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Has anybody noted the latest J.D. Power survey indicating Lexus is no longer the top rated luxury vehicle and how Korean products are filling the niche in the mid and ------
what is the top ten order from the J>D> Power survey ?
who is on top now , if not lexus , etc ?
mitchell rowe
Tricky, I'll be ecstatic if my brain functions as well when I'm 80. I enjoy your posts; please keep them coming.
1. Time: The best opinions are those given from experience over a considerable time. Quicky opinions are very suspect as ljflx posted earlier here. Opinions of new "owners" are often prejudiced as they prove how smart their decision was.
2. Prejudice: Better opinions are those given without compensation or preconceived bias. Thus I trust opinions posted here more than car magazines and especially companies paid by those seeking a rating.
3. Annactdotal Opinions can be useful but are best if backed up with numerous concurring opinions. From what I see here I'd say the new LS 460 is a terrific luxury car.
4. Fools: As Mark Twain once wrote: Each of us knows it all, and knows he knows it all--the rest, to a man, are fools and deluded.
Happy fathers day to all you fathers out there.
These are the things that really annoy me about Lexus management...the reason I keep harpng about reliability. Why won't they listen, and create action to improve the product rather than continuing to hawk that silly park-o-matic feature? Did anybody else notice the repeated commercial on yesterdays' U. S. Open with the 2 champagne tower parking episode?
We have no particular time schedule. Will the prices drop significantly later this year as the 08 models are available? Or, are the deep discounts I read about on this thread related more to the change from the 06 430 model to the 07 460?
Thank you for your help.
rlc
Probably your best deal will be on a demo. Good luck!
Best luck on whatever you decide.
Renny
One reason for trading my 460L were these quirky experiences. I became convinced such occurrences could not be solved by the local dealer, and Lexus HQ did not show much interest even with their claim for the relentless pursuit of perfection. It was torturous getting them to diagnose and repair a demonstrateable fault when my inside trunk release failed. That experience required 3 days and repeated demonstrations to varied service personnel before action was taken..."are you sure you haven't disabled the switch within the glove box?"
The most frequent malfunction on the car I traded was the windshield wiper activation for no apparent reason. My sister in law has exactly the same behavior from her 460 and she lives 3000 miles away.
i am sympathetic to your problem ('s )
as you might know , i sold my LS460 with 2200 miles
and all but two lexus automobiles in the second quarter .
i am not in a position to give advice of any sort , however i can say , on the microprocessor vein ...
BE CAREFUL WHEN IN DRIVE , AT A STOP , WITH FOOT ON THE BRAKE , THAT THE ENGINE DOESN'T GO FROM IDLE SPEED IN GEAR TO + 200 OR SO RPM'S HIGHER . this action can cause
physical repercussions . it happened to me many times without notice . mitchell rowe
Bottom line for me is; if I buy another LExus, it'll be an 08, not an 07.
tricky73, I think the power is not totally off, there must be some power to certain circuits, else how could the car respond to the remote door control? And as long as power is still available to a microprocessor, it seems possible that some design error (hardware or firmware) could cause such a malfunction.
Renny (ex-hardware-and-firmware designer)
As I have said for several months, the disappointing thing is the seeming disinterest on the part of Lexus HQ to catalog such reports and query this database occasionally to see what needs attention. The excellent reputation established by the LS 4XX series has (rightfully) been achieved from many years of experience and attention to problems reported by their customers.
I doubt the handsome "L" grille adornment will be the only attribute needed to remain on top of the heap in the future relating to reliability and customer satisfaction.
I just got finished a phone discussion with the Service Manager of Newport Lexus and I am in a state of shock. I was informed that there is NO fix for the wind noise problem for the LS460. The service manager stated that they had a meeting with the Lexus district manager yesterday and he officially advised that Lexus has tried a number of fixes for the wind noise issue and none of them was successful - and that included replacing the windows and molding. After expressing my dissatisfaction, I was told to take the matter up with Lexus corporate.
Has anyone been told something different??? Any thoughts on how to proceed?
Based on experiences I had with the 460 I became convinced this design is not ready for market, and dumped it in favor of a 450h. I too had wind noise in addition to numerous electrical problems, plus an intense dislike for that damn park-o-matic feature that didn't work. To Lexus' credit, they did refund $700 paid for the parking assist. Before a howl arises from numerous cheer leaders on this thread, I admit perhaps I got a bad one; but apparently I am not the only one disappointed with Lexus' attitude on this model, and hope owners with more years left to fight Corporate than I have will persevere.
Again I would advise those driving an LS 4XX if you are satisfied with it, be cautious in replacing it with a 460...you may be quite disappointed if it ever requires something more complicated than an oil change.
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you wrote : quote : The service manager stated that they had a meeting with the Lexus district manager yesterday and he officially advised that Lexus has tried a number of fixes for the wind noise issue and none of them was successful - and that included replacing the windows and molding.
Any thoughts on how to proceed?
YES ... i have many thoughts on how to proceed .
the most prominent thought is internal ; as follows :
Keep the windows and molding , but ..............
throw out the rest of the poor excuse for a car .
mitchell rowe
clublexus.com
By contrast the outgoing sound, picked up by the two microphones above the rear view mirror, seems to be very good. People have told me that they can hear me very clearly.
Just wondering if the 460 improved the incoming sound quality.
Any opinion on applying the Magna Shield for ext. paint and interior protection?
How about buying into three years extended warranty?
Assitance is appreciated.............. :confuse:
I am thinking of getting a Lexus 460.. but there's a lot of discussion about this "wind noise" problem. I test drove one the other day which was shipped in July..so I guess the newer ones built. What exactly is the wind noise.. is it just wind noise we usually hear with cars in high speed or is it something different? I did notice hearing some wind blowing but is it a defect or is it just normal for a car.. cuz I can here wind noises on Audi or other cars in high speed too?
Thanks for your help.
On my 430, most mornings I set the temp to 74, and in the afternoons I change it to 77. That has given me the best results. Does the 460 still need this kind of attention?
Renny
Lexus wants us to BUY new cars and trade the old cars in for a depreciated value.
When I spoke to the birmingham general manager...he yelled at me on the phone and they refuse to let us talk with the district manager
the repairs don not work and the district managers will notrespond to requests for action.
Have you driven the car yet? Keep in mind that my comments about the ride and handling are on an air suspensioned car with the car mainly driven in sport mode. I get the feeling Lexus is making the air suspension car easier to get in 2008. So you may want to try and test drive one. If I remember right you have an air suspension ultra don't you?
BTW - I don't know of anyone that has a wind noise issue and I know 8 LS460 owners in my town. Clearly some folks seem to have it on early edition cars. But on my car the only way you'll get a wind noise is to open the window. Car is as quiet as a mouse and is a dream ride.