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Is Cadillac's Image Dying and Does Anyone Care?

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  • mrsyjmrsyj Posts: 77
    "Perhaps if you are into chrome grills and Rock em Sock em Robot exterior lines. It's still ugly GM on the outside to me. Let's just say that looks are subjective and some have a taste for GM styling and others don't. "

    from my perspective only die hard GM bashers find the CTS unattractive. I agree that styling is subjective but sometimes almost everyone agrees a design is on point. The CTS is one of those cases. Even the most jaded anti GM press outlets have praised the car for its looks and I agree 100%. Its certainly more original and compelling than anything coming out of Lexus these days. Nice to see a design that doesnt seem to be copied from Mercedes or BMW.
  • mrsyjmrsyj Posts: 77
    "I think the CTS is a nice car. I'm glad GM has a potential winner on their hands. Yes it has good reviews, but it all comes down to sales. Hopefully it does well."

    Since its been on sale the 2008 CTS has outsold the C class, TL, IS, A4 and G35. I would say the car s doing just fine and will continue to do so. While there are many people who wont give the car a chance because its American and they hate American cars and would love to see GM go bankrupt, there are plenty of people who will drive a no excuse car like teh CTS. Read some of the consumer reviews right here on this site, many owners have traded in European cars. BTW, the CTS isnt too big compared to luxury cars like the E class, and 5 series. Its only big when compared to the compact 3 series and c class. I see nothing admirable about a compact luxury car that costs $40k. C&D noted the Civic is larger than the C class. While some people hold on to the notion that smaller means better handling we know there are plenty of midsize vehicles out here than handle just fine.

    Cadillac has been getting good reviews on their products since the 2003 CTS came out nearly 6 years ago. This isn't a new phenomenon. CAdillacs were criticized in the past for being too soft but they have never hit the quality lows than MB has hit in the last 10-15 years.
  • mrsyjmrsyj Posts: 77
    "Now we all know Mercedes has had its own quality problems of late. But that is just for the last 7 or 8 years? GM, well, quality issues have been a fact of life for about 30 years... "

    overstatement to say the least. We have no proof that GM has been making poor quality vehicles across the board for 30 years. In addition, lets remember that MB has never had a quality reputation equal to that of Lexus. In fact the Japanese luxury brands were the ones who taught the Euro brands that quality and customer service were important. Furthermore we know that GM quality is improving but I'm not sure we have much evidence of the same for MB. I would never exclude the CTS just because I thought MB made a better car than GM 30 years ago. That is irrelevant now. Right now all the surveys show Cadillac has better service and quality than Mercedes and thats all that matters.
  • bumpybumpy Posts: 4,435
    We have no proof that GM has been making poor quality vehicles across the board for 30 years.

    :surprise:

    Pffft. Shill.
  • louisweilouiswei Posts: 3,717
    We have no proof that GM has been making poor quality vehicles across the board for 30 years.

    You were doing just fine until that statement (well, except saying that Lexus' L-Finesse design is copied from BMW and MB. You need an eye check).

    True color always shows...
  • aldwaldw Posts: 82
    It's not incorrect, as GM even during Roger Smith's time still had vehicles like the Buick T-types and such that could take a licking and keep on ticking to an extent that would destroy a foreign make. What GM lacked was more along the lines of fashionableness and marketing.
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 40,862
    ...make it personal.

    Reasonable people can disagree, and sweeping generalizations can be fallacious.

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  • mrsyjmrsyj Posts: 77
    "We have no proof that GM has been making poor quality vehicles across the board for 30 years."

    Across the board? There is no evidence. We do know that GM quality wasnt as good as Toyota quality in the past but that is not the same as saying every GM product ever made in the last 30 years was junk. My personal experience and the experiences of other car owners I know are proof of that. Gm had a problem with inconsistent quality but you cannot argue that they never made a quality vehicle until 2006 or 2007. I really havent heard much about MB quality other than Lexus sent them back to the drawing board after showing them luxury cars could be reliable.

    I'm not going to evaluate current offerings based on twisted perceptions of automotive qualityin the 80s nor am I going to base it on what people are the country club are going to think. The whole "but its a Mercedes" argument doesn't mean much to me when comparing luxury vehicles. I would take the CTS over the C class and the STS over the E class any day of the week. The supposed unreliability of 30 year old GM cars wouldn't affect my decision, nor would the fact that some friends would "respect" me more if I didnt drive a Cadillac. Frankly, the luxury cars that are revered by those in the 50s and 60s may not be what I want to be driving. I like the looks of the C and the E and to some degree the S, but none of them have the visual appeal of the CTS and none of them convey my youth the way the CTS would. Not that I can afford any of them.

