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  • bhmr59bhmr59 Member Posts: 1,601
    Your joking statement is really "twice as good at half the price." That would make it something close to 4 times as good.

    And, your twice as good warranty is 1 year or 12K miles better than Hyundai's B2B but 2 years less (and 20K miles more) than Hyundai's power train.
  • goodegggoodegg Member Posts: 905
    I guess someone would have to be part of the "us" group to understand. It makes no sense to me. To me, buying any used car is a gamble. never know what the previous owner did or didn't do to it. and many times, they sell their cars because they know something you don't. I swore off buying used cars long, long ago.

    No way in the world I pay MORE for a used car that somebody possibly abused the hell out of, realized what he did, and decided to unload it, than I would for a brand new, 100k warrantied car. just because it had an "H" on the grille, or the toyota logo.


    I totally agree. I'll never buy used for the exact reasons you state. I've got my eyes on a Hyundai when my daughter reaches driving age in a little over a year. I want her to have a safe, new car with (hopefully) no issues. A used Civic? Na. A new Accent for the same money? Probably.

    And I'm a diehard Honda-er. But they don't have a lock on building good cars.
  • baggs32baggs32 Member Posts: 3,229
    C&D thinks maybe MY09 we'll see it in the Fusion. That's right in line with what I've read on other forums from Ford sources. It appears, from the articles I've read, that the TwinForce DI 2.5L I4 option for the Fusion will get 30% better fuel economy than the current I4 and offer more power. At what cost I don't know.

    Add a little restyle inside and out (which we've possibly seen before here), another plant to meet demand and they're back in business. :shades:
  • bhmr59bhmr59 Member Posts: 1,601
    Hyundai Sonata's long-term reliability rating has been climbing since approx the 2000 model year. Granted that was the previous generation Sonata, but if we can assume Accord/Camry reliability ratings carry forward from one generation to another, we should apply the same standard to the Sonata unless proven otherwise.

    You're asking for a 6 year track record. Sonata already has a 7 or so year track record.
  • jd10013jd10013 Member Posts: 779
    There are plenty of great used cars out there.

    I won't argue that, but there are plenty more used cars that are junk, abused, mistreated ect.

    And if it has an "H" on the grill, you don't need a warranty, right?

    when did I ever imply that?

    I've been fortunate. I've been able to buy new for awhile now. Not anything I want, (never spent more than 23k) but if for some reason my finances changed, and I had to lower my spending amount to 15k, I would get the best new car I could for 15k. not a used, out of warrnaty one becase of the badge, whichever one it was.

    and actually pay more for that used one to boot.
  • bhmr59bhmr59 Member Posts: 1,601
    This suggests that cars aren't lasting more than the warranty periods.

    Well, my '05 Sonata GLS SV power train warranty is 10 years. If it quits after 10 years in will have cost me $1670 per year, plus 1/10th of the sales tax and other minor gov't charges. If a Camcord quits at the end of it's warranty, what is it's annual cost?

    That's a beauty of the Hyundai warranty...no major expenses until after the car loan has been paid off.
  • jd10013jd10013 Member Posts: 779
    've got my eyes on a Hyundai when my daughter reaches driving age in a little over a year.

    thats funny, I've had the same discussion with my girls, the first of which will be driving in a year also. she actually went with me when I bought my 07 altima (I wanted her to see how damn expensive cars are) and saw several cars on the lot that she told me she would like to drive. I then informed her that her first car would most likely be domestic, or kia/hyundai. she said it wasn't fair. :P
  • bhmr59bhmr59 Member Posts: 1,601
    "That's not fair."

    Ask her what "fair" means.

    Many people say something is not "fair" when they should be saying they do not like something.

    But any kid should be happy if his/her parents by him a car, new or used, regardless of make or model. Tell her not to act spoiled, or else she won't get ANY car.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Member Posts: 9,731
    I thought I would be disappointed with a then-7 year old Accord automatic 4-door. Plastic hubcaps, 130 horsepower, automatic.

    As it turns out, it STILL gets me from A to B, and when I turned 16, it didn't matter what kind of car it was. It was a set of WHEELS!
  • mcoctopusmcoctopus Member Posts: 13
    Hi,

    Well maintained 06 Camry SE with 38000 miles on it. Owner's offer is 16000. What u think? Shud I go for it?
  • louisweilouiswei Member Posts: 3,715
    Oh Heck no...

