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2009 Mazda6

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  • milkman1milkman1 Posts: 80
    I am just a 6 fan that happened to be in Denver on business this week. I put my suit on and waltzed right end to the dealer convention closing dinner. It was an awesome event and I got to play around on around 8 versions they had on the floor to get in and play with. I doubted like many, but it really does bring the magic for me in person. The bean counters haven't squeazed cost out of it like the old version yet and a lot of the nice things in the 03 model are back like the lid to the cup holders antennae built into the back window. The truck is still huge. My only complaints are there is not a true dual exhaust on the I4 and the grill isn't quite snug enough to the hood of the car. If the light hits it from behind the car you can see it. I talked to the Mazda NA quality cheif and congratulated him because it is bigger but doesn't seem bigger and it's a good step forward. Test drive it first, that's all I'm saying. Any questions, just ask.
  • I should be buying a new car in the next few years and the Mazda 6 was No. 1 on my list! No more! No hatchback and no manual for the V6? And handling that's been optimised for "North American" conditions? I'll pass.....

    Honda Accord V6, here I come!!!

    One thing I liked about the previous Mazda 6 was its somewhat different nature. Especially, enthusiasts were well catered for, it offered a manual for the V6, the ride was taut and the handling superb..... It sounds like the new Mazda is trying to get too mainstream and be like the Accord. So I might as well get the Accord....at least it'll have better resale value!

    What the hell, Mazda! Where's the Zoom-Zoom? I'm very angry!
  • trobsontrobson Posts: 9
    So…

    You'll be abandoning the M6 for a different make & model that offers neither of the features you are lamenting the non-existence of…

    …in a couple of years?

    OK, noted.
  • Yes, trobson. Honda is more highly regarded and they have higher resale value...and supposedly better reliability. If Mazda is going to offer a 6 that is just like the Accord, I might as well get an Accord! The reason I liked the original Mazda 6 was is that it was different from the Accord......

    Secondly, my choosing the Accord would be a form of protest at Mazda's decision. Maybe if this one sells poorly, they'll create something better.
  • jeffyscottjeffyscott Posts: 3,855
    Secondly, my choosing the Accord would be a form of protest at Mazda's decision. Maybe if this one sells poorly, they'll create something better.

    Yes, that'll be effective and encourage them to build something more like the best selling cars in the US...Camry and Accord.

    Mazda decides it is wise to spend x2 the resources and x2 the tooling costs to design, engineer and manufacture one design for North America and a different one for the rest of the world. I'm disgusted to see that Mazda is taking the Ford Focus approach.

    You do realize that if they did not modify the design for the US there would be no V6 at all. This would be fine with me, but I am thinking you would be complaining about the lack of a V6.

    Only Americans want a V6 in a car such as this and the vast majority of Americans do not want a manual.
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    mz6greyghost is correct. While Mazda did spend a little more money to modify the JDM/euro Mazda6, the under pinnings, suspension, interior design and basic overall design is the same. Only the front and rear facias. are different.

    While us "enthusiasts" are the ones who usually prowl these forums, and have expressed dislike with what Mazda has in store for us on this side of the pond. However, the Mazda6 was in dire need of change. First, the car needed to be bigger. Does anyone see how popular the Altima got? I think Mazda wants a piece of that pie. The Mazda6 also needed more power, and better fuel efficiency. Mazda has claimed to cure both. Also, with it's increased size, Mazda is also claiming that is drives like a Mazda! I think that is the one thing that us "enthusiasts" here are worried about. We want this new Mazda6 to drive like the one we already have. Am I correct in that assumption?

    Having said all of that, if the new Mazda6 feels like my Mazda6, and it has more power, better fuel efficiency, updated styling and a little more room, what's not to like?

    Also, I think a few of you here think that the new Mazda6 is significantly bigger then the current model. That is not the case. It is only slightly bigger. Don't worry, Mazda did not give us a Honda Accord or Toyota Camry.

    So far, the pictures look good. When Mazda has us drive the new 6 before the public gets to drive it, I will let all of you know if Mazda did their job!
  • zzzoom6zzzoom6 Posts: 425
    so aviboy97, can you confirm conclusively that the v-6 will not be offered w/ a mtx?

    and to they guy who crashed the party... did you get a chance to check out the interior? I'd imagine it's pretty much the same except maybe without the steering wheel paddles, but just curious as to what your impressions were. examples like seat material, dash layout/ materials, center console solidity, aux input location etc would be great. of course if anyone else has this info, I'd love to hear it.

    concerning how the car drives, if they have kept steering feel and a suspension that isn't so prone to heavy leaning under standard corner loads like other cars in this class while improving nvh and reducing weight... well that would be a huge improvement. and from what I've been reading on the jdm/euro version, that seems to what mazda has uncorked... so I'm cautiously optimistic. of course I've heard some owners of the current 6 be pretty critical of the new 6 when they had a chance to drive the euro version so geuss I'll just have to wait to September.