    If Mercedes is the superior car company with the superior legacy of reliability and engineering then the C class should have more power than the CTS, more quality than the CTS, a better interior than the CTS and more features. It comes up short on all counts and Edmunds' long term car has had a malfunctioning sunroof already. I'll take my chances on a CTS with a warranty. I dont plan to keep any car for 200k miles so the chance that the C will get to that mark and the CTS supposedly wont is irrelevant to me.
  • mrsyjmrsyj Posts: 77
    "You were doing just fine until that statement (well, except saying that Lexus' L-Finesse design is copied from BMW and MB. You need an eye check). "

    Never said that. I honestly cant say where L-finesse came from, but I will say its not pretty and it looks rather juvenile for its price point. Overall Lexus designs are heavily influenced by MB and to a lesser extent BMW designs. Lexus has never been known for styling innovation and I suspect they never will. You wont mistake an STS or CTS for a GErman car.
  • Since its been on sale the 2008 CTS has outsold the C class, TL, IS, A4 and G35. I would say the car s doing just fine and will continue to do so.

    I think the car will do well also. I still don't understand why a car that's the size of a C ad E is compared to smaller cars (C and 3) and priced right along with those smaller cars. At that price it SHOULD do well.

    While there are many people who wont give the car a chance because its American and they hate American cars and would love to see GM go bankrupt, there are plenty of people who will drive a no excuse car like teh CTS

    I never said they wouldn't. You asked me for reasons why some wouldn't buy the CTS and get the C instead and I gave you some. What's the problem?

    BTW, the CTS isnt too big compared to luxury cars like the E class, and 5 series. Its only big when compared to the compact 3 series and c class.

    I originally compared the car to the C Class. The E & 5 were never part of our original convo. The car is the size of an E and 5, but priced like the 3 and C and compared to them also. I wonder how the CTS would fare if it were PRICED like the E and 5? We'll never know, but my guess would be sales would drop.

    I see nothing admirable about a compact luxury car that costs $40k.

    That's nice. :confuse:

    Cadillac has been getting good reviews on their products since the 2003 CTS came out nearly 6 years ago. This isn't a new phenomenon.

    I'm not so sure about that. The 1st Edmund's review on the CTS had it dead last against the Acura 3.2, Audi A4, BMW 330i, and G35.

    http://www.edmunds.com/apps/vdpcontainers/do/vdp/articleId=73569/pageNumber=17

    CAdillacs were criticized in the past for being too soft but they have never hit the quality lows than MB has hit in the last 10-15 years.

    Their parent company had been rumored to go bankrupt due to quality issues in recent years. (Thankfully they haven't.) But if GM went under where would that have put the CTS??? Maybe you can distance Caddy from GM, but many people can't and won't.

    Merc may have had quality issues, but what about IMAGE issues? Caddy is no where near what they were in their hey-day of decades past and their sales plummeted. Even with all the talk of quality lows for Mercedes, people keep buying them. I haven't seen any on the side of the road with the hood up, and I still see plenty 10-20 year old Mercedes being driven in good condition.

    Even with Mercedes' quality problems over the years, the company is still touted as 1 of the top luxury makers in the world by many outside of this Caddy board. ;) The CTS is doing well and I'm glad, but it's only 1 model. They are trying to regain their image of being a top luxury car but as a whole they are still considered behind Merc, Lexus and BMW. The CTS is a good start, but in order to play with the Big Dogs, they need to have a car to rival the S, 7 and LS, a car to rival the SL and Bimmer Roadsters. Hopefully it's coming.
  • "General Motors has announced the recall of 276,000 vehicles. The recall is due to a faulty pinion seal, which can cause fluid leaks. The recall affects the 2005-07 Cadillac CTS, CTS-V, SRX, STS and STS-V; 2006-07 Pontiac Solstice; and 2007 Saturn Sky. "


    That's the last thing they need at this crucial point. Hopefully they can get this problem fixed and it'll be the only problem for the CTS.

    I personally think the new CTS is a quantum leap above the prior version in terms of style. Not a fan of the front end, but they've done a nice job of cleaning up a bunch of the superfluous, overdone lines and shapes. And the prior CTS had possibly the worst interior style/materials that I"ve seen on a "Premium" car. The new interior works for me.

