgusted to see that Mazda is taking the Ford Focus approach.

    That's because they're not.

    The Euro Focus and NA Focus are two different cars built on two different platforms. The NA Focus is essentially a warmed-over version of the original Focus platform, while the Euro Focus is riding on a much-newer platform that the US Volvo S40 and Mazda3 also uses.

    The 6, both here and abroad, is built on an updated version of the CD3 platform, similar to the first-gen Mazda6. The differences are in the finer points (NA gets a V6, but shares the I-4, different trim and fascias, minor interior items, etc.)

    Mazda is NOT spending twice the $$$$ or resources on different cars with the same name, it's the same platform, modified for the specific market. It's similar to GM selling modified Opels in the US as Saturns.

    Oh, and for the record, the first-gen Mazda6 is the same thing.
  • carzzzcarzzz Posts: 282
    I think Mazda is going to tune engine slightly differently to a CX9. My estimate is 280+ hp with 260lb-ft of torque.
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    Mazda is NOT spending twice the $$$$ or resources on different cars with the same name, it's the same platform, modified for the specific market. It's similar to GM selling modified Opels in the US as Saturns.

    Mazda6 2009 is bigger on the outside than Atenza, it is bigger on the inside than Atenza. It requires different tooling than Atenza and greater engineering cost than if they were the same. THEY ARE NOT THE SAME.
    Is a Fusion and a Mazda6 the same? No.

    Is a Mazda6 2007 the same as the Ford Edge, since they both use CD3? No.

    And for the record, Saturn Astra is virtually the same car in Europe and US, the platform is not modified.
  • milkman1milkman1 Posts: 80
    I am just a 6 fan that happened to be in Denver on business this week. I put my suit on and waltzed right end to the dealer convention closing dinner. It was an awesome event and I got to play around on around 8 versions they had on the floor to get in and play with. I doubted like many, but it really does bring the magic for me in person. The bean counters haven't squeazed cost out of it like the old version yet and a lot of the nice things in the 03 model are back like the lid to the cup holders antennae built into the back window. The truck is still huge. My only complaints are there is not a true dual exhaust on the I4 and the grill isn't quite snug enough to the hood of the car. If the light hits it from behind the car you can see it. I talked to the Mazda NA quality cheif and congratulated him because it is bigger but doesn't seem bigger and it's a good step forward. Test drive it first, that's all I'm saying. Any questions, just ask.
  • I should be buying a new car in the next few years and the Mazda 6 was No. 1 on my list! No more! No hatchback and no manual for the V6? And handling that's been optimised for "North American" conditions? I'll pass.....

    Honda Accord V6, here I come!!!

    One thing I liked about the previous Mazda 6 was its somewhat different nature. Especially, enthusiasts were well catered for, it offered a manual for the V6, the ride was taut and the handling superb..... It sounds like the new Mazda is trying to get too mainstream and be like the Accord. So I might as well get the Accord....at least it'll have better resale value!

    What the hell, Mazda! Where's the Zoom-Zoom? I'm very angry!
  • trobsontrobson Posts: 9
    So…

    You'll be abandoning the M6 for a different make & model that offers neither of the features you are lamenting the non-existence of…

    …in a couple of years?

    OK, noted.
  • Yes, trobson. Honda is more highly regarded and they have higher resale value...and supposedly better reliability. If Mazda is going to offer a 6 that is just like the Accord, I might as well get an Accord! The reason I liked the original Mazda 6 was is that it was different from the Accord......

    Secondly, my choosing the Accord would be a form of protest at Mazda's decision. Maybe if this one sells poorly, they'll create something better.
  • jeffyscottjeffyscott Posts: 3,855
    Secondly, my choosing the Accord would be a form of protest at Mazda's decision. Maybe if this one sells poorly, they'll create something better.

    Yes, that'll be effective and encourage them to build something more like the best selling cars in the US...Camry and Accord.

    Mazda decides it is wise to spend x2 the resources and x2 the tooling costs to design, engineer and manufacture one design for North America and a different one for the rest of the world. I'm disgusted to see that Mazda is taking the Ford Focus approach.

    You do realize that if they did not modify the design for the US there would be no V6 at all. This would be fine with me, but I am thinking you would be complaining about the lack of a V6.

    Only Americans want a V6 in a car such as this and the vast majority of Americans do not want a manual.
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    mz6greyghost is correct. While Mazda did spend a little more money to modify the JDM/euro Mazda6, the under pinnings, suspension, interior design and basic overall design is the same. Only the front and rear facias. are different.