    Is it a V6 or I4? For a V6 I wouldn't pay more than $14,500 and for an I4 not a dime more than $13,000.
  • jd10013jd10013 Member Posts: 779
    Part of its my fault. I've let her know of my disdain for domestic cars, and have always talked highly of the honda/nissan cars I've owned. When informed that she would probably end up in a ford/GM due to price (she'll pay for it herself, I'll just co-sign) her reaction was more or less "but you said fords arn't any good"

    But my first car was a I4 <100hp 85 1/2 ford escort with a 4spd manual. that was in '89 I think, and I was gratefull to have it. I realy missed it when I totaled it and ended up in a 1981 chevy chevette.
  • mcoctopusmcoctopus Member Posts: 13
    i4.

    Edmunds says 16,000. My offer was 15,2 and thinking if I shud up it.
  • waygrabowwaygrabow Member Posts: 214
    I think dealers try to overcharge significantly on recent model used Honda's and Toyotas, they almost cost as much as a New one!
    It isn't just Honda and Toyota. When I sold my Mazda3 on my own, I noticed dealer ads for used Mazda3's asking as much or more than what I paid for mine when it was new. It was easy for me to undercut the dealers and still get far more than I would have received as a trade in.
  • goodegggoodegg Member Posts: 905
    I think dealers try to overcharge significantly on recent model used Honda's and Toyotas, they almost cost as much as a New one!

    Welcome to the subprime world in car sales. Its amazing - a guy with weak credit goes in to buy a new Honda. The prime lender says no, but the subprimer says OK to the used one COSTING THE SAME OR MORE as the new one!

    So the guy that has a tough time getting a good loan for various reasons ends up with a costlier loan on an older vehicle. Kinda backwards, but its the way of the world.

    They also use the used vehicles as bait for the new. You say "why would I pay $26,000 for a used one when I can buy the new one for $26,500?".
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    Relating back to a recent thread, this is an interesting choice: a used Camry for which the bumper-to-bumper warranty is expired, probably due for new tires soon (maybe it has new tires?), expensive 60k service due in 22k miles, and the previous-generation design... which was rated by most professional reviewers as behind cars like the Fusion and Sonata... vs. a brand-new mid-sized car like a Fusion, Milan, Sonata, Optima, or even a loaded Elantra (mid-sized interior, compact length) for about the same money. I'd go with the brand-new car (I'm very particular about break-in and maintenance), but if the Camry were Certified with an extended warranty and had all maintenance up to date and new rubber, and was in impeccable comdition, that could make it tougher.
  • oldcemoldcem Member Posts: 309
    It suggests to me that the people couldn't really afford the car in the first place, nor the proper maintenance needed to keep the cars in service.

    OldCEM
  • zzzoom6zzzoom6 Member Posts: 425
    yeah, and if you like to ride in a marshmellow on wheels... ok, ok, sorry that's a bit harsh, but really, what do you find appealing about that car? do you like driving at all? or is it just a way to get from point a to b and that's it? granted, my priorities are a little different, but when you consider most other midsize cars are just as reliable over a five year period according to Consumer Reports AND JD Powers, I don't see the appeal of a camry at all. Especially a used one for 16k.
  • zzzoom6zzzoom6 Member Posts: 425
    On my way home from work, it seemed like everyone was way too impatient to get their holiday started, so there was a lot of really bad driving, much moreso than usual. So I'm driving at 45mph passing cars stopped at a stop light in the lane that goes the opposite way as me, and out pops a bmw making a left turn right in front of me. To my left are all the cars waiting for the light to turn green, and to the right is a concrete wall...nowhere to go. Slam on my brakes and stop 3 feet from a fairly new 3 series bmw and a really freaked out girl sitting in the bmw's passenger seat. My first thought was #$%@^&amp;*!!!. My second thought was glad I drove a Mazda6 with some of the best brakes in this class.

    So lesson #1... drive safely over the holidays people!!! Expect some really bad driving and be patient.

    And lesson #2... if you're in the market for a new car, remember, good brakes can not only save you the hassle of getting your car fixed and appraised by an adjuster, but it could keep you and others from getting injured.
  • poncho167poncho167 Member Posts: 1,178
    "She might be happy with her Aura right now.... maybe even for a period of 3 years. But watch out when that warranty expires and the car goes to hell in typical domestic fashion."