    I like it too. I think it looks great! They did a good job with this car IMO.

    Same issue with the XLR. I like it and am considering buying a used one as a toy. But the interior style and material appearance, and more importantly, the much too highg msrp spelled disappointing sales for the XLR from the get-go.

    I like the looks of the car personally. But I think if they price the car lower like they did the CTS it would sell pretty well. I don't think the public is ready to pay big bucks for Caddy as of yet.
  • A die hard Caddy Fan! :)
  • louisweilouiswei Posts: 3,717
    You wont mistake an STS or CTS for a GErman car.

    That's just too bad...
  • laurasdadalaurasdada Posts: 2,652
    I'll respectfully disagree. I believe that there is a fair amount of evidence that GM cars lacked the quality that consumers demanded (and found in the imports). Anecdotal proof: What was GMs market share 30 years ago vs. today. And review Consumers Report and JD Powers... And personally, two GM cars in my family in the '90s: one (Catera) was in the shop more than any several cars combined that my father owned. The Olds I I drove as a company car could have gotten me killed as it had a defective gas tank, it suddenly started profusely leaking gas from the top of the tank, thank heavens I wasn't a smoker and tossed my cigarette out the window! :sick: And, please, Roger Smith... Bean counter extrordinaire. He made 'em cheap and made 'em look/feel cheap...

    Conversely, our history with Acura/Honda, Mitsubishi, Nissan and Toyota/Lexus and even Mercedes Benz has left nary a single quality/reliability tale to tell (although MBs are bloody expensive to maintain/repair). I'm not preaching Japanese perfection here, but our Japanese vs. our GM: night and day.

    Having said all that, I posted that I think the CTS is a nice piece of work. I hope GM turns it around, a lot of good people rely on GM to earn a living. But that recall I (and others have) noted here, to most folks is SNAFU for GM. And that has to stop. :mad:

    '13 Jaguar XF, '11 BMW 535xi, '02 Lexus RX300

  • I'll admitt they have a start with the redesigned Escalade and the new CTS. But they need to add more standard features and improve build quality. The Escalade is the king of SUV's but the 08 Infiniti QX and Mercedes GL450 are worthy contenders.
  • I'll respectfully disagree. I believe that there is a fair amount of evidence that GM cars lacked the quality that consumers demanded (and found in the imports).

    Very true. This is old news, but GM was well aware of the quality issues they were having:

    http://www.businessweek.com/print/autos/content/sep2006/bw20060906_198888.htm

    SEPTEMBER 7, 2006

    Autos
    By David Kiley

    GM's Big Bet on Quality
    To reverse perceptions about its cars' quality, GM boldly extends its warranty coverage to five years or 100,000 miles

    General Motors (GM ), battling to regain market share amid a financial battering that saw its U.S. auto business lose $10.6 billion last year, today announced an expanded warranty on all its vehicles intended to alleviate, if not remove, doubts that many consumers have about GM's quality being competitive with that of Japanese automakers.
  • you have some valid points there.
  • Since its been on sale the 2008 CTS has outsold the C class, TL, IS, A4 and G35. I would say the car s doing just fine and will continue to do so....Read some of the consumer reviews right here on this site, many owners have traded in European cars.

    Would you be so kind to post a link to back this up?

    I did a little research and this is what I discovered: (sorry about the spacing and layout.)

    http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2007/05/01/046236.html

    GM Car Deliveries - (United States)
    April 2007

    Calendar Year-to-Date
    April January - April

    2007 2006 per S/D 2007 2006 %Chg

    CTS 4,644 4,612 9.1 15,410 17,913 -14.0

    DeVille 40 73 -40.6 71 509 -86.1

    DTS 3,707 4,003 0.3 14,654 18,886 -22.4

    Seville 0 0 ---.- 0 9 ---.-

    STS 1,815 2,088 -5.8 6,249 7,713 -19.0

    XLR 168 320 -43.1 633 1,186 -46.6

    Cadillac Total 10,374 11,096 1.3 37,017 46,216 -19.9

    As of April 2007 sales for all Caddy models were down year to date as illustrated by the numbers on the far right.

