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Is Cadillac's Image Dying and Does Anyone Care?

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  • mediapushermediapusher Posts: 305
    In answer to your quesetion.............

    GM cars that I have owned??:
    ----```` Pontiac Grand AM --1994```-------
    ONCE WAS ENOUGH. NEVER, AND I MEAN NEVER AGAIN...

    Problems with car:
    1. Water pump failed after 2 years

    2. Holes accumulated in buttons on conrol panel due to repeated use and because they were hollow :lemon: :sick: (I HAD NEVER HAD THIS HAPPEN WITH ANY OTHER CAR BEFORE OR SINCE)

    3. Electric motors in not one, but 2 of the windows failed :lemon:

    4. Electrical system problems. Battery wouldn't hold a charge. It was only 2 years old. Shouldn't batteries last at least 4 or 5 years??

    5. Car had excessive body lean and roll :lemon:

    6. Cheap feeling switch gear. What's it made out of , plastic? :lemon:

    7. Car had a distinctly cramped feeling to interior

    8. Squeaks and rattles. Mickey mouse construction...

    9. Cheap and hollow plastics throughout the interior everywhere. Grotesque...

    Disgusting......GM cars are what you buy when you are down. I hope I'm never that down again.

    After two and half years, bought a Honda Accord, and thought I died and went to heaven...

    There are plenty that will try and swindle me into the idea that GM cars have changed. Oh? Have they really? 2.5 weeks ago I rented a 2007 Chevy Impala-not a precision crafted autombile by any stretch of the imagination. You can scroll back and find my review. It isn't worthy of retyping or copying and pasting for that matter.
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    by plekto Apr 16, 2007 (2:09 pm)
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    Mediapusher, give us dates and models of GM cars you owned. Tell us what the problems with each one was BESIDES STYLING OR HOW IT DROVE. Mechanical problems only.
  • rockyleerockylee Wyoming, MichiganPosts: 13,989
    Oh my gawd :\ the humanity. Somebody shoot me now please. I can't handle this torture. :\ The V-8-6-4-tech is what caused massive defections from Cadillac. Are you aware of that? It wasn't ready for market when released, and not surprisingly was a maintenance nightmare. Apparently you're fine with GM using the U.S.A. public as "guinea pigs".

    Yes it was a troubled engine but GM, probably could never predict the problems they would encounter. It's like your Toyota's you love so much that sludge up. :P

    In response to my earlier posts people see nothing wrong with comparing SUVs to cars. This strikes ME as strange.

    Well not as strange as some of the comparo's sone unique members make on here. ;)

    How anyone can sit here with a straight face and claim the Cadillac Catera wasn't a lemon is preposterous. I'll let you WASTE your money and I'll use mine wisely.

    It was actually a nice comfortable car. It was the founding father to the CTS. The Opels, main problem was not the styling orinterior which it employed a fairly nice one but it was severely under powered. ;)

    The CTS was a top selling car. It's reliability has always been average. Cadillac is fine with that . It's not selling because of the reasons you mentioned I agree, yet Cadillac will do nothing to speed up the release schedule for spring or summer. This is NOT good marketing.

    Kinda like Toyota, speeds up the redesigns on their trucks and SUV's to meet market conditions. :confuse: The Land Cruiser, hasn't been changed in what 10 years ? My god that thing is like 3 generations behind and only sells respectably because it's so over-hyped and lives off it's past achievements. If GM, dared leave a vehicle on the market that long they would be squashed by the auto press every chance they got. ;)

    And I don't have a wife, so I don't know what you're talking about. I have a husband.

    I always thought you were a male ? :confuse: I don't see what he said that made you get so defensive on the subject of Cadillac. Your like a vulture and pick at every bad bone Cadillac, has ever had. What's next are you going to start talking about flaws Cadillac, had when they started up the company ? :sick:

    Rocky
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 18,371
    >It (Catera) was actually a nice comfortable car. It was the founding father to the CTS. The Opels, main problem was not the styling orinterior which it employed a fairly nice one but it was severely under powered.

    I know two people who have one. They love it. They both have had some maintainance and still love the car!

