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Honda Odyssey Engine Problems
I have a '06 Odyssey Touring and it pings/knocks when I first drive it. The sound is very similar to to the sound that a car makes when driving a manual uphill without downshifting to a proper gear. I've been searching both Carspace/Edmunds and the internet in general and I found about a dozen incidents being written up in forums and may affect many more cars. If you have the same issue, please contribute to this discussion.
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Since that time, I have heard there was a TBS regarding this issue. www.mycarstats.com refers to a bulletin 1002, but I have to pay to get a copy. Does anyone have experience with this problem or know if there is a place to view TBS info without a purchase?
Thanks
The car is a 2004. Now, the RPM's are racing when in park or in idle. Also, I get only about 15 mi. to the gallon. I am disappointed. Anyone have a clue about the rpm's?
The EGR problems cost me $500 and I don't know how much the idle problem will cost me! Can't trust dealer and now we can't even trust a Honda car. whoelse could I turn to?
Thanks for any reasonable explanation or guidance.
:mad: in VA
Sorry to hear about your Odyssey. Too bad you didn't read the forums before buying. Unfortunatley you will most likely have to live with the vibration problem.
I'm assuming you have an EX-L or higher model with the VCM. Also, did you just buy an '06 or '07?
Our '06 had the engine mounts replaced to attempt fixing the droning defect. The '05 & '06 Odysseys had bad mounts that collapsed after a short period of operation. This repair was also supposed to smooth out the engine vibrations at idle. Didn't fix the vibration or the droning defect.
Here is a link discussing the collapsed engine mountslink title
There are many theories about this vibration problem. One theory is the active engine mount controller software has a glitch/bug & forgets to set the mount back to "idle" after running on 3 cylinders (highway).
We are going to court in the Fall for our Lemon Odyssey :lemon: 5 repair attempts for the droning defect. Good luck & keep us posted. Also, don't accept the problem...keep fighting, unless you have enough money to sell the car.
Thanks for your help....I made a mistake in the car's year of make...it is an '07. Do you know what kind of rights I have as a consumer on this matter??
Just be thankful you have an '07 and the droning defect has been pretty much been eliminated. Your car has the new stronger transmission & the shift points were changed (maybe to avoid the 2000 rpm harmonic drone on the highway).
At the end of the day, you still made a good purchase (for a van). The Odyssey holds its value & is a very safe vehicle. Maybe if Honda gets enough complaints on the '07 they will try fixing the vibration 100% this time.
My 2003 Odyssey has the same problem as you described. Please share your experience and solution. Thanks for your help in advance!
Best Regards,
Daniel Szeto
Boston, MA
but here is the wise thought.
my vehicle just hit 85K miles and I decided to change timing belt myself, I replace all the parts related to this function also, from tensionner to rollers.etc.
while disecting my front motor, I noticed that my right side engine mount was very bad also. the main discovered that the timing are not perfect!
After all the new parts and belts back in places and timing correctly to the marks. My engine now is much smoother then EVER before, more power and noticeable gas saving from $50.00 weekly down to $40 in the past three weeks.
Thought, I have to put back the broken engine mount, because the work was done in the long weekend and the parts dept. was closed. but the engine has No vibration at all. still waiting Ebay shipping the new motor mount.
Here is the list of my problem right after I bought new in 02:
* Idle unstabe (engine like misfire for a flash of a second, but noticable.
* Idle RPM at 900 and above.
* some what vibrations at any RPM, more noticed at idle
* when hard accelerate slightly Vales noise like.
All of this problems was noticed after a month of brand new
After tmiming belt replaced and ajusted. all the problems listed above DISAPPEARING.
the Idle RPM is now at 700 (adjust by it self).
like I said, the engine is running smoother then EVER before.
Friday, I drove the car 2 miles got out and fan came on. I thought it strange but had no idea. Drove another 4 miles and a/c quit. Thought probably the same problem it had been hit by a stone again. 3 miles later the van sounded like a diesel truck and was overheating so I pulled over and all the lights were on.
Dealership says the radiator fan was somehow damaged causing a hole in the radiator and it is not covered under warranty. Is this a Ody problem? Are stones breaking the fans? I am more concerned for the engine because they said the temp reached 350 degrees. Any thoughts?
Thanks
The van supposedly had the ignition switch service bulletin accomplished in 2002.
Your insurance policy sets out the requirements for OEM and aftermarket parts. On what is basically a 4 YO vehicle, they will most likely only pay for aftermarket parts. But on the positive side, the insurer typically covers the part for the life of the vehicle.
You can offer to pay the repair shop the difference between OEM and aftermarket if you are concerned about it.
I requested a Honda OEM windshield recently & the insurance company shot it down - no way they said.
Am I understanding correctly that there was a TSB on this item?
