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  • subiedaddysubiedaddy Member Posts: 22
    About the hill holder..forgot the fellow's name that's considering buying manual...but here's a solid piece of advice..test drive it...and test parallel park on a *slight* incline...hill holder in reverse is always fun in a tight situation with lots of clutch and break play...eventually i'll get the hang of it...

    wish list..how about that convenience handle above the driver's side door blocking the visor to the side action...hmmm...and better visors all around i'd say...
    also...moonroofs available for manual pleez!

    won't the vinyl trim reduce wear on the edges? i thought that was a good feature for us poor folk..

    the plate on the hatch has to go back to the bumper to avoid that tinny sound when closing (i put the other two screws on the bottom, but still-

    all i got time for now

    best to all

    j
  • armac13armac13 Member Posts: 1,129
    Your service advisor is definitely wrong about the oil "being the best it will ever have" Subaru does NOT use any special oil from the factory. There is considerable controversy about when to switch to synthetic. Many, but by no means all, suggest waiting until 10-12k so that the engine gets thoroughly broken-in. The smoking and oil burning idea is nonsense IMHO.

    Ross
  • subiekidsubiekid Member Posts: 5
    I switched to Mobil 1 in my '99 L at 1500 miles. I did have a bit of oil consumption early on, but I don't know if it had anything to do with the synthetic. For the first 8K-10K miles, I lost nearly a quart every 3000 miles. After that period however, the rate of consumption dropped significantly. I now have about 35K miles on the meter and have had no problems. I think someone once mentioned that the initial consumption could be due to seals in the engine soaking up oil, or something like that...
  • lakepoplakepop Member Posts: 221
    Once again .....its Patti to the rescue. Nice job on helping synthia resolve her stalling problem. It is really reassuring to know we have people like you to turn to IF things get akilter.
    Sierra Hotel!
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    masan,

    I don't believe the service advisor knows what he's talking about. As mentioned already, our Subarus come with regular oil from the factory -- no special break-in oil. This fact has been verified through our contacts with SoA.

    There's nothing wrong with changing your oil at the 1500 mile mark either. Any service advisor that tells you that you shouldn't change oil until XXXX miles is clearly misinformed. Oil changes should be determined by the level of contaminants and breakdown of the oil. Since most of us don't send oil samples for analysis, the next best "indicator" would be your driving conditions and milage. The service advisor, who probably knows nothing about your driving conditions, is really in no position to tell you to change oil at a certain milage.

    Going to synthetic is not going to cause any problems either. In fact, if you check the Town Hall Chat transcripts, you'll see that we had the opportunity to talk to a maintenance specialist from Subaru of America. The specialist stated that there is no problem with using synthetic. He stated that if you do make the switch, switch early and "don't look back".

    Bottom line -- changing your oil early isn't a bad thing. Subaru is not for or against using synthetics as long as you change your oil regularly.

    Ken
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Bob: no, I just know it will rain right after I wash my Subie! No need for WB. ;-)

    Synthia: you should sell the rights to that story to the Twilight Zone. Watch, it'll be the most reliable vehicle you've ever owned from now on.

    ace: you got a leaf in there or something? Put it on full blast and use a strong vacuum to see if you can suck whatever blockage out.

    subiedaddy: if the vinyl is a lot more durable, I say make the entire seat from fabric that is more durable.

    We had a chat with two senior Subie mechanics, and they said something that surprised me a little. I've always heard that you should wait until after break-in to go synthetic, but they said DO NOT wait. They said change over early on in the engine's life, else the seals may develop a leak with synthetic oil because of its flow characteristics.

    So let it break in (1000 miles, maybe 3000 to be sure), then go synthetic right away. Do not change to it if you already have 60k miles, though, was what they said.

    -juice
  • tidestertidester Member Posts: 10,059
    They said change over early on in the engine's life, else the seals may develop a leak with synthetic oil because of its flow characteristics.

    I don't understand that. It would seem that if synthetic oil will cause leaks then changing over sooner will just cause leaks sooner. Can you elaborate?

    Thanks!

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  • duckguniduckguni Member Posts: 6
    I'm gonna buy 03 Forester X. But, this is my first time to buy a car.

    Edmunds.com says that TMV is $20,524(Automatic), and True cost to own is $22,501(including destination charge $525 plus tax & fees $1,452).

