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What Are Your Thoughts on the Return of the Taurus/Sable?
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I don't think that's the way it went - no doubt Ford WAS dumb to put the 500 out looking like it does. I don't think even Subaru could design an uglier car. However, it remains to be seen what they do with the makeover and rename project - it may look pretty hot. Give Alan a chance! It's actually an excellent car under there, just nobody knows it because of the unbelievably poor styling....Though I'm not in the market for one, I'm anxious to see the Bold Move, and hope it successful. I doubt it will be a blockbuster runaway hit - but they can only improve on them.
The marketing campaign was never that hot either...
These cars may not sell like hotcakes when they come out, but in Honda terms, this is simply an MMC, not a full redesign.
I hope Ford knows that...
A Five Hundred and a Freestyle. And before that, three Tauri (one of them a wagon).
Aw, c'mon Howard even me, the Frinch (Ford Grinch?), can see that Subaru can and almost always does design uglier vehicles than anyone else. The 500 I maintain is not ugly, it's just bland and boring and almost invisible.
And Howard, the 08 Taurui are out there in pictures. It's not hard to find em. BON is a great place. But if u wanna know what they look like, I'll save u the trouble. Just picture the 500 with a Fusion grille. That's about it. Pretty bold eh?
I hope Ford knows that... "
Sure Ford knows that. But that doesn't prevent their marketing department from calling them "All New", which they do. If called on it, they can sya 'The name - we meant the name.' They figure most car buyers have the IQ of a stick and so to them, it's a brand new Taurus. I dont think Ford can or wants to sell to car enthusiasts anymore, unless they're looking for the next back to the future Mustang knock off.
GM has proven that for decades now....as in:
"First ever G6". (Ya think?- Next version is second ever?)
"All new trucks" in 1989. Well, yeah, if you don't count the motor, transmission, rear end and the frame.
1995 - "GM is putting quality on the road"....Really......well, that worked out, didn't it?
So, why shouldn't Ford assume the same? Heaven knows, they've perpetrated some of the same.
What is BON and how can I access it?
BON = blueovalnews .com of course. Lots of stuff Ford there and discussion forums as well. many of the posters are FOrd employees.
Yeah, I hear ya about GM. Never liked their products, ever. Did buy a 97 Tahoe though and that was a tough truck. It saved my bacon once. That's the sum total of my GMs.
BTW, new MT compares the new Tundra with the Silverado and picks the Chevy. One bit of good news on the American car front. Though it's interesting that they picked it mainly for 'value' as the Toyota is way overpriced. Funny, the Chevy probably costs a lot more to build, thanks UAW, yet is priced about $5000 less. Who's screwing who here now? Oh, and the Toyota has like a kids' toy-looking dashboard. The Chevy is 1000% better. But the toy is faster. But the Checvy gets better mpg. They both stop at 133ft from 60mph. That's like 2 car lengths quicker than the Edge or emm kay exx, Fords' newest gifts to ambulance chasers.
About as boring as any of the other "competitors"
About everyone on this forum will tell you that 300/charger/GrandPrix/ Maxima aren't boring. Lucerne and Avalon aren't bad looking either-ten times better looking than 500.
Is the 500 a bad looking car? No. Is it a good looking car? No. Here's my scale:
ugly nothing Beautiful
-10 ... 0 ... 10
500 and freestyle get 0's. THey have no style. Montego get's a 2. It looks a little nice. Mercury gives it some nice touches. But there is no perk that makes me want this car. it has no pickup. Backseat is awesome but so is 300/Charger. Trunk is awesome, but charger/ Avalon/ Impala's aren't bad either. Ford just has a bland inexpensive car hear. (300's don't cost that much either...)
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It is a sober, tall, imposing car that commands respect on the road. But most of all is a strong and safe car which it will be greatly improved when officially becomes the Taurus. This is also true for the soon to be the Montego.
While owning a Sable wagon, I enjoyed, among other things, its utilitarian nature and comfort. It served me well and, to me was a serious and handsome vehicle which showed understated beauty. I never impressed anyone nor did I really care other peoples' comments and unsolicited opinions about it.
I'm very optimistic and hopeful and that the new Taurus will break the Accord/Camry dynasty, although it (Taurus) apparently will compete with the Avalon and 300.
I agree that the 1986 to 1995 Sable wagon had a certain understated je n'ai ce quoi, even though at the same time, it stood out. The 1996 on was awkwardly styled, even goofy. The weirdness of it eventually killed sales. The 2008 is understated again, but this time almost to the point of anonymity. Ford's in trouble, yet all they seem to be able to bring to the table are more yawns.
Heck, excitement is overrated anyway....
Ford needs something to sell really well...not just in numbers that might be profitable for that nameplate (like Fusion), but a real blockbuster, or a series of them. It is the only way the company is going to recover from the slide into oblivion that Bill and the board began several years ago.
Are all 300Cs with AWD (didn't even know they had that), V8s? Didn't see anything in the post stating that. It would seem that too much power on a vehicle that had a low ground clearance, would be counter productive. It would only need that much power for serious off road or towing capabilities. And I don't think anyone would argue that the 500, Freestyle, Taurus or 300C are either of the above.