    Here are Mercedes' numbers for the same time frame:

    http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2007/05/01/046221.html

    MONTVALE, N.J., May 1, 2007 -- Mercedes-Benz USA (MBUSA) today reported April sales of 20,895 new vehicles; the second best April ever (after April 2006 with sales of 21,270). This represents the best-ever year-to-date sales volume, bringing the total to 76,880 new vehicles for 2007 - a six percent increase over sales during the same period in 2006.

    Model '07 '06 % 2007 2006 Yearly%

    C-CLASS 5,131 4,037 27.1% 17,413 14,017 24.2%

    E-CLASS 4,011 3,778 6.2% 14,458 12,437 16.2%

    S-CLASS 2,067 3,033 -31.8% 8,713 10,651 -18.2%

    SL-CLASS 703 1,112 -36.8% 2,098 2,953 -29.0%

    As of April, the more C Class cars (5,131) were sold than the CTS (4,644.) 2007 YTD CTS sales were DOWN 14% while the C Class sales were UP 24.2%.

    I know this is April sales info, but unfortunately I couldn't find any recent info on Caddy sales. However, I did find this on November Mercedes sales:

    http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2007/12/03/072331.html

    Mercedes-Benz Records Best November Sales Ever

    MONTVALE, N.J., Dec. 3 -- Mercedes-Benz USA (MBUSA) achieved its highest November sales volume on record with 22,819 units sold for the month, a 3.4 percent increase over last November's 22,079 record volume. This brings MBUSA's year-to-date sales total to 225,904 units - a 2.8 percent increase over the same period last year - which keeps Mercedes-Benz on track for accomplishing its 14th consecutive year of annual sales growth.

    Sales of the Mercedes-Benz C-Class rose 56 percent (6,920 units vs. 4,435 units) for the month, and 26.3 percent compared to last year's year-to-date results (56,802 vs. 44,990).

    Model Nov. '07 Nov. '06 Monthly % YTD 2007 YTD 2006 Yearly %

    C-CLASS 6,920 4,435 56.0% 56,802 44,990 26.3%

    The CTS is a nice car no doubt, and it was rated higher then the C Class on a review from this very site, but sales numbers don't lie. The C Class is selling more than the CTS and Merc is having ANOTHER record year.
  • mrsyjmrsyj Posts: 77
    "I never said they wouldn't. You asked me for reasons why some wouldn't buy the CTS and get the C instead and I gave you some. What's the problem? "

    I believe someone else asked for those reasons. I wouldnt but the C class so I don't need any reasons why its supposedly superior. The C class isnt superior on any objective level. Not that its not a nice car.

    "The car is the size of an E and 5, but priced like the 3 and C and compared to them also. I wonder how the CTS would fare if it were PRICED like the E and 5? We'll never know, but my guess would be sales would drop. "

    The STS is priced closer to the E and 5 but its still cheaper. BMW and MB are the only two luxury brands that can get away with such outrageous pricing. Infinitis, Audis, Acuras and Lexus models are all "bargain" priced compared to those German brands. Its not like Cadillac is the only one offering more car for less money. I wonder how the G35 would do if it was priced like the 5 series or E class. My guess is sales would drop.

    "I'm not so sure about that. The 1st Edmund's review on the CTS had it dead last against the Acura 3.2, Audi A4, BMW 330i, and G35. "

    Not winning a comparo (on Edmunds of all places) isnt the same as getting bad reviews. The new CTS lost a recent Edmunds comparo and that doesnt mean they didnt like the car. BTW, the last CTS beat 7 other cars in a R&T comparo in 2004. Cadillacs have been getting good reviews in general fo years now, this is not something that just happened overnight. As for edmunds, there arent many domestic vehicles they like and domestics never win comparos in Edmunds so I'm not sure they are the most accurate barometer of how well Cadillac is doing.

    "Their parent company had been rumored to go bankrupt due to quality issues in recent years. "

    the bankruptcy talk was generated by the media, GM never said it was close to declaring bankruptcy. Even if they were, vehicle quality was far from the main reason for Gm's troubles. GM has one of the higher customer loyalty rates in the industry. That would be hard to do if all your vehicles were falling apart.