Thanks,
Paul N
To make a long story short, Honda says "our engines don't blow up, you must have run it without oil" We're in to it for $800 of 'diagnostic' work and just learned that the 60,000 mile power train warranty is only for '06 and later models. (the only reason I went to the dealer was because I'd seen many websites touting Honda's 5yr/60,000 mile powertrain warranty)
Anyone heard of this before... I know it's not common. That's why I bought a Honda. (It sure was painful to watch our practically new beautiful van hauled away on the back of a tow truck.)
I'm having the same problems on my 07 Touring, so it's not just the non-VCM Odysseys. I even tried 92 octane.
My dealer worked on my van's preingition problem for 3 weeks with a Honda Canada Rep. as he said that they have another brand new EX-L on the lot that is also " pinging" badly. They replaced/swapped everything they said they could think of. So I took it to another dealer here in town and same thing; so back on the phone to Honda Corp.
Mine is a lease so I said, to Honda Corp.,if you don't fix it now you can have the piece of crap back once it burns holes in the pistons or valves and then you need to give me another van! Their reply was that they don't know why some Odysseys are "pinging" and they want us to keep driving it until it does break down so they have a better ideal of what is causing it. What??? So I'm to be your test mule? Nice way to stand behind your product!!!
The part that I don't get is that my van was fine for the first 17,000 Km or 10,500 Miles before it started having the pre-ignition problem. So something had to have gone wrong instead of it being wrong from the start....I assume. But the EX-L that my dealer claims has the extact same problem is brand new.
I guess the good thing is that the problem seems to only be on a few of these vans, the bad news it that the buggers can't/ won't fix it and you may not know if you have one yet. Actually there probably is a few thousand more of them but the average person won't recognize the sound or be able to distinguish it and not know that it will eventualy and inevitably destroy the engine.
The knock sensor is supposed to prevent this from happening.
The problem is real! Honda Canada and my dealer said that it is indeed a pre-ignition noise. They don't no why it's doing it, and they don't know how to fix it!!!!
The problem is defined by Wikipedia in 2 ways but the result are the same :
Knocking (also called pinging)-
Colloquially detonation—in internal combustion engines occurs when air/fuel mixture in the cylinder has been ignited by the spark plug and the smooth burning is interrupted by the unburned mixture in the combustion chamber exploding before the flame front can reach it. The engineered combusting process ceases, because of the explosion, before the optimum moment for the four-stroke cycle. The resulting shockwave reverberates in the combustion chamber, creating a characteristic metallic "pinging" sound, and pressures increase catastrophically. It can range from hardly noticeable to complete engine destruction.
Detonation or pre-ignition-
The fuel/air mixture is normally ignited slightly before the point of maximum compression to allow a small time for the flame-front of the burning fuel to expand throughout the mixture so that maximum pressure occurs at the optimum point. The flame-front moves at roughly 33.5 m/second (110 feet/second) during normal combustion[citation needed]. It is only when the remaining unburned mixture is heated and pressurized by the advancing flame front for a certain length of time that the detonation occurs. It is caused by an instantaneous ignition of the remaining fuel/air mixture in the form of an explosion. The cylinder pressure rises dramatically beyond its design limits and if allowed to persist detonation will damage or destroy engine parts.
Consequences of Knocking or Pre-ignition
Engine knocking has disastrous consequences for the engine, since it leads to the catastrophical wear of the combustion chamber walls, through particle wear for moderate knocking, to welding for serious knocking. This is due to the contact between those walls and high temperature gases resulting from the unwanted explosion. The processes also lead to a 'knocking' noise for the engine, that give its name to the phenomenon.
A big problem us owners are having is finding enough of us to recognize our vans have this problem and to make Honda do something about it - I think they should buy the vans back and do the research on them that is required to fix all of them.
MANY THANKS and HAPPY HOLIDAYS!!
Honda US - 1-800-999-1009
Honda Canada - 1-888-946-6329
Honda Europe - 01753590590
Let them know you will never buy a honda again.
This 2007 Odyssey is my third Honda in 10 yrs. If they do not remedy this pinging issue, it will be my last.
Does anyone know what this noise is and how to solve the problem?
I have another appointment tonight with a different dealer. After, hearing all of your stories I do not feel very confident that Honda will do anything to fix it but.....I'll keep you posted.
our last visit, they replaced the heat shield as there was a service memo that had a pinging condition at 1500 to 2200 rpm. but we just got it back and it still makes the noise.
I'll try the Honda numbers you provided earlier. Have you gone to arbitration on the vehicle?
bottom line is we're not happy whatsoever with the vehicle, especially given the amount of hard-earned money it cost!
the service manager even said to us: even if there is a noise, it's under warranty and if it doesn't effect the driveability, what's the big deal? I went off and just said that Honda could come pickup the vehicle after I stop making payments.
:mad: :sick: :lemon:
I took it to a mechanic and he advised it's a TPS problem and it needs to be replaced.He tried cleaning it up, but that did not help.The sensor its self cannot be replaced without replacing the whole throttle body unit. Is it hard to replace it? Are there any codes to erase once the part has been replaced? The estimated cost parts and labor is $850.00. Am I being ripped off.