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i like the xb, but the drop fuel economy kinda stinks, but i realize that there are things that counteract this.
Having said that, i wish it had a five speed auto.
I just looked up the numbers,
for a 2006 scion xb auto
the new epa is:
26/31.
If the new xb is currently reflecting the new tests, than you will average 4mpg more in the city and 3 on the highway...i guess its a bigger deal for those who do a lot of city driving.
Manual MSRP: $16,230
Auto MSRP: $17,180
Now if you add some stuff to it, you can make any car substantially more expensive than the MSRP...
It is a great value under $20k.
The TRD supercharger is $4300 (I know since I can sell them).
That's about a dollar a HP. Not a good value. But a nice profit center for 'Yota, since they will sell a few of those.
Considering you are adding 600 lbs and 50 HP, a 3-4 MPG drop is actually a good job by Toyota, IMO.
DrFill
That's about a dollar a HP. Not a good value. But a nice profit center for 'Yota, since they will sell a few of those.
huh? So you are saying the TRD supercharger adds around over four thousand horsepower?
i like the idea of a souped up scion, and the tc/xa/xd will be good fits, but i never thought the xb was a good platform for stuff like this; if your all for show, fine, but the body shape just isn't aerodynamic at all. And the weight of the thing makes it even less desireable as a tuning project; i think its a great value, going by the initial msrp, and great to haul people and stuff, but not as a performance vehicle.
I'm a driver, so I don't have those hunger pangs. It has the right kind of 5-speed.
DrFill
Now, I have driven my new 2008 Xb for three days and want to review the car if anyone cares.
I LOVE IT!!! The ride is SO much smoother in my opinion. power is great. quiter. sportier look. Handles great. It has the "security type key where the remote unlock is built right into the key. It has a lot of other "Toyata" type features. The one opion I bought was the Headrest DVD monitors for my kids (2 boys) Each headrest has it's own player so I wont hear them fight over which moive to watch like they do in my Trailerblazer!!! Also, the monitors are hooked up together so they can watch the same movie if they want!!! I have not come up with anything negative to say about the car at all except the mileage is worse than in my old Xb but I knew that would happen going in. I think this is an awesome car for the price!! Just my 2 cents
which is probably totally untrue. There is no way its going to be that way, larger fuel injectors mean more gas flow, regardless of if you are flooring it or not.
If you really want good performance, i really think you should look elsewhere; for scions, yeah maybe some rims and sideskirts to look cool, but they should be cruising vehicles; i don't agree with the performance side of it, but whatev. i cant imagine how dissapointed someone would be having a superchared xb that is still beaten by relativley less powerful, and lighter cars that are cheaper.
As for performance, the supercharged xB2 can make just over 200 HP which someone said is the same power to weight ratio as the 5.0L Mustang.
DrFill
not to mention that a supercharger is a bit different than a turbo in that it excels in lower rpms. Sorry, but this in no way spells good fuel economy or at least UNCHANGED fuel economy from a non superd' xb. Regardless of what mr. scion says. The design approach to the new xb in general demonstrates a lack of interest in true frugality at least as far as gas is concerned, so i don't see why its hard for this philosphy to run into their general marketing of parts for the car.
the supercharged xB2 can make just over 200 HP which someone said is the same power to weight ratio as the 5.0L Mustang.
thanks, i really needed that today.
The new xB has impressed me. This is the first time I purchased a car immediately after a test drive. I have no complaints yet. If it hadn't impressed, I would have spent 15k on a used 06 with 20k miles. Gotta love the lack of depreciation.
First....great acceleration with the new engine. Very, Very quiet in town and even on the freeway. The back seat has lots of room for a 6 ft guy like me and the head room is only down a bit from the first model. Great storage and a substantial feel. Also...the side curtain and door airbags mean a much safer vehicle.
The back seat also has storage for books, etc underneath the seats. The kids will like that for their coloring books, etc. Great cup holders in the back seat area doors.
I recommend it....plus the look of the exterior grows on you. I really liked the old look, but this has its coolness...no doubt. But it is safer, still gets good mileage, has storage for hauling stuff, kids and adults. It will drive better on the highway and in winter driving.
I think I will be happy with it.
The computer is reading a MPG Average of 27.5!!!!!!
BETTER THAN I ASSUMED!!!!!
With my 2006 Xb auto I was calculating only 30 MPG but I drive fast and with the smaller 1.5 engine I was probably running too many RPMs to get better than 30MPG :confuse:
The TRD Sports Muffler sounds mighty fine with the Supercharger; you can find that out on youtube. I've been thinking about buying it for my '07 tC; my only conflict is I have an TRD Cold Air Intake and I'm worried if it's going to be a issue. I could always save up for that 3 grand.
Back to the '08 xB...I stopped by my dealership last Sunday to take peek at it. It's nice, more sporty, and price is nice for a base model. Only thing I didn't like is where the shifter is located at.
I still like my tC
As used in my Highlander, it never ceases to amaze people that such a "small" engine can give the HL so much get-up-and go. The xB is 5-600 lbs less mass to move, so it'll be even quicker.
That is a relief. It amazes me that many makers still incorporate timing belts. Subaru for instance still uses one, and it's one of the reasons that I'm reluctant to buy one. Are there any negative drawbacks to the engine?
After driving it, I'd say it runs to sixty in about 8.0 seconds. Or around 1.5 seconds better than the '06. :surprise:
DrFill
I am getting 24-25mpg in city driving.
