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I am having a couple of potential problems with my '05 Odyssey transmission that I'm hoping someone can help shed some light on.
The van has about 86,000 miles on it and I've started noticing the following couple of issues:
1) After being in park, and usually when the tranmission moves from 1st into 2nd, there is a brief sort of grind or scrape sound. This only happens when I've been in park before driving. The transmission seemingly shifts fine between all gears after the above occurence happens once (i.e. when repeatedly starting and stopping during normal city driving, etc.).
2) Not very often does it happen, but I've recently noticed what I guess is a temporary shudder when I'm lightly accelerating or maintaining speed. The shudder goes away when I let off the gas or accelerate more. When in cruise control on road trips, this issue hasn't occured.
Regarding #1, has anyone experienced this?
Regarding #2, my van is equipped with VCM. Since the tranmission is only acting up in the way I've described when the pedal is slighly pressed to maintain speed or slighly accelerate, could this issue possibly be related to the VCM which tends to switch between 3 and 6 cylinders when maintaining a certain speed?
Thanks for any help or advice offered,
Jason
#2 I am interested in. Ours does something similar recently. I also have an Acura TL with 150K on it that does the same thing, but more pronounced.
From some reading, the 2 things that seem to cause this are the torque converter, and a gunky EGR system. Not sure with the TC if it is the unit itself, or the clutch that locks/unlocks it. But I am certainly interested in finding out if you do!
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
I have experienced #1.
For the longest time I was experiencing #2 and always thought that it was the tranny, but I replaced the spark plugs about 500 miles ago and that seems to have been gone.
The car feels like brand new, now that I am running it with all synthetic fluids including tranny fluid and new plugs (after the new plugs, the cabin noise has significantly subsided).
Looking at one of the old spark plugs, I can say that the 100k tune-up is total BS from Honda. Seems like the VCM can't deal with spark plugs that are ready to be replaced. Next time I will replace the plugs wat 50K (bought the plugs from amazon at half price of what the dealers charge - same ngk iridiums that are oem for newer hondas and acuras. Had my dealer put those in for me.)
I also have an acura tl 05 with 70k and will probably replace the plugs about 75k.
If you do put new plugs could you please update here with your experience?
Hope that helps.
I'm bringing the van in for some routine maintenance next Friday and I'll have the spark plugs looked at and probably replaced. I'll let you know if it solves the issue.
I think I will also have the tranny flushed. I'd like to know how the fluid looks ...and I'm interested in replacing it with synthetic, but should I use a certain type (after having found a good mechanic years ago, I no longer go to Honda for maintenance and I save a lot of money, while being confident of the quality of work done)?
By the way, can the torque converter be checked out easily to determine if it's working correctly? Or is it usually just replaced when it's suspected to be the cause of certain problems? Thx.
Thx.
BTW, make sure you ask for the old plugs back and see how they look.
Now at about 90K the transmission failed. I went back to the dealer and was happy to hear the service managers' kind words "Honday may cover the parts at 100% but you will pay for labor". Well that sounded great but the next day he said that Honda would only cover 50% of parts leaving me stuck w/ the rest of the bill. (very dissapointed). I would pay in excess of $3,000 wich included a new designed trans along with computer. So its obvious that thier initial design had problems.
I've read alot of familiar things on line. I wrote letters, made calls and ultimately was just making myself frustrated w/ this as all I got was the run around from Honda USA.
I think that w/ as much revenue Honda makes that this error should be covered by Honda 100%. It will be a sad day when someone gets hurt or dies due to this bad design.
Ive owned 5 Honda's in my lifetime. But because of this injustice I will spread the word and I'm going with Toyota from now on.
The dealer thought it was the 'shift interlock solenoid' wearing out. But everyone else who has that kind of problem is having it get stuck in Park, which we are not. I'm pretty handy and don't mind getting into it but I don't want to just throw parts at it until it is fixed.
I have a 2002 odyssey with 115,000 miles on it. For the last few months, my rpms rev really high and I can't increase speed past 15 mile per hour. This happens about once a day. My gear shifting is also sort of "clunky". Check engine light went on one day when I tried to accelerate up a hill but it seemed the car wouldn't switch to 3rd gear. Once I stop the car, everything is fine until the next day when it does it again. I'm assuming I have the same problem as everyone else. Not too happy about the thought of paying over $3000 to have this fixed if Honda has a problem they know about.