    While us "enthusiasts" are the ones who usually prowl these forums, and have expressed dislike with what Mazda has in store for us on this side of the pond. However, the Mazda6 was in dire need of change. First, the car needed to be bigger. Does anyone see how popular the Altima got? I think Mazda wants a piece of that pie. The Mazda6 also needed more power, and better fuel efficiency. Mazda has claimed to cure both. Also, with it's increased size, Mazda is also claiming that is drives like a Mazda! I think that is the one thing that us "enthusiasts" here are worried about. We want this new Mazda6 to drive like the one we already have. Am I correct in that assumption?

    Having said all of that, if the new Mazda6 feels like my Mazda6, and it has more power, better fuel efficiency, updated styling and a little more room, what's not to like?

    Also, I think a few of you here think that the new Mazda6 is significantly bigger then the current model. That is not the case. It is only slightly bigger. Don't worry, Mazda did not give us a Honda Accord or Toyota Camry.

    So far, the pictures look good. When Mazda has us drive the new 6 before the public gets to drive it, I will let all of you know if Mazda did their job!
  • zzzoom6zzzoom6 Posts: 425
    so aviboy97, can you confirm conclusively that the v-6 will not be offered w/ a mtx?

    and to they guy who crashed the party... did you get a chance to check out the interior? I'd imagine it's pretty much the same except maybe without the steering wheel paddles, but just curious as to what your impressions were. examples like seat material, dash layout/ materials, center console solidity, aux input location etc would be great. of course if anyone else has this info, I'd love to hear it.

    concerning how the car drives, if they have kept steering feel and a suspension that isn't so prone to heavy leaning under standard corner loads like other cars in this class while improving nvh and reducing weight... well that would be a huge improvement. and from what I've been reading on the jdm/euro version, that seems to what mazda has uncorked... so I'm cautiously optimistic. of course I've heard some owners of the current 6 be pretty critical of the new 6 when they had a chance to drive the euro version so geuss I'll just have to wait to September.

    But note to Mazda: I will not consider trading in my hatch unless I can get another 5 door.
  • m6userm6user Posts: 3,009
    It amazes me that a person can see a couple of pictures and read a press release and instantly make a decision on what they are going to buy two years from now. The Mazda6 in 2011 could have 5 doors and/or wagon styles. It could have manual in the V6. It could still have great handling even though it is a couple inches bigger.

    If a company is constantly told by it's dealers to make more V6 with manuals, more 5 doors and more wagons cause we can sell the living hell out of them, do you really think Mazda would say...."oh sorry, we can't cause we don't like good margins and want to be more Honda". Get real.
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    The pictures of the interior I saw from the up close spy photos, which looked identical to the JDM/euro Mazda6, with the exception of the steering wheel. The steering wheel seems to be taken from the CX-9. I have not seen official photos yet, however, I'm sure I will get them soon before the rest of you.

    As for no mtx in the V6, for MY2009, Mazda will not offer it. This may be for a few reasons. First, they might not have the capability to produce enough 6-speed manuals. They already use them in the MX-5, RX-8, Mazdaspeed3 and 09 Mazda6 i. They may introduce it in 2010. Until Mazda tells us why, all we can do is speculate.

    As a current Mazda6 i 5-speed owner, I owe it to myself to take a serious look at the 2nd gen. I don't like the Accord / Altima or Camry. I currently have the 5-door and I really like it, however, I would not hesitate to buy the sedan if I like how it drove. I also bought my Mazda6 with the intentions of driving it for a long time. I have little over 40,000 problem free miles on it. I don't plan on trading it in either because I still owe money on it. Right now, my wife needs to replace her Impreza, and getting her a new car is top priority. Since Mazda is probably not offering AWD in the new Mazda6, that rules it out. She needs AWD. If I do replace my Mazda6, it won't be for a while, maybe by 2011 or 2012. Who knows what the Mazda6 will have then? Maybe a new Mazdaspeed?
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    Honda is more highly regarded and they have higher resale value...and supposedly better reliability. If Mazda is going to offer a 6 that is just like the Accord, I might as well get an Accord

    If you are interested in the Accord V6, you better check out the numerous dissatisfied 2008 Honda Accord V6 owners in the "Accord VCM" thread. Better yet, the members here on Edmunds only rate the car an 8.8 out of 10.0. The Mazda6 has consistently over 9.0.

    You should be wise and not jump to any conclusions with out driving either of these vehicles.
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