    >Kinda like Toyota, speeds up the redesigns on their trucks and SUV's to meet market conditions. The Land Cruiser, hasn't been changed in what 10 years ? My god that thing is like 3 generations behind and only sells respectably because it's so over-hyped and lives off it's past achievements. If GM, dared leave a vehicle on the market that long they would be squashed by the auto press every chance they got

    You know by now that some people are very myopic about their car company. They go with the current trend and are not trendsetters themselves. Do those Land Cruisers and 4-runners get 40 mpg like some believe all Toyotas get? No. But they have no flaws to the lemmings.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 18,371
    >GM cars that I have owned??:
    ----```` Pontiac Grand AM --1994```-------
    ONCE WAS ENOUGH.

    Now it's once. Before it sounded like a whole group.

    >1. Water pump failed after 2 years

    Stuff happens. Toyotas and Hondas also have water pumps and they fail. Sometimes maintenance is a factor.

    >Electric motors in not one, but 2 of the windows failed

    Sometimes mechanics don't troubleshoot, they just replace. There have been problems with motors weakening after _years_ of use in more than small GMs. But often it's maintenance like runs not lubed, wiring and connection problems, adjust of the tracks in the door...

    >4. Electrical system problems. Battery wouldn't hold a charge. It was only 2 years old.

    Sometimes batteries fail. Another manager had their Volvo battery fail early. Cost them $250. Sometimes driving patterns and accessory use causes continual drain on battery which never gets fully recharged. Again maintenance would be recharging battery if the Delco eye indicates it's running at below hydroscopic solution density.

    >5. Car had excessive body lean and roll

    Were tires up to correct pressure or above? And sometimes heavy driver and passenger weights can cause excessive body roll.
  • mediapushermediapusher Posts: 305
    Some people didn't believe me earlier when I spoke about Sigma transmissions. So here is the link.

    Sigma transmisions for some of Cadillac's Sigma platform cars are built in FRANCE. The highly anticipated release of the 2008 Cadillac CTS will have it's transmission built in FRANCE

    Realizing these and other sweeping changes, even a diehard foreign origin car guy like me may soon purchase a Caddy.


    click--> Facts about Sigma Transmissions
  • grbeckgrbeck Posts: 2,361
    imidazol97: And sometimes heavy driver and passenger weights can cause excessive body roll.

    Based on your comments regarding the narrow design of Honda Accord seats, and the superiority of GM seats in this regard, one could surmise that heavier people favor GM cars, so the company should take this into account when tuning the chassis. ;)
  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 2,550
    "Disgusting......GM cars are what you buy when you are down"

    So - I must have been 'down' when I bought my Corvette, last Fall.

    Wow - I never knew being 'down' could feel so great!
    - Ray
    Feeling no need now to feel 'up' ever again......
  • sls002sls002 Posts: 2,788
    The five speed automatic is built in France, yes, probably because it was put into production for BMW. It is a GM transmission. However, the six speed automatic is built here in the USA. GM may use the plant in France to build six speed transmission too.

    While the 8-6-4 engine was a maintenance hog, I think that the replace engine, the 4100, was far worse for Cadillac's reputation. The 4100 had a design flaw that resulted in about 25% of the engines to fail. This design flaw was in production for about 3 or so years before it was figured out.
  • sls002sls002 Posts: 2,788
    according to GM's website, is built in the USA, not France.
  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 2,550
    Am I the only 1 seeing these 2 messages from yesterday as the 2 most recent posts???????
  • sls002sls002 Posts: 2,788
    The Allante sold at a rate of 3000 per year for the 7 years that it was in production. It was a FWD two passenger Cadillac based on the Eldorado platform. The Reatta was very similar, in that it was basically a two passenger version of the Riviera. Why GM put both into production is not clear to me. Why they thought shipping the Allante to Italy would make it a better car is also not clear to me.

    Both the Allante and Reatta were aimed at the two passenger luxury car market. I am sure GM expected to sell them to GM owners who wanted a two passenger luxury sporty model. I don't think they expected to owners of European luxury sporty models to trade them for one of the GM models.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 18,371
    Since I'm not above average width, I wonder if the Accord seats that I tested were made to give that feeling intentionally. I don't like it. I love the cloth and the leather seats in my full-sized cars. Others are welcome to their preference as long as they accept mine as one choice.

