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and if that is all the problems you had with it, probably still ahead of the game.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
But Stickguy has a good point. Most Odyssey problems with transmissions aren't being handled with any help of merit from Honda. And at 100,000K you're on your own. You were indeed lucky with a good dealership.
Did the transmission shop install a cooler on the transmission? And a filter? It sounds like that's what it takes.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
If Honda had a warranty like Hyundai, 100K miles on engine and power train, and you bought a Hyundai, and the transmission had issues at 120K miles, would you blame Hyundai and ask for a free transmission replacement? If you say yes, then I have little sympathy.
I wager that for every Ody with tranny issues, there are 50 that work just fine. You just don't have the satisfied people posting their good experiences. I am trying to make up for the countless others like me that have had trouble-free Ody ownership.
After I got the car back, I noticed that some screws were missing and things were out of place near the air filter compartment. Also, I can now feel some clicking type sound along the steering column, like something wasn't quite put back right. They had to cut and replace a bar (anti-sway?) to get to the transmission. Apparently the bolts were siezed. Also, after having this transmission for less than a month, I did feel it slip once so far going from 1st to 2nd.
I guess I'll drive this until it dies again and then it's time for a new car. It won't be a new Odyssey because I don't like the fact that the new ones got wider. I liked the 2000 just the way it was. I think it is still the best looking minivan ever. 2nd comes the current Siennas. If I have to buy a wider car, I may look at the Pilot (which is ugly outside) or perhaps the 2013 Pathfinder after I take it for a whirl.
First and foremost, redesign the case to include a removable pan for servicing a decent fluid filter (not a "screen" like they have now)
Engineer a bigger more robust oil pump to handle more volume and pressure and route all the a/t fluid through a heavy duty cooler.
Redesign all the clutch pacs with thicker more durable 'Kevlar' type of material.
Solve the internal drain back problem of the torqe converter. (this one's easy, the after market already has the solution)
Have a servicable external fluid filter to catch any metal and other circulating debris before it gets into the main internals and plugs up the solenoid screens.
This filter would be changed at service intervals just like the other fluids or sooner by any DIY owner. (Also, already solved and available to anyone with $14.00)
Personally, I have always suspected the Z1 Honda fluid as part of the problem, Honda has quietly dropped it after 10 years of telling everyone that if you used anything else, your a/t would melt and you would be stranded forever in a dark world surrounded by Amsoil Sales Zombies.
I'm sure there are more suggestions out there so feel free to add to this list.
With that being said, I am trading it in and getting a Toyota Sienna.
Honda Has 'Week From Hell' After Laundry List of Recalls and Investigations
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Toyota Sienna's are not all bullet proof either, check out this Consumer Reports site for few, but not all of Toyota Sienna issues. (they also have forum sites just like this one on Honda's Time-Bomb-Transmissions.)
2004-2010 Toyota Sienna: Reliability
Trouble Spots
In many instances these trouble spots are Technical Service Bulletins posted by the manufacturer, however, we have our own expert looking at additional vehicle problems.
Audio system: The voice activated navigation system may add extra words when responding to the driver's request requiring reprogramming with an updated DVD. (2007)
Brake wear: The front brake pads do not last very long on vehicles subject to severe operation. (2004-08)
Check-engine light: A check engine light, possibly accompanied by drivability concerns, is likely due to a vacuum leak at the intake air control valve on the 3.3L V6 engine. (2004)
Check-engine light: Check engine light may come on due to failure of the air/fuel ratio sensor(s). (2005-06)
Cold-starting problems: Engine may not start in freezing weather due to fuel pump failure requiring replacement of the pump assembly. (2004-05)
Doors: The rear hatch door shudders in cold weather due to possible leak in the gas charged support rod (stay). A redesigned support is available. (2004)
Doors: Extra effort my be required to close the rear or sliding side power doors for which there are improved touch sensors. (2004-07)
Doors: The doors will not stay open because the welds for the door checks break and the company is extending warranty replacement to 5 years/100,000 miles. (2004-06)
Engine misfire: Misfires accompanied by the check engine light may be due to problems with one or more of the ignition coils. (2004)
Oil leak: Fluid may leak past the right side oil seal on the AWD transfer case. (2004-06)
Seat: If the rear seat won't stay stowed, a revised striker offers more positive engagement. (2004)
Steering problems: Steering effort increases as corrosion increases on steering column intermediate shaft due to road salt. (2004-06)
Transmission problems: The transmission gradually gets harder to shift, requiring installation of an improved cable assembly. (2004-05)
Windows: The side windows may rattle or quit working .
