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The dealer who sold me the car gave me the 1st oil change free, which I just claimed.
Our 2008 Accord we got from the mega dealer in town, while the 2013 was from the much smaller dealer who offered a better price. Both have nice waiting areas and good service as far as I can tell. I do keep my receipts, but I'm also glad that Honda keep the records in their database as well.
"A six-speed Accord Sport sedan for $24,505 rates as the best all-around value for a new car, period."
And you might, actually, be able to get 2000 off of that price.
http://www.caranddriver.com/features/2014-10best-cars-feature-dynasties-2014-bmw- -3-and-4-series-honda-accord-page-3
Best styling (very subjective, I know)
3-way tie: Optima, Fusion, Mazda6
honorable mention (for me): Accord (in a form follows function way)
worst (for me): Camry
Best mpg standard model auto:
Nissan Altima is rated 31 combined mpg by the EPA
honorable mention: Accord 30, Mazda6 30
Safest:
Accord, according to IIHS
Fastest acceleration:
V-6: Accord
4 with 6 speed manual: Accord
4 auto: Accord again? Or is someone else faster? Don't know...
Best handling and steering:
Mazda6, according to most comparison test drives that I've read
Best visibility:
Accord
Quality and reliability:
tie? Optima, Accord and maybe some others?
The midsize segment is the most competitive its ever been. The winner is the consumer....
Sales of its diesel products rose to almost 30% this year, much greater than the 18% expected.
The Passat is what helped them do it apparently. I would much rather drive a Passat TDI than a Prius or really almost any other high MPG sedan. I think view it as a better alternative to buying hybrid this and that, which are a lot more complicated and expensive, and nowhere near as classy and attractive. A diesel really suits american driving tastes too. Lots of torque down low delivers the "oomph" we crave down low to squirt into traffic w/o prayer or drama.
How do I know? I owned a '96 Green Passat TDI. It had a whopping 90 horsepower, but almost 200 lb ft of torque. It got the job done, and I got 45 mpg w/o even trying.
Most attractive for under $25,000
Accord Sport, Mazda6 Sport, Optima EX
Most attractive over $25,000
Accord V6 Touring, Passat 3.6 SEL, Optima SX-L (I would love to say Mazda 6 Touring....but not w/ 185 hp for $32,000)
Least attractive/memorable
Camry, Malibu, Altima
The EPA estimates the following
2014 Passat turbo diesel auto, 34 combined mpg
Annual fuel cost: c. $1700
2014 Nissan Altima 31 combined
Annual fuel cost: c. $1550
Since diesel fuel costs more than regular gas these days, the higher mpg of the Passat turbodiesel can be more than wiped out....
The Kia Optima, by the way, was estimated to have annual fuel costs of $1750. So the difference between your car and a Passat diesel is maybe one tank a year? Not worth the smoke and hassles of a diesel imho.
But maybe the epa underestimates the mpg of diesels? I don't know....
I have started to try to correct my driving habits recently. Easy on the gas, and using the instant mileage meter to try and keep it over 25 mpg. It is darn hard. I am still at 22 mpg. It is frustrating to not get the 24 mpg on the sticker...ever.
I am going to ask on the Optima boards what kind of MPG they are getting. I will report back in 24 hours with some figures. Should be interesting.
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Accord 27,093
Altima 24,604
Fusion 22,839
Sonata 16,595
Malibu 14,405
Optima 10,871
Passat 8,876
200 5,621
Avenger 4,887
Mazda6 3,641
Legacy 2,911
(source: tsx at vtec.net. Thanks)
Bottom line: no one is selling as many as they can make at this point.
I thought by now it might be closer to neck and neck, and that the Camry might be stumbling a little more than it is. I still expected it to win for calendar year 2013, but now I have to admit that it's not even that close. Toyota has said they'll put as much cash on the hood as needed to stay #1, and so I expect them to have a total blowout in December. My guess is that more than 40,000 new Camrys will find new homes this month.
My other guess, however, is that Honda, Nissan, and Ford, will also up their incentives, although not by nearly as much. In any case, I expect that they will all have a banner month, which each of them selling more than 30,000 of their car in December.