    "The CTS is doing well and I'm glad, but it's only 1 model. They are trying to regain their image of being a top luxury car but as a whole they are still considered behind Merc, Lexus and BMW. The CTS is a good start, but in order to play with the Big Dogs, they need to have a car to rival the S, 7 and LS, a car to rival the SL and Bimmer Roadsters. Hopefully it's coming. "

    Not sure who considers Cadillac lower than Lexus, but I wouldnt say enthusiasts agree with that. Lexus is near the bottom of the pack in terms of driving enthusiasts but it is very popular amongst aging boomers which is why Lexus is the top selling brand. Ironically, people like you will be quick to point out that Cadillac isnt established around the world but the same thing applies to Lexus. People have been deriding Cadillac for years for not making BMW wannabe sedans and yet Lexus has proven that many luxury customers dont want that.

    As for the SL, the XLR is competition for the SL. It's not a better car, but its a legit contender based on style, performance and price. I wouldnt say the CTS is only one model, the Escalade has been very successful and of course the DTS is still a strong seller. The SRX has been well received by the press but hasnt acheived sales success for some reason. Same for the STS to a lesser extent although the revised 2008 model is doing a little better. As for all of this MB success, Cadillac outsold MB until about 2001 or 2002, MB has only recently hit the big sales numbers we've seen in the US. Even so, they have peaked an BMW and Lexus are ahead of them. Next year with a full year of CTS sales it is very possible that Cadillac will overtake MB in the US.
  • mrsyjmrsyj Posts: 77
    I had not seen C class sales data, you are correct about the C. I never said anything about the rest of MB's lineup however. The CTS still outsold the other cars I named. In november sales were up 55% to about 5500 units. MB's lineup continues to expand and its unsurprising that they continue to see record sales here in the US. They have 7 car lines and 3 truck lines and their sales reflect that. Cadillac has no competitor for the SLK, S class, CLK or CLS and that is part of the sales story.
  • mrsyjmrsyj Posts: 77
    "That's the last thing they need at this crucial point. Hopefully they can get this problem fixed and it'll be the only problem for the CTS. "

    recall mentiones 2007 CTS, not new model. Toyota has had far more recalls than GM recently so I don't think a recall is cause for alarm with regards to GM quality. Everyone is recalling these days.
  • mrsyjmrsyj Posts: 77
    "That's just too bad... "

    why is that? Lexus has done the German car copy theme for the last 18 years. I see no reason for Cadillac to do the same. If Cadillac went conservative and copied the GErmans people would complain. If Cadillac comes up with their own aggressivem unique style then German car fans are turned off because they feel all luxury cars should look the same. For those that hate GM and the American auto industry there is nothing Cadillac can do to win their favor.
  • mrsyjmrsyj Posts: 77
    "And personally, two GM cars in my family in the '90s: one (Catera) was in the shop more than any several cars combined that my father owned. "

    the Catera was an import from Germany. Lets not get into anecdotal stories because I can name two long lasting domestic vehicles for each of your horror stories. Naturally I suppose you have NEVER heard of a foreign car with reliability issues. I find this is always the case with people who swear all american cars break down at 50k miles. I dont have to look hard to find accounts of imports that have been less than perfect. BTW, the 90s started nearly 18 years ago- a lot can change in this industry in 18 years. I don't know if I would buy a GM product in 1990, but I would now.

    marketshare? It is simplistic to relate all of GM's marketshare losses to quality. You have to ignore an awful lot of facts to make that claim. In the 80s companies like MB and BMW mainly competed on the high end, especially MB. In 2007 almost every foreign automaker has a full linuep from compacts to pickup trucks. This wasnt the case in the 70s and 80s and part of the 90s. Detroit had a lot of share by default until the competiton entered every single niche in the automarket. On top of that brands like Scion, Hyundai and Kia didnt even exist 20-25 years ago. The marketshare of the leaders is going to decline when new companies enter the marketsplace giving the customer more options.

    GM has far more share in the US than MB has in Europe. If MB and BMW quality is so superior I would love to know why those brands dont command a 20% or 30% share in their home market. competition leads to a fractured market which is what they have in Europe.

    "But that recall I (and others have) noted here, to most folks is SNAFU for GM. And that has to stop. "

    Here is the thing, in spite of GM's stumbles they sell more vehicles than anyone else. They are still ahead of Toyota in the US by more than a million units which is significant considering how much Toyota has grown. I wouldnt say that "most" people believe that GM cant make a quality vehicle. At the end of the day far more people chose not to buy MB, BMW or Honda than chose to not buy a GM product. Toyota has 16% share which means that 84% of Americans dont want a Toyota. I doubt you would say that stat means that most Americans are skeptical about Toyota quality and engineering.
  • sls002sls002 Posts: 2,788
    I think GM's market share in the 60's (which is when GM's market share was high) was due to two prime factors: 1) they did have better quality than Chrysler; 2) there were very few imports of consequence. I think GM's share was greater because they had 5 divisions to soak up the market share that might have gone to Ford.