    I have owned American domestic vehicles for over 25-years and have never experienced your nightmares. I have seen and heard the same regarding Japanese cars, but instead of calling them names and doubting their quality, I just take it as the one that got away during assembly, or the owners fault at not maintaining it. The same can be said for a Japanese car if not maintained, but the fact that you appear to actually believe what you are saying is pretty sad.
  • jeffyscottjeffyscott Member Posts: 3,855
    When informed that she would probably end up in a ford/GM due to price (she'll pay for it herself, I'll just co-sign) her reaction was more or less "but you said fords arn't any good"

    And what was your response to that, did you admit that you had exxagerated? ;):D
  • jd10013jd10013 Member Posts: 779
    yes, I did. I know ford builds pretty good cars now, as do GM and chrysler. My only problem with ford and the other domestic cars are problems I had 15 yrs ago. same held true with my last purchase. I love my altima, but looking at it logicaly, it is pretty hard to justify the extra 2-3k it cost over the fusion. I do think nissan puts a better engine in the altima, and the cvt is very nice, but don't know that it justifies a 2-3 thousand premium.
  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,729
    do not, I repeat, DO NOT do the same mistake my Parents and I did with me.

    I was in a similar situation at 16 with my Dad willing to cough up some dough for a new car, but he put a dollar limit and I had to cover the rest. The dollar limit was a big mistake because it made me think I had to go American to get the most "bang for my buck." And heck, it should be cheaper, there is less shipping costs right? :P

    Anyway, I was thinking horsepower, and fuel economy. I should have been thinking reliability, long term quality, and resale!

    With the lower dollar limit and my not having much money of my own, and thinking I just had to have a NEW car (a used Civic would have been a MUCH better choice, possibly literally a hundred times better choice!). So instead of getting a 2 or 3 year old Civic I got a new '95 Dodge.

    Wow, what a mistake. Do not do the same to your daughter. The few thousand you save now will be gone by year 4 in repair costs and tow truck services. Furthermore, she will be stranded multiple times, which is probably worse for a female than a male.

    Lastly, when she goes to trade it in or sell it privately, she'll curse you and hate you forever when she gets peanuts and sees that the same year Honda is selling for $5-7,000 dollars still. So not only have you spent thousands extra in repair bills vs. the Honda or Toyota, and hundreds in tow truck costs, but then you get the final knockout punch in terrible resale value.

    Also there is the fact that 10% of the year your car is in the shop. Which means she'll be borrowing yours.

    Happened to me.... since my Dodge was worth nothing, and I was still in college and poor, I had to "borrow" that 95 Camry of my parents for a few years until I got on my feet after college. That Camry ran fine and didn't cause me any problems. Parents took it back when I bought 03 Accord Coupe and used it for even a few more years. Then they sold it at like 120K miles for 3,500 dollars.
    '15 Audi Misano Red Pearl S4, '16 Audi TTS Daytona Gray Pearl, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,132
    >few thousand you save now will be gone by year 4 in repair costs and tow truck services.

    > she'll curse you and hate you forever when she gets peanuts and sees that the same year Honda is selling for $5-7,000 dollars

    >Also there is the fact that 10% of the year your car is in the shop.

    Your exaggerations don't make your post seem credible at all. So you're basing all this "knowledge" on your experience with a Dodge that you chose badly? Have you checked JD Powers ratings on new cars the last several years? There's no difference between most car brands.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,132
    >lemon stories are 100 to 1 in terms of quantity with American to Japanese. So the Americans are making 100 times more lemons than the Japanese,

    Everyone explains that the discussion groups attract the complainers. You can't judge the numbers of real problems from a few complainers who post multiple places, multiple times and exaggerate. Some even make up complaints about cars they don't like or feel threatened by to smear their image.

    As for your Dodge, is it possible your transmission was "abused"? I know how some young guys drive...

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • caazcaaz Member Posts: 209
    Nothing wrong with a 5 yr old Focus....great lil reliable car, you can prob pick it up for 3500 to 5,000...also dodge neon...dodge stratus...chevy Aveo....cobalt...etc..a 6 yr old civiv will still cost you almost 7 grand.
  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,729
    You realize that the Neon is the Dodge I had??????

    Anyway, to call the Neon a good choice or reliable is to call the State Lottery an excellent investment.

    You made my point though with the values you posted, Civic wins by 3K or more even with an extra year of age!
    '15 Audi Misano Red Pearl S4, '16 Audi TTS Daytona Gray Pearl, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
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  • louisweilouiswei Member Posts: 3,715
    I have to agree with andre3 regarding this topic.

    When I went to college in 2000 my parents put a $15,000 limit for me to choose a car. Instead of a brand new compact or domestic I choose a 1997 Honda Accord LX with 36,000 miles on it. When I graduated from grad school in 2006, it had 120,000 miles on it. I handed it to my sister after purchased my current ride (an IS350 :blush: ) and it is still running strong as we speak. During the 6-year period I had the car, besides the routine maintenance the only other unexpected costs are 1. replace the alternator and 2. replace the radiator. Never had any problem with the engine or transmission and this is for imidazol97... I did drive it pretty aggressive ;) .

