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My manual says to change it after 90,000 miles, they kept telling me it was a missprint in my manual.
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Any DIYer can do it in under 15 minutes.
What problem?
Don't want to change differential fluid, buy a 2WD version. Simple like that. It is a maintenance item, not a failure.
How is replacing differential fluid is different from replacing transmission fluid or engine oil?
It is just another fluid that degrades with time and needs to be replaced.
I don't see people crying foul when they have to change the engine oil. Unless you are one of those people I hear about that lease a car for 3 years and don't do any maintenance to it.
Can we focus on the diff problem, which has been recognized by Honda for years?! Let's work together to solve problems and help each other on this forum.
I was almost killed with two friends in my car when the car stopped due to the diff "going bad." The car was less than 1 month old. Oh, never mind... no problem with that.... :lemon: :lemon: :lemon: :lemon: :lemon:
Your peoblem is different from what most have experienced. Most have groaning rear differential. Yours has locked up.
I am sure the locked up differential was promptly replaced by Honda under warranty. So, all you have to do now is change the fluid every year or 30,000 miles.
What is the problem?
Is there another Honda dealer in the area to try? Whatever the outcome, please let is know how this turns out.
As to a class action suit, the result would likely be that attorneys get $124,999,997.87, while each consumer would get a coupon for $5 redeemable at their local dealer. Whoopee!
Well, SB 07-024 is pretty clear that this is under warranty. It also says that after warranty expires, it is eligible for goodwill consideration.
Hondas may be great cars, but it looks as though their dealers are just a slimy as other dealers. They try every deflection they can -- including outright lies -- in the hopes that you won't know the answer.
I am now at the stage of sending a complaint letter to Honda. I will gladly serve as a lead plaintiff for any class action suit. Even if plaintiffs get next to nothing, class action suits still serve the purpose of making it painful enough for companies and discourage them from playing these games.
Finally, if I have to pay out of my pocket, I'll go to my local mechanic, who can change a fluid for a h**l of a lot less than $70.
F
Did Honda make every effort to notify all Honda owners about this mistake that has printed on the manual? If Honda didn't and only said to customer(s) it was a misprint when the problem came up, then Honda is liable to pay for parts and labor to correct this problem.
Where can I print out a copy of the TSB #07-021 and or #07-024.
All of the links on this thread will not take me to it. Perhaps it is an outdated link.
I would like to go into the dealership with a copy of it so at least I look like an educated consumer HAHA. Basically I do not want to get charged!
Thanks! :mad:
Thanks again!
Then I read this forum and found out what he wasn't saying. If the owners manual suggests 60,000 and my Honda had the service twice before 40,000, shouldn't they reimburse me for the expense? I am ready to give my opinion when I get the service survey and will write a letter to Honda. Would any of this help? I have been polite so far, but this cover up angers me.
I'm looking for a dealer who'll treat it properly -- we have a couple of Honda dealers around here. Next step for me is to write to Honda USA.
Francis
Is what they're doing ethical? I don't think so, especially regarding the rear differential service. The dealer knows that Honda has a TSB out that authorizes payment, yet they charge you. The ought to reimburse you. I'd get a copy of the TSB. (http://www.in.honda.com/Rjanisis/pubs/SB/A07-024.PDF) Speak to the service manager. Any dealer interested in your continued business should try to accommodate you.
There is no substitute for Honda Dual pump fluid!
If the UK CR-V any similar to the US ones, brake calipers need to be taken off and the sliding pins lubricated with Molykote-77. If you live in a snow area, this service needs to beperformed after the wintry season.
It takes me about an hour to do all 4. I clean the stainless steel springs that hold the brake pads and lubricate them as well, as the edges of the brake backing.
I am surprized the dealer did not catch this. The tell tale sign of rear caliper binding is the hoise going away after you apply brakes.
It is just part of the preventative maintenance for the rear disk brakes.
Good luck.
We noticed also recently a noise with the car making sharp turns on the one off ramps of the highway. At first we thought the tire was bad, though they are fairly new, rotated the tires and the noise is still there. Can anyone help?
Could a differential problem cause a constant noise?
Is the car safe to drive?
We plan on calling the service department tomorrow, but i am worried ..... Help!
We noticed also recently a noise with the car making sharp turns on the one off ramps of the highway. At first we thought the tire was bad, though they are fairly new, rotated the tires and the noise is still there. Can anyone help?
Could a differential problem cause a constant noise?
Is the car safe to drive?
We plan on calling the service department tomorrow, but i am worried ..... Help!
Does the noise go away when you apply brakes?
If not, then it is probably the differential. You need to change the fluid at least every 30,000 miles.
If, yes, then it is the sliding caliper assembly that needs to be cleaned and lubriacated after every winter.