    In the period of time around 1980, GM did make a number of blunders that lowered quality. The Catera was a German import though. The reliability of the Mercedes 600 was noexistent - it was/is a total unreliable car, when it is working (for a day or so at a time), it is a wonderful car, but it is worse for repairs than an old Jag.

    When the Japanese started to invade the US market, they knew that the American impression of Japanese products was that of the carnival trinkets. They knew that if they were to be successful they were going to have to have a quality product. GM's management foolishly thought noone could possibly catch up, and it took about two decades (from about 1975 to 1995) for GM to actually decline enough to get serious attention.

    The Ford Pinto fuel tank was probably the worst for endangering peoples lives.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 18,271
    I disagree with this statement only because it needs to be corrected as I have:

    "For those that hate GM and the American auto industry there is nothing Cadillac can do to win their favor. "

    "For those that hate GM and the American auto industry there is nothing GM can do to win their favor."

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    To wit the statements here that GM has had nothing but bad cars for 30 years. Gimme a break. :sick:

    Let's see:
    1977 Cutlasss Supreme Brogham (Tan over dark brown) 350 4-barrel, great car
    1980 Cutlass Supreme Brougham (Black w/ burgundy interior cloth) 260 V8 more economical
    1981 Skylark 4-cyl
    1985 Skyhawk OHC 4-cyl
    1987 Century 4-cyl
    1989 Century 3100 V6
    1993 leSabre 3800 V6
    1998 leSabre 3800 V6 Series II, much different motor for those who say GM used the same motor for 50 years
    2003 leSabre 3800 V6 Series II, will buy another one
  • Recall mentiones 2007 CTS, not new model. Toyota has had far more recalls than GM recently so I don't think a recall is cause for alarm with regards to GM quality. Everyone is recalling these days.

    Just because "everyone" is recalling makes it OK for GM to have them also. Kinda reminds me of that old saying; if your friends jump off a bridge would you do it also?

    Recalls for the 2007 model is NOT a good thing. That's the last year of the product cycle and they were still having problems with it? The logic is the 1st year or 2 of the new style has quality issues, and the last year should have all the kinks worked out. There's no excuse for the 2007 model to have any issues.
  • sls002sls002 Posts: 2,788
    A "recall" is bad publicity. However, they did not recall the 2004 models, which suggests that they changed something in 2005. The recall release says that more seals were failing than normal, which means that a certain number were expected to fail. My 2007 SRX is not leaking yet. I expect that it will be recalled.

    I really do not think that this recall proves anything.
  • I had not seen C class sales data, you are correct about the C. I never said anything about the rest of MB's lineup however. The CTS still outsold the other cars I named. In november sales were up 55% to about 5500 units. MB's lineup continues to expand and its unsurprising that they continue to see record sales here in the US. They have 7 car lines and 3 truck lines and their sales reflect that. Cadillac has no competitor for the SLK, S class, CLK or CLS and that is part of the sales story.

    Do U have any links to back up your sales claims?

    Don't get me wrong, I LIKE the CTS. I think it's a great looking car. I see the car everywhere here in my area.
  • A "recall" is bad publicity.

    That's my point. GM doesn't need anymore bad publicity. Hopefully this won't sway buyers who are on the fence from buying a GM product.
  • mrsyjmrsyj Posts: 77
    "Recalls for the 2007 model is NOT a good thing. That's the last year of the product cycle and they were still having problems with it? The logic is the 1st year or 2 of the new style has quality issues, and the last year should have all the kinks worked out. There's no excuse for the 2007 model to have any issues. "

    Spare me. Most recalls these days are for issues that havent even caused any accidents. You're acting like the recall is for failed brakes. Again, Toyota has recalled more vehicles than GM in recent years but I doubt you would hesitate to purchase a Lexus. Recalls come from nearly every manufacturer in the US market, they are hardly unique to GM nor does GM lead the industry in recalls. Problems are not unique to 1st year vehicles and a quick look at CR's detailed results in their auto issue will comfirm that. Problems may decrease after the first year but they do not disappear. If that were the case all 3rd year vehicles would be 100% reliable across the board and that isnt the case.
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