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Is Cadillac's Image Dying and Does Anyone Care?

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  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,681
    Cadillac Escalade truck - get rid of this stupid anachronism! It might've made sense back in the 1990s, but it's an embarrassment today. You don't see Toyota making a Lexus truck out of the Tundra!

    Sorry to be a spoiler. The new 2009 Sequoia is just that. It is a big Tundra based SUV 5.7L engine and all. Bigger than the Escalade/Tahoe.. I suppose they will build the new Land Cruiser to compete against the Suburban or even bigger than the Excursion.

    2009 Sequoia
  • british_roverbritish_rover Posts: 8,476
    SO what are you going to do reply to every post between now and June?

    Multiple back to back replies on a topic have always been my definition of insanity for online forums.

    EDIT second reply...

    Cadillac Escalade truck - get rid of this stupid anachronism! It might've made sense back in the 1990s, but it's an embarrassment today. You don't see Toyota making a Lexus truck out of the Tundra!

    Sorry to be a spoiler. The new 2009 Sequoia is just that. It is a big Tundra based SUV 5.7L engine and all. Bigger than the Escalade/Tahoe.. I suppose they will build the new Land Cruiser to compete against the Suburban or even bigger than the Excursion.

    2009 Sequoia


    He meant the Escalade EXT truck thing with the useless tiny bed in the back.

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    And I agree it is even stupider then the regular escalade.

    The new LX570 looks like a over inflated RAV4.

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  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,681
    My mistake. I agree the truck makes little sense. I see a quite a few of them. I should read closer before I post. lemko please accept my apology....... :sick:
  • british_roverbritish_rover Posts: 8,476
    What do you think about the LX570 equals over inflated RAV4?
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,681
    I think most all the SUVs have gone down hill in appearance. I like heavy duty frames and steel bumpers. The LX570 will have to be a big improvement over the last model to compete with the Escalade for handling and performance. To me the Land Rover and G500 from Mercedes are the only true luxury SUVs available in the USA. I doubt the LC/LX would hold up under the abuse an SUV should be built to sustain.

    I really do not like the looks of the RAV4. I think the CR-V is better looking. I think sales bear that out. I did go and sit in the Cadillac SRX. I liked the full length moon roof. I would not buy one as it is too small for my taste.
  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Posts: 6,048
    I agree the truck makes little sense. I see a quite a few of them

    Ahh, the truck makes little sense (avalanche/EXT), that is why we so many of them.

    The truck is a great truck for a contractor that needs the bed for his work stuff (with covered storage) AND needs the 2nd row seat for family, or workers, and if he sometimes hauls long items.
  • british_roverbritish_rover Posts: 8,476
    Ok if you have ever actually seen a contractor driving a Avalanche/EXT and actually using it to haul stuff I will eat my breakfast plate.

    There are plenty of other trucks that would make better use of the Crew Cab covered bed design then the EXT.

    The handful of them that I see that are actually owned by business people, taking the 6,000 lbs write off I am sure, that might actually use them as work vehicles aren't carrying anything bigger then a blueprint in the truck.

    The only version of this truck more stupid then the Caddy version is the Hummer one. The H2 SUT has a bed that is less then three feet long. Even with the midgate down it is only about 6 feet long and then you can only put long thin objects into the truck.
  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Posts: 6,048
    Ok if you have ever actually seen a contractor driving a Avalanche/EXT and actually using it to haul stuff I will eat my breakfast plate.

    The guy who built my house drives the avalanche and swears by it. It is both his work truck and his personal vehicle (his wife has the 2nd vehicle). Have a good snack.

    I was going to buy one also when I was going to go into a venture installing closet systems because it would be perfect for me. However I decided not to go into it.
  • british_roverbritish_rover Posts: 8,476
    The guy who built my house drives the avalanche and swears by it. It is both his work truck and his personal vehicle (his wife has the 2nd vehicle). Have a good snack.

    Yum Fiber... :surprise:

    I have never ever seen an Avalanche hauling anything in the bed let alone being used for work. They just aren't that popular in the Northeast though. I can't remember the last time I saw an avalanche on the road that wasn't on a dealer plate. There is a chevy dealer nearby me that only sells Trucks/Suvs, Vettes and Harleys along with assorted used cars so I see them on his front line sometimes.

    The last time I saw an EXT was a year and a half ago when I was appraising one for trade on a Range Rover.
  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Posts: 6,048
    have never ever seen an Avalanche hauling anything in the bed let alone being used for work

    Maybe because the cover is covering? He mostly uses it for hauling his power tools and stuff. The cover covers the stuff for securty. Otherwize he would have a pickup with a cap.
  • british_roverbritish_rover Posts: 8,476
    I never see these trucks period. Like I said the last time I remember seeing a EXT was over a year ago.

    I can't remember the last time I saw an Avalanche that wasn't a dealers car.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,681
    I just don't like all the foo foo plastic add-ons. I was looking forward to the Avalanche when it first came out. When I saw it at the fair I almost threw up I thought it was so ugly. I see more of them in So CA than I would like to. Including the Caddy and Lincoln PU trucks.