    Can I buy it under this price?
    How much did you pay for buying it?
    Please give me some advice!!!
  • nygregnygreg Member Posts: 1,936
    It was my understanding that synthetic actually cleans the varnish left behind by dino oil. Therefore, if you have used dino for, lets say, 100k miles and then switched to synthetic, it will remove any buildup around the seals and leaks can develop. I changed both my OB and Sienna to Mobil 1 at 10K miles. The OB has 27,500 and the Sienna has 50K. Neither burns a drop of oil. Interestingly, the Sienna oil plug tends to loosen a little over time since I switched.. Another plus for Subaru - a metal gasket!

    Greg's cost analysis: dino oil every 3000 miles + labour = synthetic oil every 6-7K miles

    Greg
  • lakepoplakepop Member Posts: 221
    duckguni... Van Bortel is offering them for 18799 + 719at = 19518. Shipping is 535...taxes ?

    www.vanbortelsubaru.com

    Hope this helps.
  • synthiasynthia Member Posts: 10
    I got $100 over invoice from CarBargains.com for my 2003 XS ...they have at least 5 dealers in your area bid against one another for your biz. No hassles. My price was a lot lower the TMV.
  • synthiasynthia Member Posts: 10
    Thanks for all the encouraging posts on my stalling problem!

    Today I drove the car about 15 min to an appt...it was parked in the sun for 5 hours. When I started it, it AGAIN idled rough and then stalled (don;t know why it does it with me and not the dealer.) After that, I had absolutely no problems.

    In response to a question: I have a little less than one-half of the first tank of gas to go.

    Overall, there is MUCH less stalling than before and I am thinking / hoping it's a gas problem. Hopefully all this will change when I fill up with a new tank of gas.

    If not, it's back to the dealer...

    FYI, I am keeping a detailed driving log in case this problem continues.
  • lakepoplakepop Member Posts: 221
    What are you waiting for.....ADD a can of dry gas to your tank and FILL UP with some fresh gas......yikes.
  • jms338jms338 Member Posts: 6
    What dealers have the most customer oriented sales staff? Which have the worst?

    What dealers have the best service departments? What dealers have provided poor service, failed repeatedly to fix a problem, or just been down right rude?

    Thanks in advance

    JMS
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Check the Dealers & Pricing topic in the Subaru Owners Club too (linked at the top of the page).

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  • duckguniduckguni Member Posts: 6
    Thank you for good information.
    It was very helpful!!!

    Duckguni
  • goldencouple1goldencouple1 Member Posts: 209
    Yuki Yama Hime is washed, vacuumed, and all the vinyl is shined up, and I pulled the saddle-blanket seat covers out and put them back in, all tucked and creased where they should be. Now I have to think of excuses to drive my wife's Mustang, so Yuki can stay pristine and cool in the shade for a while.

    (For a couple of days after my wife washes her Mustang, I have to drive her to work if rain threatens -- when it rains in southern NM it rains mud and she does not want to washing to be in vain.)

    Oh, by the way, Prez. W is in town today. I ran into (or very near, actually) the motorcade.
  • jimbob17jimbob17 Member Posts: 77
    I sat down this morning in front of the TV and did a little channel surfing. Son of a Gun, the Car and Driver TV station that I never watched before was evaluating the 03 Forester. (These coincidences are happening more and more with me and its getting scary.)
    It looked like they evaluated the solid color premium. No raves but they liked the exterior a little better than last year,the interior decor and space. They also liked the engine though it was not necessarily new. The reviewer said regardless of the construction it was definitely a truck because of the height.
    My last fillup of the 03 Forester Manual X showed 31 MPG from a mix of Highway and town driving. I didn't think a truck would get that kind of mileage but a rose by any other name......
  • rsay777rsay777 Member Posts: 100
    The G-900 problem has been solved and now am back on the road with 4 G-900's on the ground and one in the cargo.

    The new problem is: the glove box that is the cover for the air filtration filter is very crooked. 3 weeks ago after noticing it I took it to the dealer (Carr in Beaverton Oregon) where the dealer said it was warped and said he would order a new one. Today I went in to have the the new one installed and after two hours I feared the worse. The Sat service adivisor said the new one looks worse than the first one and the tech was trying some adjustments to see if he could get it right. Well, it "ain't" right. as I sat in the car and discussed the problem the service guy basically said " that's just the way these new Foresters are. Funny, when I look through the window of ones in the parking lot I see gloves boxes that aren't crooked.

