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  • tiff_ctiff_c Posts: 531
    a spoiler like this. This is a larger spoiler than the one
    on the Eclipse I saw at the Super 8 in Grants, NM, on July 21st, 2007, that I commented on liking. This one is good but the one I saw was skinnier and looked a titch better.

    Just from the pics it looks as if it's tacked on at the corners. Might just be the angle, can't say from the size of the pic.
    I still wonder why the Eclipse is such a slow seller for Mitsubishi?
  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Posts: 6,768
    "...a spoiler like this..."

    That's the spoiler on the "SE" trim which is a pimped up Eclipse. It also has some cosmetic stuff and is the only trim level with stability control.

    Personally I think it is kind of dumb.

    I don't even understand why they use the moniker "SE" for this one. The 2007 model had a "SE" trim that was based on the 4-cyl. GS model but with different features. This one is on the GT model. It's just too confusing. :confuse:

    2009 PT Cruiser, 2008 Eclipse, 1995 Mark VIII, 1988 GMC Van

  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Posts: 6,768
    "...It looks as if it's tacked on at the corners..."

    Kind of like dressing up a pretty girl like a hooker, there's just no need for it! The original thin spoiler which is on all the other trim levels is much better looking.

    "...I still wonder why the Eclipse is such a slow seller..."

    Boy, that subject has been debated on a lot of boards including this one. The sports car fans say it is too nose heavy and too heavy in general. I have to agree with that to some extent. They also complain about understeer which is a problem with any front driver so to single out Eclipse is not entirely fair.

    I think the biggest thing that makes Eclipse sell slowly is that it got trashed by the press when it first came out. Particularly Consumer Reports was absolutely savage in its review. They named it "the most disappointing new car of 2006". The rest of the auto press was less than glowing as well.

    Now Mitsu seems to be giving up too. Last year they put a $1000 rebate on it for November and then uped it to $2000 from December on. I just checked the Mitsu site and for 2008 they say they are keeping only a $500 rebate until January. I think they are giving up. They sold about 2400 units a month last year. This year they are only moving 1800 or so.

    2009 PT Cruiser, 2008 Eclipse, 1995 Mark VIII, 1988 GMC Van

  • similar to having Kobe Bryant or Britney Spears say they don't like it. Throw in Sean Penn for good measure. Who cares what CR thinks?

    I certainly don't. I would've looked closer at the Hyundai Tiburon and Mitsubishi Eclipse but I need a four-door. The '08 Lancer GTS came along with what I needed and then some more...and more...and more.

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  • Hey. Don't shoot the messenger...

    Mitsubishi Reports 15.8% Year-To-Date Increase Through October
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    November 1, 2007 -- Cypress, Calif. --
    Mitsubishi Motors North America, Inc., (MMNA) today reported October sales of 9,280, virtually unchanged from last year's October volume of 9,288. Calendar year-to-date (CYTD) sales are 115,106, remaining well ahead of the first ten months of last year (99,392), up 15.8% compared to last year's first-ten-months total.

    The new Outlander crossover sport utility showed the biggest year-over-year increase in October, while Endeavor SUV, Eclipse Spyder convertible, and Raider pickup truck sales for the month also ran ahead of last year.

    October sales highlights:

    Outlander closed at 1,274 units, up 168% from last year's volume; and up 172% from last year's CYTD volume.
    Sales of the all-new fuel efficient Lancer continue to run far ahead of last year, up 62% for the year-to-date.
    Eclipse Spyder convertible sales were up 8.1% in October, and are up 16% year-to-date.
    Raider sales were up 110% for the month, and are up 8.6% year-to-date.
    Endeavor sales were up 18.7% in October.
    Galant sales are up 1.7% CYTD.
    Mitsubishi's January-October sales represent the best sales for the first ten months of the year since 2004.
    Mitsubishi Motors North America, Inc., (MMNA) is responsible for all manufacturing, finance, sales, marketing, research and development operations for Mitsubishi Motors in the United States. MMNA sells coupes, convertibles, sedans, sport utility vehicles, and light trucks through a network of approximately 500 dealers. For more information, contact the Mitsubishi Motors News Bureau at (888) 560-6672 or visit media.mitsubishicars.com.
  • tiff_ctiff_c Posts: 531
    Kind of like dressing up a pretty girl like a hooker, there's just no need for it! The original thin spoiler which is on all the other trim levels is much better looking.

    I guess, but some cars look good with a spoiler others don't. I've never driven an Eclipse which is why I was wondering about the reason they were poor sellers for Mitsubishi. Nose heavy and lots of understeer sounds bad, small wonder they don't sell well if that's the case.
  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Posts: 6,768
    "...Hey, Don't shoot the messenger..."