    But note to Mazda: I will not consider trading in my hatch unless I can get another 5 door.
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,892
    It amazes me that a person can see a couple of pictures and read a press release and instantly make a decision on what they are going to buy two years from now. The Mazda6 in 2011 could have 5 doors and/or wagon styles. It could have manual in the V6. It could still have great handling even though it is a couple inches bigger.

    If a company is constantly told by it's dealers to make more V6 with manuals, more 5 doors and more wagons cause we can sell the living hell out of them, do you really think Mazda would say...."oh sorry, we can't cause we don't like good margins and want to be more Honda". Get real.
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    The pictures of the interior I saw from the up close spy photos, which looked identical to the JDM/euro Mazda6, with the exception of the steering wheel. The steering wheel seems to be taken from the CX-9. I have not seen official photos yet, however, I'm sure I will get them soon before the rest of you.

    As for no mtx in the V6, for MY2009, Mazda will not offer it. This may be for a few reasons. First, they might not have the capability to produce enough 6-speed manuals. They already use them in the MX-5, RX-8, Mazdaspeed3 and 09 Mazda6 i. They may introduce it in 2010. Until Mazda tells us why, all we can do is speculate.

    As a current Mazda6 i 5-speed owner, I owe it to myself to take a serious look at the 2nd gen. I don't like the Accord / Altima or Camry. I currently have the 5-door and I really like it, however, I would not hesitate to buy the sedan if I like how it drove. I also bought my Mazda6 with the intentions of driving it for a long time. I have little over 40,000 problem free miles on it. I don't plan on trading it in either because I still owe money on it. Right now, my wife needs to replace her Impreza, and getting her a new car is top priority. Since Mazda is probably not offering AWD in the new Mazda6, that rules it out. She needs AWD. If I do replace my Mazda6, it won't be for a while, maybe by 2011 or 2012. Who knows what the Mazda6 will have then? Maybe a new Mazdaspeed?
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    Honda is more highly regarded and they have higher resale value...and supposedly better reliability. If Mazda is going to offer a 6 that is just like the Accord, I might as well get an Accord

    If you are interested in the Accord V6, you better check out the numerous dissatisfied 2008 Honda Accord V6 owners in the "Accord VCM" thread. Better yet, the members here on Edmunds only rate the car an 8.8 out of 10.0. The Mazda6 has consistently over 9.0.

    You should be wise and not jump to any conclusions with out driving either of these vehicles.
  • milkman1milkman1 Posts: 80
    The interior does seem to have some features similar to the new 6 elsewhere yet will remain very familiar to the owners of the current model. There are only 4 air vents up front now and the storage compartment on top of the dash is gone altogether. The center armrest is now only 1 compartment instead of 2 but it does slide forward and has 2 layers the top of which can be lifted out of the way to get to the CD storage. There are no paddle shifters but there are now blue tooth bottons as well as smart key. Where the cheaper dash plastic used to be on the center console has been replaced with what I can only describe a tiger shark like pattern. It's a neat look. Also, on the upper trim models the kick plate entering the front doors lights the "6" up in blue. I saw black white and beige interiors. Also note, that the paint on all models seems to have a little more of a mica look to it.
  • Guys, I think you've completely misunderstood me.

    Firstly, I welcome most of the changes to the new Mazda 6: the styling, more powerful engines, even more space (provided it's not too big). So don't get me wrong: I'm not panning it as a complete failure.

    But there are certain things that I don't like. The Mazda press release on mazdausa.com clearly states that the new Mazda 6 would be a 4-door only. It doesn't state or hint at future hatchback and/or wagon models. Since I'm a fan of the current hatchback, I'm not happy about there being not hatchback!

    The second thing I don't like is ride and comfort that has been "optimised for North America", according to the press release. What is that supposed to mean? Given that American cars have traditionally had poor handling, and that the Camry and even the Accord have relatively poor handling and are more "comfortable", this could be an ominous sign! It almost certainly means that the handling and ride that we love so much will go away.

    Thirdly, there will be no manual for the V6! What are Mazda thinking? It should at the very least be available by special order.

    What made me love the previous Mazda 6 was its excellent handling and ride, it's availability of manuals for V6 models (not only that....one could get a fully loaded GT with the manual V6), and it offering hatchback and wagons. The hatchback in particular was beautiful.
    According to Mazda's own press release, these features would not be back with the new Mazda 6. According to THEIR OWN press release on their official website.....not some rumours! So it seems I don't have a reason to consider one anymore, despite the improvements in other aspects of the car. So pardon me if I'm not thrilled about the new model!

    Remember that the 626 tried to be another Accord/Camry and failed. That was the whole point of the Zoom-Zoom strategy of the Mazda 6: to appeal to a different set of drivers by offering better styling, driving pleasure (great manual trans that was available for all trims) and better utility (hatchback and wagon). This new model seems to want to chase Accord and Camry buyers again!
    So if I boycott by buying an Accord and other people do so, maybe Mazda might get the message and give a proper Zoom-Zoom car! If they want to give me an Accord, I might as well buy a real Accord. If we all buy this current model, they'll think their new strategy works and we'll never see the real zoom-Zoom features again!