    Any owners with this similar problem? Thanks, Bob
  • rsunicorsunico Member Posts: 82
    What are people paying for their 30k service? I have an 01 Forester L and want to plan accordingly. Thanks.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Don't know about "real world" costs, but The Edmunds Maintenance Guide estimates what we think you should be paying.



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  • masanmasan Member Posts: 77
    Thanks for your input re: synthetic. I think I'll let the engine break in a little more before making the final decision on switching.

    As to fit and finish, I haven't noticed a problem with the glove compartment, but I have had a problem with the change compartment to the left of the driver where the fuses are. It looked crooked, and every time I pulled on it to put change inside, it would fall out. The service department fiddled with the inside of it (not the box itself), and now it fits much better. I did get the comment, "It's just plastic."

    As an aside, when the service technician got inside my car to drive it off, his mouth fell open. "This is beautiful," he exclaimed. "I really like the way these colors go together."
    (Red X with beige/black interior)
  • wmquanwmquan Member Posts: 1,817
    Please pardon me if this question has already been asked, but I was surprised by Edmunds TCO numbers for the Forester:


    http://makeashorterlink.com/?H36B25A91


    $4,585 seems quite high for four years (e.g. it's more than an Outback, VW Passat 1.8T, or Volvo V40). Is this simply an inaccurate number? Or does the Forester require a lot of work in its recommended maintenance schedule?


    Thank you.

  • declansdaddeclansdad Member Posts: 120
    I really like the Dunlop Sport A2s. I've put about 300 miles on the Forester since Friday...taking the twisty backroads all the way home!

    My impressions so far: tires seem quieter than the Yoks on the highway, look larger than the Yoks too (although they're the exact same size), and I seem to have more lateral grip in the turns.

    I ordered my tires from tirerack.com and save a bunch, compared with what a local tire shop was charging for the A2s. I had them installed at a local repair shop and the owner stated that she really liked the Forester (it was the first time she had ever driven one).

    jms338: I get my service performed at Russel Subaru in Catonsville. So far, so good--no problems. They offer an oil-service package that is really cheap!

    Michael
  • synthiasynthia Member Posts: 10
    Oops, the last one got away from me...

    Lakepop: What do you mean by "add a can of dry gas?" And thanks in advance!

    Any recommendations on the best kinda gas to feed my new baby?

    I have almost 150 miles now...runs great. My friend that had a Honda CRV is green with envy.

    Syntia

    "What are you waiting for.....ADD a can of dry gas to your tank and FILL UP with some fresh gas......yikes."
  • pfischerpfischer Member Posts: 4
    The Dunlop Sport A2s are a much better tire than the Yoks. They are MUCH quieter and offer better grip, especially in the rain.

    I have these tires on my Forester and my Miata.
  • lakepoplakepop Member Posts: 221
    synthia....one of the things about gas is that it can go bad and another is that water can accumulate via tank condensation. A quick remedy can sometimes be to add a can of dry gas which is an additive available at ANY car parts store. You just pour the stuff (many different brands) into the tank.
    Given that you suspected that the gas might be causing the problem....putting dry gas in would help IF it was a water thing. Filling up with fresh gas would help you IF the gas itself was the problem.
    Injectors also clog up if the fuel is contaminated....but I'm guessing this is not the problem given all the checks by the dealer. Which makes me wonder why the dealer did not suggest trying fresh gas especially since they apparently tried everything else.
    OK....just my .02 trying to help you solve the problem.
  • p0926p0926 Member Posts: 4,423
    William- Your link showed the Forester's cost of ownership compared to that of the Liberty, BMW 325xi, Passat GLS 4Motion and the Audi A-4 Avant quattro. Compared to these, the Forester is the cheapest to own so I guess everything's relative. FYI: the maintenance cost is estimated to be $4158 ($400 less) for my zip code so maybe you should move :-)

    -Frank P.
  • nygregnygreg Member Posts: 1,936
    Synthia: I agree with others here. Fill up your tank. If it is water in your fuel (which makes a lot of sense since the Foresters are built in Japan and shipped here and then sit until a lucky person comes along to purchase it. This means it sees a lot of temperature and humidy conditions which can cause condensation in the tank, etc) adding new fuel will dilute any water. Also, you don't know what kind of fuel the dealer put in. If you want to try dry gas you can purchase a can at the gas station also.