    Don't worry Mike, it'll just be a flesh wound. (Start broken record) Why do they tell us the figures for the Eclipse Spyder but not the coupe?

    Maybe I'll call them up and ask them.

    2009 PT Cruiser, 2008 Eclipse, 1995 Mark VIII, 1988 GMC Van

  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Posts: 6,768
    "...Nose heavy and lots of understeer sounds bad..."

    Not really, most of the FWD sport coupes have the same characteristics. It just seems to me that the press and the sports car fans pick on Eclipse more.

    2009 PT Cruiser, 2008 Eclipse, 1995 Mark VIII, 1988 GMC Van

  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Posts: 6,768
    Attended the local car show last night and much to my surprise they had all four contenders for my limited car buying dollar. Mitsu Eclipse, Altima coupe, Accord coupe and Pontiac G6 coupe.

    Here's my non-expert review.

    Eclipse: They had the SE trim with that stupid wing. That was OK though because Mitsu was the only vendor to have a salesman available to ask questions of. You sit low in the Eclipse so I had him put the hood down to check vision, it was OK. Interior was nice, very simple. No telescoping steering wheel (all other had it). Sunroof made the headroom too low. Bummer, because they package things like the Rockford Fosgate stereo with the sunroof so if you delete one you lose the rest. Over all nothing too bad that would eliminate the Eclipse from my list.

    Pontiac: Nice styling front and rear. Some shortie had left the power seat up all the way so I had to sit in the passengers seat to check headroom (it was OK even with the sunroof.) That was a big plus. The interior seemed cheap compared to the other cars. I never understood that dig at domestic makers until now. Maybe this was because the model they had was the cheaper GT trim not the GXP that I want. Biggest back seat of the bunch.
    To be continued...

    2009 PT Cruiser, 2008 Eclipse, 1995 Mark VIII, 1988 GMC Van

  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Posts: 6,768
    Nissan: From a "just sitting in it" point of view this was the biggest disappointment. The Altima seemed small and cramped inside. The interior was a tad better than the G6 but not quite as nice as the Eclipse. The car looked really good from the rear but the front end was, well, dumpy looking. This car has the best performance numbers on paper so I'll still think about it.

    Honda: The new coupe is very sharp looking. It has a back end that looks as good as the Nissan and a very aggressive nose. It was the interior that caught my eye though. The best of the group by far. Very stylish and futuristic looking. Same headroom problem as in the rest but that could have been due to the power seat being left too high.
    As far a being a good looking car with a fantastic interior the Accord is the hands down winner. The 29K price tag puts it out of my reach though.

    So the conclusion is mixed here folks. All four of my pics have the same basic pluses and minuses. I guess I'll have to do the test drive thing before I make my final choice.

    2009 PT Cruiser, 2008 Eclipse, 1995 Mark VIII, 1988 GMC Van

  • tiff_ctiff_c Posts: 531
    Eclipse: They had the SE trim with that stupid wing. That was OK though because Mitsu was the only vendor to have a salesman available to ask questions of. You sit low in the Eclipse so I had him put the hood down to check vision, it was OK. Interior was nice, very simple. No telescoping steering wheel (all other had it). Sunroof made the headroom too low. Bummer, because they package things like the Rockford Fosgate stereo with the sunroof so if you delete one you lose the rest. Over all nothing too bad that would eliminate the Eclipse from my list.

    It sounds like you really like the Eclipse. It's a good looking car. I'd never buy any coupe but my needs are different than yours.
    Just make sure you drive it for a while to be sure you like it. I've lost track of how many cars I liked when I sat in them in the showroom but hated to drive once I was behind the wheel in traffic or on the highway.
  • Eclipse is definitly better looking to my taste out of these four
  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Posts: 6,768
    "...It sounds like you really like the Eclipse..."

    Definitely the best looking. They are all pretty sharp though.

    BTW,I saw some of the cars you mentioned. There was a white Mazda speed3 hatchback there. It had good headroom and nice driving position. Only about 23-24K. I thought like the EVO it would be over 30K.

    They had a Lancer ES there. I asked the sales guy where was the GTS and he told me that somebody named iluv bought them all...just kidding. Seems there was such demand for that trim that they can't make enough of them. Mitsu did a good job with that one.

    I also saw the new Impreza. Isn't that what your Subie is based on? Nice update. Didn't catch the price but you'd want the performance version anyway.