But the rankings for the year will be much like you see here. Camry will have a strong lead for #1. Honda is making progress and closing the gap a little, but since they built a better (and more expensive to build and sell car), they can't give them away. They need to sell them on quality and value, which is working so far.
Nissan, however, I expect to realize that their attempt at a home-run with the new Altima was only a double. They might put some major money on the their car and start blowing them out the door.
Ford, however, is in a position closer to Honda's. Ford built a better and more expensive car with the Fusion, and so although low Mexican wages help them out a bit on the price front, they won't start giving away the new model. That's why just a couple of months after starting production of the Fusion in Michigan they are already dialing back their number there.
VW must be upset about the Passat. I think they were expecting numbers close to the Sonata at this point, but so far it's just not happening, even with the success of their turbo diesel models.
Mazda is doing well with the all-new 6, but as someone once said, "twice nothing is still nothing." 3,600 a month isn't nothing, but at this point they aren't a big player. But expect the sales of the Mazda6 to grow strongly in 2014. A year from now they could double their numbers again, passing cars like the Avenger and 200.
My 2 cents as I waste time....
That compares with c. 23 in the city and 30-31 on the hwy with our 2008 Accord, which is also right around the sticker rating.
Toyota Camry 378,520
Honda Accord 334,357
Nissan Altima 295,907
Ford Fusion 270,872
Hyundai Sonata 189,169
Chevrolet Malibu 185,101
Kia Optima 146,419
Volkswagen Passat 100,398
Chrysler 200 116,828
Dodge Avenger 88,892
Mazda6 39,273
Subaru Legacy 39,352
Read more: http://wot.motortrend.com/1312_november_midsize_sales_toyota_camry_in_first_pass- at_passes_200.html#ixzz2mSFDB52v
It's not a floor, any vehicle can do worse than the city rating, depending on driving style and conditions.
My Explorer is rated at 14 MPG city. When my kids drove it, they regularly got between 11 and 12 MPG.
Short trips and foot on the gas all the time.
It took me 3 weeks to go through the last tank in my Fusion.
Short trips, traffic, and winter gas returned the worst mileage ever, 23.9.
Any of the 2.0 turbo cars are fairly close the the V6's.
The Fusion and Legacy are available with AWD, so they are the best handlers in the real world.
C & D has a 2012 V-6 Camry SE at 5.8.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2013-honda-accord-sedan-v-6-test-review
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/toyota-camry-se-v6-road-test-review
Edmunds has a 2.0 Fusion AWD making it to 60 in 6.9.
http://www.edmunds.com/ford/fusion/2013/road-test-specs1.html
Not only that, the part of the country they were tested at, looking at the pictures, and thus the track was different.
Not really an apples to apples comparison.
Fusion was reviewed by Edmunds, not C&D, also not a straight up comparison.
Not sure which 10 Best list YOU saw, but the one I saw had the Mazda6 on it also. I consider the Mazda6 to be a "midsize and mid-price" car.
I have been trying to keep the instant mileage bar as close as I can to max mpg by being totally stingy with the gas. I have been diligent with it for almost a week now, but short trips and traffic hamper my goals as well.
I am at 22 mpg. The average of the 16 average mpg posts that I received is 26.2 on the 2.4 liter Optima.
So, lets see what luxury car money buys you in an 85" TV. Please read!
http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-UN85S9-85-Inch-Ultra-Smart/forum/Fx13P0E9HR5I7UE/-- /1/ref=cm_cd_dp_aar_ql?_encoding=UTF8&asin=B00CMEN95U
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My wife has the same engine in her 2013 Escape.
So far, it has not come close to the 28 mpg highway rating, but overall it's averaged a bit better than the '09 Escape with the same horsepower.
I have been driving like an old man for 5 days now, trying to up my mpg to at least 24, but I am still at 22. However, I am filling up today, and will be trying to reach 25 mpg diligently. On my last fill up I started off at 15.9 and it took a week to get to 19.