If your V is a 2002 and you've never clanged the rear diff fluid that has to be done no matter what else they find (if anything)
BTW, I went through the BBB Lemon Law challenge with Honda two years ago over the torque steer in my '05 and won. When you win under Virginia's Lemon Law, the manufacturer must buy back the vehicle, as well as pay you for interest on loans. The manufacturer deducts a certain amount for your use of the vehicle. I think it's half the IRS mileage reimbursement rate.....AND...you pay only for those miles up to the point of your first complaint. My first complaint to the dealer about torque steer was about 20,000 miles and lots of dealer visits before I won. So I didn't owe them very much. And I was getting my loan interest back.
Instead of a cash buy back, I asked and Honda agreed to sell me an '07 at a bit of a discount.
I love the '07. But sure enough I got the vibration/moan and the dealer changed the differential fluid and burnished its clutches at 17,430 miles. I can now feel it subtly returning, like Freddy Kruger or Jason, at 24,000 miles. I expect it to be much more noticeable in a few weeks.
BUNK to those who say Honda missprinted the recommended mileage for changing the differential fluid. This is a differential, for pete's sake, not an engine. They are supposed to go for a long time between changes. LONG time.
That's why Honda recommends 60,000 and 90,000 miles depending on driving conditions.
After learning here that some differentials have locked up at high speed, obviously a very dangerous situation, I intend to indicate to Honda and the dealer that I'm very concerned about this and believe the differential needs to be replaced.
When I went to arbitration over the torque steer a couple of years ago I was very careful not to cast it as a design defect. That isn't covered in the BBB Lemon Law program because design defects show up in lots and lots of cars and Lemons are supposedly somewhat unique. Honda's rep argued at arbitration that there was no torque steer problem in the '05, which actually helped me. To the arbitrator it meant this was not a design flaw. Then when I floored it from a stoplight in D.C. and the arbitrator grabbed the arm rest as the car accelerated out of the lane and toward the curb, I figured I might win.
Apparently Honda denies a design defect causes the differential problem. Fine.
Looks like I got another Lemon......one that can be fixed with a new differential.
And there's another twist. When I ordered the car loaded with everything.....navigation etc.....I specifically did not request AWD because I wanted slightly better mileage and we don't get much snow here. But it came with AWD anyway, no extra charge, probably because NOBODY orders one with everything BUT AWD and it would have been more trouble for them......sort of like asking McDonalds for a hamburger without mustard....it knocks them off stride.
By the way, I saw somewhere that Honda touted a curious change in the '07. They redesigned the front suspension, they said, to eliminate torque steer........even though there never really was a problem.
That is good writing re the Lemon Law
I’m thrilled for you as far as winning in VA over the torque steer issue.
Even though my 06 CRV had the rear diff issue at 25K (I have 60 k now and I’ve changed the rear diff twice, I see too many Vs of all generations on the road to think the problem is systemic but of course who knows if they’re AWD.
As a Honda owner since 1977, I am surprised at this issue but so far no one’s been able to pin this as a recall kind of “Design Flaw Issue”
Hunt around the rear diff posts and look for TSB regarding this, I would but I’m outta here for a while
Later
(here it is http://www.in.honda.com/Rjanisis/pubs/SB/A07-024.PDF
I have the TSB. But it calls only for a fluid change and clutch burnishing. If I now need another such fluid change after just 6,000 or 7,000 miles since the first one, with the expensive expectation of more of the same until the car and I do part, then I need a new and improved differential. That is my belief. And that will be my stance with Honda and the dealer.
Thanks again for your insightful post! Keep us posted on any changes.
May I suggest studying the differences between a Honda RT4WD Differential and JUST a differential.
It is like using any stereotype about people. Sounds plain un-smart and un-educated.
No questions asked and Honda service manager was very professional and went out of his way to make me happy.
Obviously HONDA knows that their rear differentials have issues. I was totally impressed with HONDA service manager.
By the way I have an Engineering degree with an MBA and do know something about cars.
I have a hard time equating people with differentials.
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No questions asked and Honda service manager was very professional and went out of his way to make me happy.
Obviously HONDA knows that their rear differentials have issues. I was totally impressed with HONDA service manager.
By the way I have an Engineering degree with an MBA and do know something about cars.
Then the engineering degree should have suggested that the problem is with the fluid breaking down, not differential.
By subtracting equations:
Same differential, old fluid = does not work
Same differential, new fluid = works
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Old Fluid = does not work.
Do Hondas in Canada come with longer powertrain warranty than the bumper to bumper warranty? The ones in the US come with 3 year/36,000 mile bumper to bumper, and 5 years/60,000 mile powertrain warranty.
Not sure if the 5% increase was due to law suit settled in the US over the odometer inaccuracy.
If it happens that they've produced a differential that needs its oil changed and its clutch plates burnished every 7,000 miles or so, they screwed up. (And I expect they know it.) They seem to believe the engine needs oil changes every 10,000 miles. And of course a differential would be expected to go much longer between changes, even one named R2-D2 or whatever.