    2009 PT Cruiser, 2008 Eclipse, 1995 Mark VIII, 1988 GMC Van

  • dave82dave82 Posts: 43
    Very interesting to see that Mitsubishi still makes use of creative statistics.

    Mitsubishi: Outlander closed at 1,274 units, up 168% from last year's volume; and up 172% from last year's CYTD volume.

    Sales of the new Outlander are down close to 50% over the last six months. The new Nissan Rogue is killing it. I doubt that you'll see Mitsubishi post a 168% increase next month--they sold over 1600 Outlander's last November.
  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Posts: 6,768
    "...Mitsubishi stillmakes use of creative statistics..."

    This is one of my consistent rants. I don't blame them for trying to put the best spin on things but I'd like to see the raw numbers too.

    By the way dave82, where are you getting your info. Those actual numbers usually only show up in trade mags like Automotive News and Ward's. Tough to access unless you pay.

    Do you have any numbers on the Eclipse coupe for October 2007?

    2009 PT Cruiser, 2008 Eclipse, 1995 Mark VIII, 1988 GMC Van

  • Nissan Rogue is not a direct competition to the Outlander. It's more of a competition to CRV and to some other small 4 cylinder CUVs. It has only 170hp, no navigation, no music server, no climate control, and no 3-rd row seat. So Rogue is more basic vehicle.
  • tiff_ctiff_c Posts: 531
    Definitely the best looking. They are all pretty sharp though.

    I haven't seen the Accord Coupe in person yet. I'm lucky I have time to even post online. But the coupe looks nice for a Coupe. I used to love coupes.

    BTW,I saw some of the cars you mentioned. There was a white Mazda speed3 hatchback there. It had good headroom and nice driving position. Only about 23-24K. I thought like the EVO it would be over 30K.

    Wow the Speed3 must have been a Canadian Model because the US doesn't get a white Speed 3!
    Still if it was offered in white I'd probably lean more towards it because white in New England is as stealthy as you can get!

    They had a Lancer ES there. I asked the sales guy where was the GTS and he told me that somebody named iluv bought them all...just kidding. Seems there was such demand for that trim that they can't make enough of them. Mitsu did a good job with that one.

    Yes the Lancer especially the GTS is quite a good looking car for what amounts to a high end economy car. If you price shop it you won't get much car for it's base price that's as nice. The GTS trim gives you everything for a very reasonable price.

    I also saw the new Impreza. Isn't that what your Subie is based on? Nice update. Didn't catch the price but you'd want the performance version anyway.

    Yes it's the newer version of what I have but mechanically it's inferior and costs more. Mine at the moment is on it's last legs without a major overhaul.
    The attitude Subaru had towards the WRX has made me decide without driving the new one to not buy it. I'm happy with my interior well worn as it is.
    The WRX is the performance version but the STi at $35K+ is the ultimate version. seems a lot of money as it did last time and the updates aren't enough to make me drool over it. I was very disappointed and as a result will not buy a new WRX. I'm waiting for prices in November then I'll be considering what I will buy.
    $29K is too much for me to spend on an Accord and the sedan isn't offered with a V6 and a manual so Honda lost a potential sale from me. The diesel is on my list and that's why i'm biding my time. my wife will get whatever I buy now if I opt for a diesel Accord later. it's too big a car for er to drive comfortably. I do too much highway to want a 4 cyl unless it's a turbo. My wife now thinks the Smart car is cute and wants to drive it. :confuse:
    I can see it if we were in heavy city driving but it's rural roads and no manual tranny. Also too many hills and too much snow.
    Have you listed your preferences or are you going to just buy the Eclipse?
  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Posts: 6,768
    "...the US doesn't get a white Speed3!..."

    I wondered about that and when I was back there this morning I checked. Turns out the Speed3 hatch I was looking at was very light silver. In the lights it looked white. 6speed MT with turbo for almost exactly 23K.

    You sure know your Mazdas.

    "...Have you listed your preferences or are you going to just buy the Eclipse?..."

    The Eclipse is my car to beat but I haven't ruled any of them out. The Pontiac has a price close to the Mitsu. The Nissan has a slight performance edge but is $1000 more with no rebates. The Honda seems like a luxury car but the price is out of my league (when you close the door there is no sound).

    I'll have to test drive at least one of the others before I can say if the Eclipse is my true front runner.

    2009 PT Cruiser, 2008 Eclipse, 1995 Mark VIII, 1988 GMC Van

  • tiff_ctiff_c Posts: 531
    The Eclipse is my car to beat but I haven't ruled any of them out. The Pontiac has a price close to the Mitsu. The Nissan has a slight performance edge but is $1000 more with no rebates.