This table lists costs of likely repairs for comparison with other vehicles. The dollar amount includes the cost of the part(s) and labor (based on $50 per hour) for the typical repair without extras or add-ons. Like the pricing information, replacement costs can vary widely depending on region. Expect charges at a new-car dealership to be slightly higher.
Item Name Repair Cost
A/C Compressor $1,320
Alternator $780
Automatic Transmission or Transaxle $3,460
Brakes $1,320
Clutch, Pressure Plate, Bearing $0
Constant Velocity Joints $1,450
Exhaust System $890
Radiator $920
Shocks and/or Struts $2,300
Timing Chain or Belt $830
The dealership offered me a 10% discount on a 3rd transmission, so the price would be $4800 instead of $5300... big deal!! My mechanic gave me the same thing for $2600.
Nobody should every buy a Honda again. up until a few years ago, they were handling these problems consistently and somewhat fairly. Then they made a decision to stop helping their customers because of the cost. They have destroyed their reputation for reliability and quality by treating each customer differently and having no consistency in their decisions. by not admitting to defective transmissions and doing a recall, they have forever lost my trust.
American Honda Motor Company broke my heart. i welcome anyone who wants to hear more or discuss this with me, to give me a call.
Tom
612-250-2163
dan
what are the syptoms for bad thrust bearing in my 2000 odyssy? could you tell me how to replace thrust bearing in my 2000 odyessy?
dan
I guess stay away from any trans flush like your mechanic said...I wish I would have known this before I told them to go ahead and do it.
Any problems with the second and third gears connecting properly?
anyone can shed light on this?
dan
I had my transmiison replaced at 184,000 kms (112,119 miles) and I currently have 316,000 kms (192,551 miles). I only replaced the transmisson once and have an after-market cooler from a trailer company; but I do not haul any trailers not have a hitch.
I am guessing they rebuild in house and supply a new torque converter?
I know there are some companies that sell upgraded rebuilds (and there seem to be improvements that can be done, that Honda does not implement on their rebuilds), and you just have to find someone to install it.
And while all this is going on, adding a mangafine (sp?) external filter and a good trans cooler seems to be an obvious add-on. Probably not going to add much if anything to the labor costs.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
In late 2008 a dashboard light went on indicating a problem. To make a long story short, my dealer (with whom I have been pretty satisfied in general) told me that there was a transmission recall going on, and that Honda would replace my transmission free.
I was ecstatic to be saving almost $5,000 but also annoyed that I had almost missed the cutoff date for the free exchange because my dealer had told me that the light was probably just indicating that I had not put on my gas cap correctly. “Wait a month or so and let us know if the light goes back off,” I was told.
Well, my original transmission was as 82,672 miles when they changed it our for the “new” one. Apparently even though the transmission was still working at 82,672 miles it was still thought to be likely defective. After the “new” one was put in, it lasted exactly 52,681 miles, 30,000 less than the defective one! Hmm, gives one pause to think: why take one out that is still good at 82,672 miles and replace it with one that’s worse!
This just happened last week, and I am currently awaiting a response from my dealer, who said he would talk to their Honda rep and get back to me. I am guessing that they will tell me “Too bad” in which case I plan to speak to a lawyer friend of mine to see if anything can be done. I cannot afford $4,500 for a repair, let alone a repair that is necessary only because Honda has not gotten its act together regarding these incessantly recurring transmission problems!