When you consider a Corolla is only a little cheaper and has horrible crash test ratings and whole lot less of everything. the XB is a bargain. Try getting a Honda Fit for the same price. Equip a Yaris like the XB is and see how much you pay.
The Supercharger is not an option on any Scion.
The Supercharger is an after market part that can be purchased from the dealer or from TRD. The part cannot be financed with the car when you buy it.
The price is about $3500-$3800 plus negotiated installation price.
The Supercharger should be easily adapted to the 08 XB but TRD must go through the smog approval process to get the CARB exemption/approval
"Did Toyota miss the mark with the new 2008 Scion xB?"
http://www.thetorquereport.com/2007/05/did_toyota_miss_the_mark_with.html
Plumper and longer with no additional interior room, fuel economy DRAGGIN', a ride that has gone from fun to Camry-like, it think it done been AmURR-icanized! :-P
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
He is also repeating the same BS numbers that the "Expert" the TTAC review said. It does NOT get 25% less fuel economy, no matter how you run the numbers. Combined cycle using the 2008 numbers (2006 xB manual converted to 2008 numbers) is 12% lower for the new car. Combined cycle using the 2006 numbers (2008 converted to old EPA standard) it gets 12.5% lower economy.
The TTAC reviewer is the ONLY one I have seen who tore up the xB, every other press review has been, AT WORST, mixed. If the TTAC reviewer really believes that the first generation was almost without fault, he truly is biased. I liked the first gen, but it had many faults.
The new (in 2006 numbers): 24/30.
That means the '08 uses 18.5% MORE gas than the old. (using 32 and 27 as combined numbers, respectively). No, it's not an overwhelming difference, but it might be important to some buyers in an atmosphere of very high gas prices.
Especially since it is only a 4-cylinder engine, not ESPECIALLY fast even with the bump in size, and now has similar FE to models with a V-6.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
Use this calculator on the EPA site:
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/calculator.html
Type in 25/31. You will get 22/28 for 2008 numbers, exactly what the 2008 xB received.
The numbers for the 2006 you quoted are for the automatic model; I was using the manual model which is 30/33 because that is what I shopped. The auto-to-auto combined mileage difference is 0.5 mpg greater, but the old auto was WAY slower than the new auto, a more dramatic difference accelleration than the manual-to-manual comparison (because the old manual was geared into the stratosphere, ~4500 RPM @ 80 mph IIRC).
I should let you guys know that I bought a 2008 Black Sand Pearl xB (manual) less than a week ago. I shopped the 2006 and 2008 very heavily, and universally liked the 2008 better except for the mileage. I borrowed the dealership's (used) 2006 manual for a day, and carefully measured the mileage during my 30 mile, 80% city commute, and got 31.8 mpg. I did the same drive in very similar conditions with my 2008 yesterday, and got 28.7 mpg. That is a 3.1 mpg/11% difference. Take it with a grain of salt of course, I was driving for mileage in both cars, but the difference would probably have been much greater if I had been leadfooting the cars, as the 2.4 is capable of accelerating much faster and using more fuel. Driving like I stole it would probably yield 25 in the 2006 and 18 in the 2008, if I had to guess.
Honestly, I would much rather have 32 mpg than 29, but the small tradeoff was certainly worth it to me considering the power increase, better ride, nicer interior, more features, etc etc etc that the 2008 offers.
Just picked it on on Friday and too a 324 mile trip for a mpg of 30.1.
This baby rides smooooth and without wind noise. Another reason for liking this is when hitting bumps on the road it is smooth compared to other vechiles driven.
The only complaints are:
- No arm rest for the passenger
- For the driver, the left arm has no where to rest logically as the bottom of the window is to high and the area where the button are is too low. Otherwise this is a great buy.
-The backseat room is great.
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The Supercharger is an after market part that can be purchased from the dealer or from TRD. The part cannot be financed with the car when you buy it.
The price is about $3500-$3800 plus negotiated installation price.
The Supercharger should be easily adapted to the 08 XB...
I attended a TRD presentation to dealers at a Scion Backstage event. The TRD supercharger kit with its intake system, fuel injectors and mods to the ECU is a dealer-installed option on the 2008 xB. The kit has a list price of $3,200 plus 6 hours of flat-rate dealer labor. In the purchase, anything is negotiable, I suppose. I don't know why it should not be financed.
~alpha
not really, at least not with all that weight. Read the new inside line review. Barely half a second. Its amazing what torque makes people think!
I love edmunds editors. They will bash the civics dash but praise the totally out of line of sight xb's gauges.
A local dealer has a auto dark blue xb with nave and 16 inch alloys, and its going for 20k. Its been on the lot for 2 weeks so far. Mabye having an optioned out xb with bad fuel economy is not acceptable? At least with the old one, you could claim at least 30mpg possible.
I think its important to compare apples to apples here. There was no way the previous 103 horse xB automatic could hit 60 in under 10 seconds, let alone 9.
If you're referring to the comment in the 'Second Opinion' here on edmudns, I believe that editor needs to check his facts, for the reason mentioned above.
~alpha
The 2008 xB has electric power steering, not hydraulic.
The reviewer completely failed to mention the majority of the mileage drop was due to new testing standards.
The previous gen had a very generous back seat; unless the reviewer was referring to width with three across.
new xB: 8.6 seconds to 60 with automatic
old xB: 9.0 seconds to 60 with manual transmission and cold air intake package
~alpha