    TO each his own I guess. No dumber looking that the big 22inch wheels and tires on half the Vehicles down here.
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,937
    My nephew down in the Nashville area is a home contractor. He drives an Avalanche - loves all the lockable cubbies for hauling tools and stuff. He doesn't haul much in the way of building supplies in it - the supply companies deliver most of that stuff to the job site.

    He carries a lot of paperwork in his too. He'd probably like an Escalade just fine though. :shades:
  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 2,476
    In the Caddy STS forum here, I “requested” way back in 2005 and \ or 2006 that Caddy revamp their option and equipment availability policy – to allow configuration of what I’d call an STS GT. Less ( mandatory ) luxury and convenience options required before one could order the PCZ “Performance Handling Package” with the NorthStar V8.

    It appears that, with the introduction of the substantially upgraded V6 version of the 2008 STS, Caddy has in fact decided to allow something quite similar to what I had in mind back then.

    Essentially, I was looking for the highest \ best performance & handling equipment, without pushing MSRP well over $60K – for ‘stuff’ I really did not care that much about. ( Such as the Navigation system, Bose sound system, HIDs, rear heated seats, and a few other items. )

    This V6, with 300+ HP and a flat TQ curve, implying good general drivability in addition to that rather high specific output, mated to GM’s 6L50 6 speed automatic ( a version of the trans. in my Corvette ) intrigues me. Particularly with the imminent release of the CTS. ( Still waiting to see pricing. )

    ** IF ** the dynamics of the 2008 V6 STS are actually much as described in the previews I have read, and the quality ( mechanically & cosmetically ) is improved – in addition to the revamped interior & exterior. ( The 4 previews I have read so far, including 1 here on Edmunds, have been quite positive. )

    And ** IF ** the acceleration feel and handling feel of the V6 is truly as good as initial reviews, based on pre-production examples, is as good as reported. And the NVH control is refined.

    And ** IF ** the [ real world ] fuel mileage is reasonable.

    Etc.

    THEN, I see this as an advance toward Caddy making the STS a sales success. And building a base of [ very ] satisfied Caddy customers. I see potential to sell more V6 STSs than V8s, as has always been true – and these advancements sound like they’ll make the STS V6 something that will impress.

    And I also see this as a move toward making Caddy far more competitive – if not exactly “The Standard Of The World”. And certainly, if the V6 STS sells in larger numbers, and the upcoming CTS ( same motor available ) also becomes a sales success, these revenue stream enhancements ** MAY ** allow Caddy to invest in the other aspects that would push the Brand higher. If GM so chooses.

    I have asked the Internet Manager at my closest dealer to notify me when 2008 V6 STSs start arriving. I plan to test drive one, equipped as close as possible to how I’d buy one: 1SC, PDQ & PCZ. MSRP just under $55K. ( Where previously a V8 with PCZ had to be a 1SG, and had an MSRP well over $60K. A 2007 1SG – V8 w/Sunroof and premium paint currently on my Dealer’s lot lists at $62,940. That is without a HUD. And with no PCZ. )

    In addition to the larger ( Summer only ) tires & wider wheels & Brembo brakes, a 2008 STS V6 so equipped would even include a HUD – something previously only available bundled with (K59) Adaptive Cruise Control, and priced at something over $2,000. And again only available on the V8 with 1SG. I have had a HUD on past vehicles and have one on my Corvette – and appreciate the usefulness.

    It would include the Navigation system, heated AND VENTILATED front seats – and even a heated steering wheel. For a much more reasonable actual transaction cost. IMHO. And at a ‘penalty’ ( vs the V8 version ) of only 0.2 seconds in 0 – 60 acceleration. A difference I suspect very, very few could discern. IMHO.

    I see all this as Caddy making progress – movement in what I consider “The Right Direction”.
    Cheers,
    - Ray
    Willing to be convinced that this is a satisfying sedan to drive . . .
  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Posts: 6,048
    The cladding on the old model was optional.
  • mediapushermediapusher Posts: 305
    See? now you guys are acknowledging the incredibly dumb things that GM does, just like I did from the start, yet I don't see anyone bashing you.
  • mediapushermediapusher Posts: 305
    It looks like an overinflated RAV4 because that's what it is
  • cooterbfdcooterbfd Posts: 2,770
    That's because his statement wasn't totally overboard like most of yours are regarding Cadillac. BTW Caddy doesn't have to be the Standard of the World anymore. It will ALWAYS be the CADILLAC OF THE AUTOMOTIVE INDUSTRY.
  • mediapushermediapusher Posts: 305
    Yeah, "CADILLAC OF THE AUTOMOTIVE INDUSTRY" = "STYLE, BUT NO SUBSTANCE".
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,681
    You want substance with no style you can buy a ToyLex vehicle. This is not about the perfect vehicle. Though I must say, the Escalade comes close :)
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