    Cadillac seats are superb.
  • nwngnwng Posts: 664
    caddy better be superb in every way when compare to a sub $20k accord
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,052
    Apparently you're fine with GM using the U.S.A. public as "guinea pigs"

    And Toyota didn't do the same with the hybrids that stalled while cruising down the Interstate? C'mon you have probably never owned a GM vehicle and most likely not a Cadillac. How does driving a Corolla 160k miles make you an expert on GM failures?
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,052
    Your "I remember" intro speaks volumes. What happened 55 years ago has nothing to do with want people want today when it comes to cars.

    Retro seems to be doing well. Take the PT Cruiser and HHR.
  • poncho167poncho167 Posts: 1,178
    "Disgusting......GM cars are what you buy when you are down. I hope I'm never that down again."

    That is pretty sad if thats really the way you think.

    If I were to buy a Toyota and had the so called problems that you had (Yes, read the Toyota forums for the complaints), I surely wouldn't be going to their forum crying foul and taking personal issue with the company. Based on your commentary I bet if this happened to your Toyota you would probably buy one again without jumping ship.
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,286
    There's some server hiccup being looked at that's causing some posts to get repeated. We're leaving the dupes for the IT folks to troubleshoot.

    Mediapusher, one reason the Escalade means Caddy to me more than the CTS is because I have trouble with the numeric names. I'd have to go find a photo to remind myself what the CTS looks like - the 'slade is lodged in my memory.

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  • rockyleerockylee Wyoming, MichiganPosts: 13,989
    So the truth finally leaks out. Did you slip up ?

    mediapusher, you always sounded like you owned more than one GM, car. The Grand-Am was a economy car back in 94'. Unfortunately, the Pontiac Grand-Am was a bad car. :(

    I can't think of a bad Cadillac, made since 94' ;)

    Rocky
  • grbeckgrbeck Posts: 2,361
    Actually, I find my father's Buick Park Avenue seats to be nice, too. I really like the heated seats feature.
  • lemkolemko Posts: 15,196
    Geeze! I didn't know I had it so bad! I have no credit card debt, no car debt, and no other debt besides a very modest mortgage payment. I have a well-paying job and even a decent part-time gig. If how I live is being down, being up must be absolutely mind-blowing! I guess I was down every time I bought a new Cadillac - January 1989, November 1993, and January 2002. Hard times indeed!
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,052
    I am with you. Being out of debt is the most refreshing feeling I know of. I will never pay another nickel in interest for a vehicle. Money down the toilet. Maybe a small home mortgage as long as the interest is deductible.
  • laurasdadalaurasdada Posts: 2,686
    Much to my surprise and horror, my father leased a new Caddy Catera (If I remember, a giveaway lease and he knew it was not so much a Caddy as a Europen Opel. He always dug Euro cars...).

    And he truly enjoyed driving it. He found it smooth, comfortable, liked the interior and thought it to be of adequate power. A great car to cruise in from FL to CT. This, of course, was when he was able to drive it. No more Caddy for him as the Catera spent A LOT of time in the shop. Unfortunately for Caddy/GM, the reliability of the Catera reinforced the perception of (poor) GM quality for him. Rather than the revelation of driving a GM product that he enjoyed caused him to rethink his position.

    I had one GM (Olds) car, in the early '90s, a company car. It struck me as basically the same car they had been building since the late '70s. At 11,000 miles the gas tank developed a severe leak. The tank had split at the top! Thanks, GM. Replaced with a Mercury Sable in '92. Nothing too bad to say other than a bit loud and underpowered. But much more to my liking than the Olds. And then a '95 Dodge Intrepid. Great style in and out. Poor build quality and much wind/road noise. But reliable. Lost job, kept car and had a good enough overall experience to:

    Yet, my mind has widened since I went crazy and bought a '99 Chrysler 300M. Loved it, no major issues. Restored my faith in domestics. Will check out the '08 CTS for consideration to replace my very cool '05 TL some day. If the evil wife lets me, that is... :cry:

    '13 Jaguar XF, '11 BMW 535xi, '02 Lexus RX300

  • lokkilokki Posts: 1,200
    One can't help but giggle at the idea that the 8-6-4-2-0 Caddy engine was a good engine or that the Catera was a good car.