    David - Glad you like the tires. I love them. Now if they are good in the snow I would be really impressed. BTW, I heard that the farmers almanac is calling for a snowy winter here. :)

    Greg
  • lakepoplakepop Member Posts: 221
    Greg.....I'm liking the tires a LOT more since I had them rebalanced. Dunn tire mounted the SP5000s for me. They also did the balancing / alignment. The balance was NOT a good job.....they vibrated on the thruway and while not a wheel shaker....I could feel the problem .
    Had them rebalanced at a DIFFERENT installer and VOILA....problem gone.
    Snow....good for me I work winters as a ski instructor. A shortage of snow down here in the "snowbelt" is seldom a problem. OK enough talk of snow....there is a lot more summer to be had and I am an avid golfer/sailer so hang in there with our great weather.....the white stuff just happens....a LOT....: )
  • wmquanwmquan Member Posts: 1,817
    Thanks for the response.

    True, the Forester has the lowest TCO of the vehicles stated, but I'm more curious as to why the maintenance cost is $4k+. Does the AWD nature of the Forester require frequent maintenance? Or is Subaru maintenance just expensive?

    If you drill down in those vehicles, the Subaru has the 2nd-highest maintenance costs (above the Passat 4motion, BMW, and Audi). Of course, the BMW and Audi come with some scheduled maintenance so it's not a fair comparison -- though I think the comparison in TCO is rather suspect given that we're talking significantly higher price classes, period.

    A better comparison would be to a CR-V or RAV4. The RAV4's number is very similar, slightly lower. The CR-V comes out about 15% cheaper.

    I'm not knocking the vehicles, just curious whether the Edmunds number is accurate or not. Are people really paying over $4k for maintenance over a five year period? If they are, what about the maintenance makes it cost that much?
  • eps105eps105 Member Posts: 216
    Got back from my first all-highway trip in 'Lucky' - my new 2003 Forester XS Premium (AT, leather, premium audio). With 2,000 miles on it and a fresh change of oil (dealer insisted on 10W-30 for summer driving despite owner's manual recommendation of 5W-30), I achieved an impressive 27.6 MPG on the PA Turnpike from Pittsburgh to Philadelphia... WITH the A/C running the whole time. Guess the thicker oil didn't hurt.

    I am impressed because my old '99 Forester never got more than 25 MPG, usually 24, highway driving. I think the lighter weight and improved aerodynamics of the new Forester does make a difference, not to mention I do not have a bug deflector on my new one -- much less drag.

    I found that my odometer reads 1-2% high. The trip has always been exactly 300 miles in the 5-6 cars I've ever made the trip in, but each way I logged about 305 miles. Oh well. I don't think that's out of spec enough to raise a stink to my dealer.

    The ride was smooth and quiet, and even my wife was impressed with the long-term comfort despite her high standards from her cushy VW Passat.

    While cruising down the highway with my auto-dimming mirror, auto-changing 6 disc CD, and automatic climate control, I put on my automatic cruise control and in a moment of delusion thought the car could drive itself and I let go of the steering wheel. ;-) LOL.

    Dare I call this a near-luxury mini-SUV?

    Elliot
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    I can't speak to the Forester, but I have compared TCO numbers for an '02 Quest to my '99 Quest. Predicted maintenance for the '02 for 4 years is $2086. I'm five months short of 4 years on my '99 and my maintenance to date is $2005. I did throw my canoe rack and factory manual into my spreadsheet along with the oil changes and new tires, so I'd really a bit less than that, but not too far off the prediction. ymmv ;-)

    Anyone with an older Forester who keeps TCO kind of records who can comment?

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  • wmquanwmquan Member Posts: 1,817
    Thanks Steve! And that's basically what I'm curious about. If a Quest over five years requires about $2k of maintenance, why would a Forester require $4k+? Is it because the labor and parts for an AWD vehicle is higher and/or service is more frequent and/or Subaru just charges a lot? I'd tend to think the first one since the CR-V and RAV4 are also in the same ballpark as the Forester.