Not bashing just to hate(we love the Odyssey but not the major problems they will not admit to openly..
I tell you all that because, I also have an 04 Odyssey, which my wife and I purchased new in Sep-04. The van has just over 60K miles, and we recently noticed that when the engine speed was around 1500 rpm and the transmission was in 4th gear (typically between 25 and 40 mph on flat grade), the car would feel like the engine was missing. After further investigation, I have become convinced that the torque converter is jumping in and out of overdrive. Since the problem was getting worse, I decided to go ahead and do service on the transmission to see if it helped.
The service manual for both the 02 Accord and the 04 Odyssey recommend that you drain and refill the transmission fluid using Honda brand transmission fluid, then drive the car 20 minutes or more, then drain and refill, then drive 20 minutes, then drain and refill, then drive 20 minutes, then drain and refill. Because I could only drain and refill the transmission 3 times with one case of transmission fluid, I purchased a case of transmission fluid and did the first brand refill earlier this week. The symptom nearly disappeared after the first brand and refill. WOW! I did the second drain and refill yesterday and will do the final dran and refill today.
I highly recommend that, if you have not already, do the service I described above. Then do at least one drain and refill annually. More often if the transmission fluid is really dark and dirty. REMEMBER...Only use Honda Transmission Fluid and DO NOT do a flush using a machine that forces fluid into the transmission...HONDA strongly discourages transmission fluid flushes in user manuals and in other bulletins.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
After the update the vehicle started shuddering at about 55 km/h.Took it in once again and to sort it out and now it's even worse.Took it in again today and was told they would need to replace the Torque Converter.I am told its on back order which is what (kevo3) mentioned in the post before this...
Is anyone else having the same problem and what does this part cost?
shudder under mild accel. @ 45-50
jumps / slips @ 60
RPM playing around tenths at these speeds -- jumping up a bit.
Please let me know how it goes.
Thank you for your time
You didn't say what the price on this unit is, but Hondas tend to be quite high priced used (paying for the name and repliability rep, which this model didn't earn). Knowing what you want to spend will make a difference.
If you have to have a minivan (with 5 kids, a nice idea!) you can probably get a Chrysler with 1/2 the miles for the same price (and likely less risk). Slightly newer, amybe a Mazda MPV (the newer style).
lots of other options if you can get away without a minivan of course.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
Maybe a 1998-2001 Sienna? They seem to be pretyt robust.but again, you will pay 2X for the name.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
Sorry.
Any idea guys on what's going on internally on my van? Your comment will be greatly aapreciated.
thank you.
02odyssey3rdowner
If the only time I sense a problem is when the torque converter locks in, should I replace the entire TX, or just the torque converter. Given the frequency of problems with the TX itself, I am contemplating doing the whole job. Just the torque converter (with labor) is around $1600.
Pay close attention to this -- I went for a ride w/ a honda tech and showed him 3 issues w/ my 2007 ody:
1) the judder (easy to recognize)
2) tach jumps in 1/10s when in 3rd gear, primarily
3) punch, or "shift" feeling (similar to what you describe).
Tech said all 3 were the tourque converter -- I was surprised @ #3, b/c on these forums I had been led to believe that #3 was just going into / out of VCM. He said that if the VCM theory were correct, the punches should loosely correspond to when ECO light comes on. He said ECO might not exactly be when it goes into VCM or comes out of it, but it is within a few seconds of it... The punches I was experiencing, he said, were the torque converter stop plate slipping.
Anyway, they did the software update, and said this fixed the problem. I said I wanted a tech experienced w/ this problem to take it for a test ride before I pick it up. They did this, and the tech found the judder on 5th attemp up a slight incline, under mild accel. So now they're putting in a tourque converter. Dealer said Honda cost for the procedure was $1660, for me it would have been about $2600. All covered under powertrain warranty.
On separate note, I asked if they've re-engineered the part now... Tech said as he understood it, they've deteremined the part was always OK, and the shift point definitions were the problem -- so the software update is what you ultimately need to prevent this from happening.
I got my 07 back last night w/ new TX -- seems that problem is solved.