    Here's what Edmunds has to say about V-8-6-4 variable displacement V8:

    Infamy came in 1981 with the introduction of the V-8-6-4 variable displacement V8. Based on the 6.0-liter Cadillac V8, the V-8-6-4 theory was that individual cylinders would be electronically shut down as engine loads varied; a V8 for acceleration, a V6 for moderate loads and a V4 during cruise. It would have been nice — if it had worked. Instead, it was a mechanical nightmare only slightly less embarrassing than the ongoing diesel debacle.
    Generations

    Saying that it was a good engine except for the problems is like saying the Hindenburg was a good aircraft except for the fire. It's true enough, but.......

    As for the Catera, well... here's what actual owners had to say about them at carsurvey.org

    And here's what Edmunds review for the 2000 Catera said

    So, is the Catera still one of the top five most foolish cars made? No, the car has seen enough improvements while simultaneously benefiting from the creation of even more foolish cars (can you say Pontiac Aztek or Toyota Echo?)

    Full Test: 2000 Cadillac Catera

    Again, gentlemen, you're entitled to opinions, but you're not entitled to rewrite history.....
  • plektoplekto Posts: 3,738
    The CTS was a top selling car. It's reliability has always been average. Cadillac is fine with that...
    ***

    Because... the CTS cost half what the imports do to repair. Compare the cost of say, even rotors on a 5 series or E-Class. Holy cow - they want HOW much? Or a transmission rebuild. $5K sounds like a bargain to me...

    See, the CTS you can safely OWN where the BMW you have to lease in order to keep from being eaten alive.

    ***
    Oh - and Mediapusher, I *knew* your story sounded like the typical "I had a bad GM car back in the middle ages and I know it's all crap - it always will be!" reaction we see all the time here.

    The only car GM makes that's as bad as the best cars they made back then is maybe the Cobalt or Aveo. Things have improved a lot since the early 90s.
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,286
    There must be a few icons in these Cadillac ads.

    Check out the Classic Car Bonanza Straightline blog for lots more old car pics and ads.

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  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,494
    75% North American parts content in a Cobalt. This per the window stickers, and in several places on the 'net. Wrong yet again, mediapusher.

    Bill
  • lemkolemko Posts: 15,196
    ...Cadillac tried three times for a small car and finally got it right.

    Cimmaron - Strike One!
    Catera - Strike Two!
    CTS -HOME RUN!!!
  • bumpybumpy Posts: 4,435
    Except that the CTS isn't a small car by any definition.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 18,371
    There are still a lot of Cateras around here. I think the owners just view them as BMW-like autos as far as maintainance. You gotta give 'em maintenance.
  • sls002sls002 Posts: 2,788
    The first small Cadillac was the mid-70's Seville, which was small compared to the 75-76 Deville. The downsized 77 Cadillacs were still bigger than the Seville, but the difference was smaller. The Seville was on a 114 inch wheelbase and 204 inches long by 72 wide. The Deville was on a 130 inch wheelbase and 231 inches long by 80 wide. The later 70's deVille's were about 10 inches shorter. The all new 1980 Seville was a bit longer than the first generation, but nearly the same size.

    Cadillac then wanted a compact car in the early 80's, which was the Cimarron. This car was a re-badged Cavalier, and was not much of a Cadillac. It would have been much better to have made the second generation Seville smaller than the first generation, but then it would not have been an E-body/platform model.

    The Catera was a hurry up quick, Cadillac needs a sport sedan to compare with the Lincoln LS. The Catera was not a compact car like the Cimarron. The CTS was a replacement for the Catera, which was a place holder, while Cadillac designed a real Cadillac sports sedan. We now have the CTS and STS sports sedans, plus a fairly good sports utility vehicle in the SRX.

    The point is that the first Seville was a small Cadillac, followed by a Cimarron. The Catera and CTS are not small Cadillacs, but really are sports sedans, something else entirely.
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