    With my and my family's own experience, combine with andre3's horror story I just can't come up with a single reason why should I go with anything else other than a Honda or Toyota. Well... BMW might be another alternative when it's time to part away with my IS350. :P
  • caazcaaz Member Posts: 209
    my Nephew 3 yrs ago bought a neon.....an 03 for about 6300.00 he put 80k miles on it in 3 yrs...No repairs other than brakes.oil...rubber (tires)....He sold it last month for 5100.00.
  • caazcaaz Member Posts: 209
    I bought my daughter a 328i for her 16th B-day. he's now 19. We've done the brakes once and oil changes, no other repairs. I paid 8300.00 and could prob still sell it for 6500.00... Its a very very minst 96 328i....still looks new...

    #2 My 2nd daughter recieved a Mustang GT for her 16th...I found a mint 01 with about 80 k miles. She's had it 1 full yr now.....No problems...oil changes only...So it really depends what the condition the car is when you buy it...and how good yopu are at negotiationg
  • urnewsurnews Member Posts: 668
    a 6 yr old civiv will still cost you almost 7 grand.

    No way would I pay $7,000 for a 6-year-old Civic, a 2001 model.
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Member Posts: 5,751
    "There's no difference between most car brands."

    Other than the fact the Dodge just issued a recall involving Nitros. In my mind there is a difference, and maybe a lot of people also see, hear and feel the difference.
  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,729
    And there's no way I'd pay $1 for a brand new Dodge, let alone a used one!

    But let's get back to the topic of midsize cars, which the Civic, nor the Neon is.
    '15 Audi Misano Red Pearl S4, '16 Audi TTS Daytona Gray Pearl, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • patpat Member Posts: 10,421
    There are very few posts regarding the topical vehicles here in the last 24 hours or so. I think all of you remember that the other midsize sedans discussion was shut down because too many people could not stay on topic. It looks to me like we're headed down the same road again.

    I have no plans for a Midsize Sedans 3.0. Any of you who would like this discussion to continue need to be mindful of the subject when you are preparing to post.

    If you have comments you'd like to make about some subject that doesn't belong here, the search features on the left should help you. And either Kirstie or I or any host would be happy to help you find an appropriate discussion, just drop any of us an email.

    But here we are talking about midsize sedans. Period. You are putting your posting privileges at risk by continuing to ignore that. And if too many of you continue to ignore that, you are clearly saying this topic has run its course.
  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,729
    I don't think Hyundai Sonata's problem is history or reputation. I think their problem is style and substance. They are a bargain basement value vehicle option, plain and simple. They might offer good bang for the buck, but they aren't making the best cars out there in any segment by any stretch of the imagination. Best gas mileage, nope. Best power, nope. Best interior, nope. Best price, yes.

    Any facts to the contrary need sources and explanations, I never heard of the Sonata having class leading mileage.
    '15 Audi Misano Red Pearl S4, '16 Audi TTS Daytona Gray Pearl, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    Seven years ago I might have gone the used Accord route also. But now it's 2007 and the mid-sized sedan market is much different, with many fine choices. For example, when I was at the Mazda dealer the other day having my van serviced, I noticed that the no-haggle price on a 2007 Mazda6i Special Value Edition (17" alloys, sport package, CD changer, power seat etc.) was about $16k. Great looking car, great driving car, brand new, full factory warranty, free oil changes for life (from this dealer). I've seen Milans and Fusions advertised at $15k recently, and Sonatas under $14k. So nowadays I'd tend to go the new car route if I had $15-16k to spend on a car, unless I needed something above the mid-sized sedan class e.g. a minivan (which btw I bought used as a 2002 last year for only $12.5k with a 100k bumper-to-bumper zero-deductible warranty, MSRP was twice that, and the interior looked like the van had never been driven).
  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,729
    Great looking car, great driving car, brand new, full factory warranty,

    It should be noted that Mazda slashed their "full factory warranty" term by 25% in both mileage and years for 2007.

    So with cheaper prices comes "we don't stand behind our product anymore."

    The dealer's explanation at the Mazda in Southern California was not holding water for me, he said "If Honda and Toyota can do it, why can't Mazda?"