    I'd take a Mitsubishi over a GM product any day. I had my fill of GM back in 1996. Last year I bought any domestic car. So far they have shown the same level of stubbornness
    that made me switch from them in the first place.
    But it's best to try all the ones you like.
  • You're a lucky man, Oldfarmer. You get to drive and ultimately choose to buy one of four very good coupes. Thanks for the update. Let us know what your impressions are after the test drives.

    We don't get the car show here (NC) until first quarter of 2008.

    I'll send our man Psychogun a note about the Eclipse Coupe sales figures.
  • 1racefan1racefan Posts: 932
    "dave82" - I am just curious what your "ax to grind" with Mitsubishi is. I just find it odd that when you click on your profile, and look at your most recent posts, they all are bashing Mitsubishi.

    Keep in mind, I am not saying any of the numbers, theories, or comments you are posting are wrong, I just find it odd that all of your posts revolve around bashing Mitsubishi.
  • One thing to keep in mind with sales of coupe's in general is that they are trend driven and also cyclical. This is due to the buyer demographic this type of vehicle is aimed at (younger, trend/style conscious, etc.).
    Usually sales are very good in the beginning (consumer excitement), then fall off, then they recover to settle within a range, and finally start to decrease as time goes on.
    The Eclipse is now in it's third year, and as such, I would not be surprised to see sales now in that final stage (and thus lower than last year).
    A slight refresh next year may reignite sales for a little bit, especially if there are also mechanical changes/improvements.
  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Posts: 6,768
    "...sales of coupes in general...are trend driven and also cyclical..."

    That's true of all cars but especially of coupes. My gripe is that Mitsu for some reason doesn't make sales figures readily available.

    You mention the minor refresh for 2009. I wonder what they are planning for the Eclipse. If they would get rid of that cast-iron block on the GT I think it would improve handling a bit. Have you heard anything specific?

    Speaking of trend driven, have you read the latest Edmund's comparison between the Altima and Accord coupes? A few months ago Edmunds was saying the Altima was the best thing since sliced bread. Now they say the Accord is the new golden boy and Altima is a piece of poorly made junk that rides bad.

    I guess it's not just us consumers who are fickle. ;)

    2009 PT Cruiser, 2008 Eclipse, 1995 Mark VIII, 1988 GMC Van

  • As mentioned before, most car makers will, at one time or another, be selective about the data they provide in their monthly sales press releases. It certainly is frustrating for those of us who like transparency in numbers. Again, Mitsubishi is not alone in this.
    One thing to realize, this does not mean that the numbers are doctored, or that they are being "creative".
    As you may recall, when Mitsubishi was selling well from 2000 to 2003, they provided the full details for each model.
    PR runs that fine line of making things look wonderful without breaking any laws. ;)
  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Posts: 6,768
    To all you Mitsubishi nuts I wish you a happy turkey day. In the end you can buy all the iron you want but you only have one family. Get up early and walk the Mitsu lot and get your fix for the day. Then go tell all those people how much they mean to you (I don't mean the salesman) and forget about cars. :D

    2009 PT Cruiser, 2008 Eclipse, 1995 Mark VIII, 1988 GMC Van

  • some people just don't know how to have fun! Go tell all of those salespeople how much they mean to you, too. ;)

    Enjoy your Mitsubishi's and here's to the NY Jets upsetting the Dallas Cowboys this afternoon!

    Yeah, right. :sick:

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  • toomanyfumestoomanyfumes S.E. Wisconsin Posts: 904
    Yeah I was rooting for the Jets myself. Least they could have done is injured a few of them and beat them up for the Packers next week. :P
  • same thing my son and I were hoping for!

    Someone's got to fall here...we've got the Pack, Pats, Cowboys and Dolts...I...mean...Colts, all winning entirely too much.

    One of those teams will have two losses after next week's games, yes.

    2011 Kia Soul Sport 5-speed

  • toomanyfumestoomanyfumes S.E. Wisconsin Posts: 904
    I've got to disagree about the Packers winning too much, but I think Dallas will be too much for them next week.
  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Posts: 6,768
    "...tell all those salespeople..."

    Yea, and watch the prices go up.

    I was wandering a Mitsu lot Sunday and saw a Lancer GTS. Very sharp, nice wheels. The base model isn't bad but the GTS just has that something extra.

    This was the same dealer who told me there were no GTS trims available. Go figure.

    Oh yea, I'm pulling for Miami, love those underdogs. ;)

    2009 PT Cruiser, 2008 Eclipse, 1995 Mark VIII, 1988 GMC Van

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