    I realize it may seem silly to cross-shop a Forester with, say, a Passat non-4motion, but you've seen everyone cross-shop everything here! (A lot of cross-shopping is done by price limit!)
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    The only difference from your basic FWD maintenance is that there is a rear differential. Some people change that oil at 30k miles, but most wait until 60k, so it depends on how many miles you drive in those 4 years.

    Even then, it's easier than chaning engine oil. Remove two 1/2" drive bolts from the back of the pumpkin, drain, replace lower bolt, pour in 75w90 until it begins to spillout, replace upper bolt. About 20 minutes of labor. If your shop charges more than $100, find a more honest mechanic.

    I've had Sandy for 4 years, and she hasn't cost me $200 in maintenance. I've done 8 oil changes and the 30k service all myself. Plus tire rotations, fluids, stuff like that. It's not different from FWD until you get to the differential fluids at 60k.

    I have been to Fitzgerald for a recall, and my wife took her car there for a free oil change offer. Their service was good, and they are in Rockville, FWIW.

    Our 2002 Legacy L is also named Lucky, BTW.

    -juice
  • rlhermes1rlhermes1 Member Posts: 7
    Does anybody know where I can find the specifications on the new 16 inch steel wheels that are standard on 2003 Foresters?

    I believe the bolt pattern is the same, but the offset may have changed.

    Thanks for any help.
  • mckeownmckeown Member Posts: 165
    Ricardo, Tire rack list the very same wheel list for the 2003 as for the 2002 (in the 16" size). Since I was calling for another question, I asked about the Stock number of 1 of the wheels for the 2002 and the rep said the same number would also fit the 2003. So for this particular wheel the answer would be yes. If all Offsets for wheels are the same, then the overall answer would be yes. Just FYI since I saw you post just before I was calling.
  • laumannlaumann Member Posts: 10
    The estimated Maintenance cost in TCO for the Forester requires a correction. The parts cost for timing belt replacement in the 2nd and 4th years was inadvertently included at approximately $140 for each. The labor cost included is, however, for inspection, not replacement. These parts costs are now being deleted from the TCO tool and from the Maintenance tool on the site.

    The only timing belt-related cost that should be included is for inspection at 30,000 and 60,000 miles. Keep in mind that Maintenance cost in the Maintenance tool is scheduled maintenance only. Maintenance cost in the TCO tool includes both scheduled and unscheduled (wear items) maintenance.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    (Laumann is our guy who works on the TCO for Edmunds).

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  • rsunicorsunico Member Posts: 82
    Has anyone dealt w/ discountiredirect.com ?
    They seem to have better pricing that tirerack.com and w/ free shipping to boot! Looking to put Yokos on the 01 Forester.

    Also what a diff. a few months makes... checked out fitzmall.com pricing and they actually have some 03 Foresters for below invoice (and more WRX wagons below inv).

    Am waiting 1 year for a turbo Forester. If it does not show up.. WRX wagon (blue).
  • subiedaddysubiedaddy Member Posts: 22
    still under 3k miles but i finally got to go on a nice trip, san fernando valley to grover beach, san luis obispo. about 200 miles one way. (when i finish shooting the roll i'll link a pic or two of my baby on the beach)

    the way there was mainly 101, nice drive; 5th at 4000rpm was smooth and sweet. the way back we cut through the road that goes by cachuma lake, tight handling despite the lack of LSD, i was drooling the whole time.

    at grover beach there were mainly ford 250 4x4's and such, but i did see an impreza wagon rubbing shoulders with the big boys.

    ok, i didn't take the forester into the dunes, (used the rented atv's there) but i wonder...could i have? anyone know the place i'm talking about? i was tempted to but besides the dirt bikes, atv's and a few dune buggys i only saw two street vehicles on the dunes, both were huge trucks and one was having a hard time

    anyway it was a blast to drive the forester!

    got 26.8 mpg for that tank, filled on way back in santa paula

    BTW, my oldest kid brought some modern music along and the sound system really impressed me, guess the classical music cd's that i listen to are extremely weak, but the base SS + tweeters did a super job with the modern stuff, must be getting old...

    regards,

    j
  • allhorizonallhorizon Member Posts: 483
    >>Am waiting 1 year for a turbo Forester. If it does not show up.. WRX wagon (blue).<<

    Renato, that's cool, but in public you should say: "…If it doesn't show up, I'll go with the A4 or Jetta Wagon." That's what I do ;)

    Seriously, if a large fraction of potential Forester Turbo buyers can easily be redirected towards the WRX wagon, we'll never see the Turbo Forester in the US. I do believe that there are sufficient differences between these two cars for me to consider other makes, as well.