I will keep you all informed of what transpires. And I will be calling Tom later, who was kind enough to put his phone number on his posting. Mine is 608-332-6287, if anyone wants to get in touch with me.
Peter
My outcome was similar but not the same as yours, it turns out. I also am going to be paying not $4,800 but rather half of that only. However, in my case I had my dealer talk to their Honda rep for me, and the Honda rep (or whomever he represents) will be paying the other half.
One thing that my dealer pointed out to me was that, since I the replacement transmission I got at 86,000 + mileage was free for both parts and labor, and since I'm now at 135,000 mileas +, having to fork out $2400 doesn't seem so bad. Part of his meaning is that if I sell the car one day, I can legitimately mention the the transmission is relatively new, and that is, apparently, the most expensive replacement one would ever have to do on an Odyssey.
If you want to chat about the issue, feel free to call me at 608-332-6287. Here's wishing you a good holiday season.
Peter
was there an official honda transmission recall ? for what years? and does it cover anything over 100k miles?
also, was your cars at time of first bad tranmission dirvable or just irratical in changing gears
i have 2000, bought it with 120k , started the trans problms at 130, was still drivable, but getting worse. but after many research, i cleaned the linear and shift selonoids and car drove much better and drove more on it until now at 155k almost. did any of your dealers indicated anything about selonoids?
the funny thing that an odyssey with good trans of these years worse at best 3000 dollars, and to spend 4000 on tranmission is really a scandal .. no more hondas here
How long should these transmissions last if there were no issues whatsoever?
Do the minivans of Toyota, Chrysler, Nissan (2012 now built only in Japan), GM, Ford (Ford usually broke at 102,000 kms) expect to last a lifetime (what mileage is a lifetime?). If not a lifetime then how long?
There are some owners that have had no issues but how many miles/kilometes did they trade it in?
your questions need consumer roport to beable to answer.. , but if you find out, lets know
dan
If I were you I would be getting rid of it NOW while it's still working. Another re-build would cost as much (or more) than the van's worth as a trade in.
(I hear good things about the new Chrysler a/t's in the newer Caravans and Town and Country.) It's only taken them 25 years to figure it out..hopefully.
I still have my old 1992 Dodge Mini Van ( worst a/t's ever built) that we use with the back seats out for nasty hauling and bad winter weather. It's AWD 3.3 V-6 ES with a set of 4 winter tires. Would like to retire it but it just keeps on starting and going when everything else is stuck in the yard or dead in the ditch.
Our 2003 Honda Odyssey EX-L (bought new) sulks in the garage as I'm afraid to trust it to go anywhere, that van has no soul, never has.
I had a good talk with one of the top 30 year veterans from one of these shops after having a transmission failure in my 03 Honda Odyssey. Here is what he told me.
" Pursue the lawsuit if you must, but to get your tranny fixed properly, do not go to the dealership for the rebuild. Here's why: Honda is doing a repair not a rebuild. This means that if third gear has gone out, they will repair that one gear, throw it back together and call it a rebuild. No wonder people are having to take their tranny's back two and three times.
Honda is using a very different clutch plate. It has a soft material that wears off quickly and gets slippery smooth. There is nothing else like it and yet the after market clutch plates are hard like they should be."
He further told me that he had rebuilt hundreds of these with no failures or returns. So the key here is to NOT use factory clutch discs/plates, but quality after market discs. He also mentioned that the spline going down through the center of the tranny has a bushing in it that must hold air. He said most of the time Honda and others will not fix this. He spreads that bushing out till it holds air and he said that will last forever. If this leaks air, it can cause pressure problems in the tranny which results in shifting problems and possible slippage and failure. I asked if this was just a cheap under rated tranny for this vehicle prone to failure and that after having it fixed if he thought I should sell the van and move on to something different / better? He said NO! Honda makes a great vehicle and the motors in these vans is of the best in the industry. Once the tranny is fixed right, it will be worth keeping till you run it in the ground.
I hope this helps and that you have good success in your future rebuilds.
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