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Toyota is sure leading the way, I think our US automakers should do a complete study on what the Toyota people are doing right & what Ford is doing wrong!! I am on my 27th Ford & right now when I am getting ready to buy, I really see nothing that Ford has that really interests me!! SAD!!!!
In the meantime consider that even though the 500 is plainer than the old Taurus was, it is a better vehicle. I wouldn't buy a 2007, but with the better engine, sound deadening and improved interior of the 2008 Taurus, it may be worth a look to you. The Fusion too. It offers more hp than Taurus ever did (save the SHO which never sold worth a darn anyway). And the Fusion has more current styling, even if you did prefer the ovoid Taurus.
And if sedans are no longer your thing, how about the Edge or the 2008 Escape? Ford has a bunch of duds in the stable yet, but they are cleaning up. They need to speed up new model intros....a lot. But the Crown Vic will only be for fleets next year (Yeah!...I cannot believe they have sold that dinosaur for this long without an update, but they did...for shame). But do drive a Fusion and then see what you think. If you wait another month, you can compare it to the Taurus too.
Those Grand Marquis' though are so cheap, even if they are outdated, you can get a really good deal on them. We payed 10k for one that was one year old with 28k miles on it.
On another note, Ford Fusion's built after January 2007 have enhanced front structures and perform better in the both the front offset and side impact crash tests by the Insurance Institute. The link is : linkhttp://www.iihs.org/ratings/ratingsbyseries.aspx?id=561.
The interior space and ride are compelling reasons to consider Ford's new Taurus. Ford has to overcome the fear that reliability and quality will be less than the perceived "safe" bets and must assure consumers Ford will be around to back its product.
I'm an extremely pleased 2005 Ford Focus ST owner. It's been bulletproof and delivered everything I wanted and more. It's my least expensive car in the fleet and my favorite to drive. It literally makes me grin every time I drive it. Ford quality is better than the current consumer perception of Ford quality. Ford manufacturing is doing something right. Ford product development I'm still concerned about. The 2008 Ford Focus doesn't impress me as a styling upgrade. However, the 2008 Ford Taurus is a step up over the prior 500.
I think the Taurus renaming marketing bet will pan out and I like that CEO Mulally didn't waste time making the decision. Ford's dug a deep hole but Mulally has good instincts and has stopped the digging. The new Taurus is at least one rung up on the ladder out.
Empty nesters wanting to get out of the "family hauler".
Young execs and professionals will either get a Fusion to save a few or the Lincoln MKZ. Or an Acura TSX.
Yes the Taurus is a premium large sedan, but who wants those anymore?
I wish Ford would spend a few bucks to upgrade the Edge interior cause that is what will sell.
Mark.
First, of course, comes the 3-bar chrome grill, but along with that, the newly designed headlamps matches beautifully to the grille, and is no doubt one of the better designed headlamps from Ford - much better than the Fusion and Edge, IMO. The same is true on the taillamps, which is also matching to the front lamps, giving an overall better appearance. The fog lamps is nicely done as well.
Other exterior changes: A "porthole" (am I saying it right?) on the top/side of the hood, similar to recent Buick's; They eliminated the so-called side "divider-bar" below the side windows, so the entire side door, from window to bottom, looks as one big chunk. I think the 500 looked better in that aspect. Also, a big piece of chrome on the trunk was added. The outside mirrors is a little smaller, but nicer and have better fit. The dual tailpipes are much superior to the 500.
On the interior, it looks almost identical to the boring and dated 500, but there is some improvements. They got rid of those sick signal/wiper stalks from the 500. There is now just one regular stalk on the left, for the wipers. No right stalk anymore, as the Japanese vehicles. I personally like it better that way (on the left). So it looks much cleaner than in the 500.
The rest of the center stack, stays the same. The outdated stereo system, with old-tech LCD and un-intuitive controls carry over, and so are the temperature controls. Too bad, because Ford really needs to improve with that design. The 2008 Mariner/Escape seems to be a step in the right direction, and Ford should definitely be heading that way. The gauges also needs tweaking. And some controls sits too low.
To sum it up, it looks much better, and will definitely be better than the Five Hundred it is replacing. But the interior still needs improvement. The Impala looks much better. Leave alone the Avalon.
I Can not STAND those 2 names, Taurus and Sable. It blows my mind that people would rather have a Taurus instead of Five Hundred? (I mean the name of course, same car!)
I would have never bought my car if it was still called the Taurus. JMHO!
Just as a note the transmission was rebuilt 3 times and we did change engines for a used one with less than 30,000 miles at 120,00 miles. We got the trans, and engine for $1,250. from a wrecked Taurus.
So the name Taurus had some great value messages for me. I have owned 13 Chrysler made vehicles, but is Ford makes the Taurus with AWD I would look real close at considering making a change.
At first I thought the name change was not a good idea, but I have changed.
farout
You can get the Five Hundred with AWD . . and that ensures you also get the awesome CVT, too!
farout
I do not believe there are any suspension differences between the two models.
What makes it worse is this band of yellow runs accross the charcoal gray dash!
Attention ALLAN M. FIND THE PERSON RESPONSIBLE AND FIRE THEM.
Mark