    - D
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Thanks Laumann. But while you're correcting it, the intervals recommended by Subaru only call for an inspection at 90k miles, then a change at 105k. So you could inspect it at 30 and 60k, but even those aren't necessary.

    That does explain a lot though. Good to know Edmunds is interested in accuracy.

    Renato: yes, I bought my rims and tires from them. Thumbs up. In fact, Tire Rack said 225mm tires would not fit, and Discount Tire said they would. 20k miles later, Tire Rack was dead wrong - it has not rubbed once.

    j: air down and you're fine on sand, but keep pushing to find its limits and you'll get stuck. In fact, that's the only way to find the limit on any vehicle - getting stuck.

    D: I jokingly called for a total boycott of Subaru until we get the Forester turbo. ;-)

    But what I'd really like to see are MANY vehicles that are performance leaders in their class, so that my next Subaru becomes a difficult choice. Hmm, WRX STi, Forester 2.0XT, Blitzen, or Baja H6? Now you're talking...

    -juice
  • p0926p0926 Member Posts: 4,423
    Dietmar- My thinking exactly. We shouldn't let SOA think they can get away with not bringing over the turbo Forester and still keep us in the Subaru fold. While I might "settle" for a WRX wagon, a turbo Forester would better suit my needs/desires. And yes SOA, if you don't bring over the turbo, I will cross-shop!

    -Frank P.
  • nypaulnypaul Member Posts: 35
    Hi Folks,
    I haven't posted in a while so I thought this would be a good time. On our vacation to Pennsylvania last week our '02 L model got 27.8 MPG hiway driving with the a/c on the whole time. On the trip home to Long Island I did find the seating to be a bit uncomfortable. But that is probably because the wife and I had just spent the last week backpacking in the Cumberland Valley, on the Appalachian Trail. I guess my muscles just weren't used to being in one position so long. It sure was nice to ride with the cruise control set, the a/c on high, and our favorite music in the c/d player. The car handled the hiway just fine as well as the smaller PA roads.

    Paul
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I will cross-shop anyway. That keeps pressure on Subaru to make continuous improvements.

    For instance, I'd like to see the mud flaps brought back, Foresters look naked without them. And I mean standard. The cargo liner, too. Mine has been used so much I'm almost ready for another one!

    Then give me 200+hp and it'll be a front runner.

    I'd also look at the Baja (IF a more powerful engine appears), Pilot, Outlander EVO (again IF it gets 200+hp), and maybe a Matrix or Element if the budget is tight.

    -juice
  • 4wdisfun4wdisfun Member Posts: 55
    I am planning to buy a car for my wife. I am deciding between a 03 Forester and a Impreza wrx. I know on weekends the Impreza will be all mine, but the Turbo Forester is also nice. I am concerned about security. We have only one child (7) and my car is a SUV. She hates SUV´s and i am looking for AWD, ABS, and 5 rating frontal crash tests (both have excellent ratings). Any advice will be appreciate it.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    The 7 year old and your wife may have more fun in the rex. If you think your stuff will fit in it, go for the WRX.

    Sedans go for about $22,800 and up, and remember you should use premium fuel for that high-psi turbo.

    The Forester can hold a lot more cargo, but you already have a vehicle that meets that need, just plan ahead and carefully.

    -juice
  • gened1gened1 Member Posts: 256
    That is interesting that you found the odometer reads more "generously" than it should. I've been thinking that this same thing might be happening with my 02 odometer. it seems as though the miles pile up faster than on my other cars. Hummm I'll have to check it out.
    Thanks for the heads up. I just thought it was me .
    Gene
  • caperosiercaperosier Member Posts: 58
    Is that big cardboard pan needed? Any tips or tricks to changing oil/filter in a 2001 L? Pouring 4 quarts in always shows up too high on the measuring stick. What's up ? I remember that there was a posting awhile ago on this. Edmunds has made navigating to all the Town Hall Forums tricky now.
    The local dealer says to get rid of it....it's in the way of oil and filter changes.
    Thanks.
    And no, we do not name our vehicles here Downeast.
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