    Lastly, one might argue that "don't worry....the Mazdaspeed version will cater to us enthusiasts". That will be true, but the Mazdaspeed will cost around $30k and will have poor fuel economy! For an enthusiast wanting to spend no more than $27k or so on a manual V6 mid-sized car, the new Mazda 6 won't satisfy him/her.
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    The Mazda press release on mazdausa.com clearly states that the new Mazda 6 would be a 4-door only.

    Why would they hint to future 5-door or wagon models in the future when they are trying to sell cars, today? Remember, in 2003, when the Mazda6 was introduced, there was no 5-door or wagon, nor did they hint about one either.

    The second thing I don't like is ride and comfort that has been "optimised for North America", according to the press release. What is that supposed to mean? Given that American cars have traditionally had poor handling, and that the Camry and even the Accord have relatively poor handling and are more "comfortable", this could be an ominous sign!

    I highly doubt that! Remember, the Mazda CX-9 was designed EXCLUSIVELY for the American market, and it is the best handling and braking 7 passenger CUV on the market. The CX-9 has since been offered in other markets.

    So if I boycott by buying an Accord and other people do so, maybe Mazda might get the message and give a proper Zoom-Zoom car! If they want to give me an Accord, I might as well buy a real Accord

    How about you wait and drive one before you call it the next Accord.
  • Are you saying a Mustang will not sell if it has a manual? :confuse:
  • socal2006socal2006 Posts: 44
    I like the overall styling. Although I think the JDM/euro model looks sleeker and more sophisticated, there's a muscular look to the NA 6 that I was not expecting.

    I think if nobody had ever seen the JDM model, nobody would be complaining about this in terms of styling.

    I'm not worried about the handling/ride aspect at all. Mazda knows that it will not be successful trying to make Camcord clones. Mazda knows that all the success that it has enjoyed in terms of both sales and awards in recent years has been due to staying true to the brand marketing. I think what they're trying to do is address needs of the NA market without compromising too much their brand image. Sure, it's riding a fine line but I think they'll be able to pull it off.

    Although I havent driven the JDM/euro 6, I've read lots of European reviews comparing it to the Mondeo, and even the Europeans prefer the Mondeo because its ride is more composed even though the 6 is a bit sharper in the handling department. So, who knows we may be getting something better with the NA 6: composed ride and good handling.

    I think the lack of wagon/hatchbacks is an oversight and a misunderstanding of where the market is going. Mazda needs to start to predict the market rather than just react to current conditions. For example, with the move towards smaller fuel efficient vehicles, the Mazda2 would be a huge seller already in the States if they had been prepared to bring it over.

    I think another trend will be moving away from the crossovers and back to wagons with inline 4s. Ok, so most crossovers are just raised wagons neways, but the market for alternative people movers is expanding. It'd be difficult to sell a Cx-7 with a normally aspirated i4 (hence the awkward turbo), but the Mazda5 is flying off lots right now (sales are up surprisingly). Step up your game Mazda and dont be afraid to carve new niches like you have with the 5.
  • socal2006socal2006 Posts: 44
    huh?? Mustang is not a midsize sedan.

    His point was that midsize sedans have trouble selling with manuals (which is true), and that this usually gets worse when trying to resell your vehicle. I dont know if this is Mazda's motivation behind not selling manuals on th v6 sedans. However, I do think its a disservice and a slap in the face to Mazda's primary fanbase.

    They've made their money and brand selling to the enthusiast, and they have to live with the consequences of that.
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,892
    Do you think if these so called enthusiasts bought more V6 manuals Mazda would ignore them? They would see their average lot time of the manuals to be so much less than the autos that would just keep cranking out the manuals. It doesn't take much of marketer to read charts and grade demand. They are in business to make money so why would they ignore their so called "primary fanbase"?
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    Now a days, V6 powered mid sized sedans are over 25K Usually the buyer of this price of car is not looking for a manual. They are usually a family person. There are some that would like a manual, but, the majority would want an auto. The 4 cyl market is where the high demand for a manual is, especially in the 21K price range.
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,892
    Thanks for the logical answer and an acknowledgement that the demand for V6 manuals is not real high. That is exactly the point I have been trying to make.
  • socal2006socal2006 Posts: 44
    I totally understand what you are saying. There probably is good financial reason (as I stated in my post) for not making the manual tranny for the v6.

    I'm only saying they probably should include the manual as an option, perhaps factory ordered, as a token gesture to their primary fanbase. Even if these 'enthusiasts' don't generate enough sales to warrant the inclusion of the manual, I think it's a mistake to alienate them long-term.

    Admittedly, I dont know the costs of making the manual an option. I'm sure it's not just a plug and play type of deal.
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