I would hope my TPMS would let me know on the tires. It is really hard to tell pressure on radials!
My fusion is great - still loving it. Got all of the early build issues fixed (missing trim, fuel tank capacity problem). Just checked and my lifetime average is 21.5 mpg which is exactly what I expected. Although I have to admit I'm smitten with the 2015 mustang. That thing is sharp!
When I bought LRR tires for my Explorer, local driving mileage went up, but highway stayed about the same.
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I don't know if it is LRR or not. It is considered "better" at F/E in the description. The guy I bought them from said F/E would be about the same.
I was interested in a quiet and softer ride, but wet traction was my main priority. I hate to slide. I don't like the feeling that I am close to sliding by just driving normally in a misty drizzle.
I came out of a Jeep Grand Cherokee V8 Quadra-Trac II 4x4, and I really miss the wet traction. If I had the wheels cocked to make a right on red, and it was raining, my GC would slide out a bit in the back, and then bite down and accelerate with no prob at all. I really miss the V8 growl and the confidence I had while driving in inclement weather. Goodyear Wrangler LT 245?/60/16 tires came stock on the V8 G/C Laredo in case you guys still have an SUV.
If I tried that same corner with my Optima with the old Nexen's, it would just spin and spin while the traction control tried in vain to cope, with the engine bouncing off the rev limiter. Not fun.
With the Bridgestone Tuaranza's, the traction is much better. The traction control only kicks in about half as much, and I am able to merge into traffic with more confidence in similar situations where the wheels are cocked.
I never liked the Mustang interior as well, but this one looks great IMHO.
Here is the image URL: http://www.ford.com/global/2015mustang/img/plates/s550_feature_1480x700_tech_fro- m_passenger.jpg
and: http://www.ford.com/global/2015mustang/img/plates/s550_feature_1480x700_cockpit.- jpg
Make mine the Coyote 5.0 V8, blood red, with black and tan interior (if available).
The Nexen's are a couple of pound lighter, but they don't have any treadwear warranty at all.
The main problems with selling it globally are being addressed. The addition of a competitive IRS module (finally!), 300 lbs of weight loss, better quality materials inside and out, and more efficient powertrains including a 2.3 turbo with 310 hp, and adding the 3.5 liter ecoboost twin turbo down the road as an upgrade to the base 3.7. The 5.0 liter Coyote "Five-Point-0" will continue to power the GT.
Sorry I went on and on, but I have always wanted one, and now Ford is finally producing one with all the modern goodies(quality dash, Independent suspension) that are standard on the very cars we have now in this forum costing far less.
Merchant's didn't want to use the coupon in conjunction with the BOGO but the manager got it done. They have always been good to me FYI. The tires continue to show no wear at all. Nexen's = crap.
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I don't understand the popularity of the current Camaro either. It has a terrible interior, is way too big, and you can't see out of it. I can't imagine living with one every day. I like the current Mustang a lot better. I'm not so sure the new one stacks up as well as the current model. But we'll wait until we see one in the flesh.
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Mazda6 85%
Passat TDI 83%
Accord 82%
Fusion 74%
Optima(turbo) 73%
Camry 73%
Legacy 71%
Optima 64%
Malibu 63%
Sonata 63%
200 (6 cyl) 62%
Altima 62%
200 (4 cyl) 56%
I suspect that conservative Toyota is still perfecting a DI engine of some sort..but they sure don't need to have anymore engine woes come to mind for shoppers now after the oil sludge scene. I think that there is just enough different content in our gas vs the EUs, that ours don't burn as clean. Remember when we had MMT in it? The EU weren't using that crap during those years either..I don't think..
I'm surprised the Legacy and Altima scored as low as they did. Subaru owners tend to be pretty loyal, and the Altima is a solid car, far better than the likes of the 200 and Malibu IMO.
I am also not surprised by the Accord and Camry scores as buyers of those tend to be very loyal and think they have the best cars in the world. The makes having scores in the 60s represent the center of the market, not particularly loyal one way or the other. Buy an Altima this time around, something different next time. No real surprise.
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