    LOL, I can think of a lot of red circle reasons. I'm not saying Mazda doesn't make good vehicles, but I don't think they are at Honda/Toyota league levels. If I was considering a Mazda6, I'd want the longer warranty.
    '15 Audi Misano Red Pearl S4, '16 Audi TTS Daytona Gray Pearl, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    I am having this feeling of deja vu, all over again. :confuse:

    Here is the link noting the Sonata being #1 in fuel economy in its EPA class:

    http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bestworst.shtml

    Also, the Sonata leads the mid-sized class in interior room. Note on the following page, none of the other cars are in the mid-sized class (EPA classes are by interior volume, meaning Accord, Camry, and all the rest of the cars we are discussing here have less interior volume than the Sonata):

    http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/byEPAclass.htm

    Also, the Sonata has more standard safety equipment than any other car in the mid-sized class we are discussing here. It's the only car from this discussion with standard ABS, ESC, side airbags and curtains, four-wheel disc brakes, and active front head restraints standard on all trim lines.
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    If you are looking for a long warranty in the mid-sized class, check out the Galant, Optima, or Sonata--all have a 5/60k bumper-to-bumper warranty and 10/100k powertrain warranty.

    I guess you could also say that, with the higher prices of Accords and Camrys comes "we don't stand behind our products", given their relatively short warranties.
  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,729
    http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bestworst.shtml

    Also, the Sonata leads the mid-sized class in interior room. Note on the following page, none of the other cars are in the mid-sized class (EPA classes are by interior volume, meaning Accord, Camry, and all the rest of the cars we are discussing here have less interior volume than the Sonata):


    The problem with your link and argument is that it is plainly and truly false. The EPA has a weird "rental car-like company" way of classifying cars. Most people wouldn't buy that the Sonata is a "full size car" as listed by the EPA. It is a midsize car and hence one of the cars in this discussion.

    Furthermore, ANY midsizer would have the best gas mileage in the large SUV category, so that goes to show you how missclassification can make the Sonata seem better than it is in fuel economy. The truth is, that midsize sedans (which are the topic of this forum) are lead by Toyota and Nissan on the website link you provided. Lastly, the 4 cylinder Accord gets 10-15% better mileage than the Sonata, both in city and highway.
    '15 Audi Misano Red Pearl S4, '16 Audi TTS Daytona Gray Pearl, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • urnewsurnews Member Posts: 668
    I don't think Hyundai Sonata's problem is history or reputation. I think their problem is style and substance. They are a bargain basement value vehicle option, plain and simple.

    I have no complaints to air about the Sonata and actually own a Fusion -- are there any other Fusion (Milan) owners on this thread? -- but the Sonata's MSRP doesn't seem all that much of a "bargain basement" price. Am I missing something?

    What does a well-equipped, top-of-the-line V6 Accord or V6 Camry go for these days? $30,000? Aren't the 4-cylinder base models of the Fusion (Milan), Altima, Legacy, Accord, Camry, Aura, et al all within a thousand dollars of each other?

    By the way, GM's having an Accord and Camry on the Aura's showroom floor is a very gutsy move. It will be interesting to see how this pans out. It's taking Ford's "Challenge" one step higher.

    No market segment has keener competition than the mid-size one. High stakes poker at work here. I am noticing a significant increase in the number of Honda ads here lately, mostly for the Accord.
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    Yes, Honda and Toyota were forced to increase their powertrain warranties from a paltry 3 years/36k miles to 5 years/60k miles to get closer to what the competition is offering. If the Accord and Camry are better built than the competition, and as rock-solid reliable as you claim, then increasing the powertrain warranty (even the bumper-to-bumper warranty) would cost Honda and Toyota nothing, but would reap benefits in having the best-backed cars in the mid-sized class. Imagine an Accord with a 10-year, 150,000 mile bumper-to-bumper warranty and a 20-year, 300,000 mile powertrain warranty--transferrable of course. Toyota could do the same with the Camry. What great selling tools! Honda and Toyota could even get away with eliminating incentives on the Accord and Camry, maybe even raise prices some, because of the value of these long warranties. At no extra cost to Honda and Toyota. Why do you suppose they haven't taken this easy step to demonstrate in a big way that they have a huge lead on their competition in reliability, while increasing their profits on the Accord and Camry (and their other vehicles)?
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    You know, it's hard to have a discussion with someone who asks for links to back up an assertion, then when the links are provided they simply say, "it is plainly and truly false."

    I don't see what is false about the fact that the Sonata leads its EPA class in fuel economy. It is a fact, plain and simple. Sonata has the room of a large car. That is the EPA class it is in. It has more interior room than any other car we are discussing here. That advantage allows the Sonata to grab the #1 spot in fuel economy for large cars. Large-car interior room for a mid-sized price--and a low mid-sized price at that. More demonstration of the Sonata's value, wouldn't you say?
  • urnewsurnews Member Posts: 668
    Backy,

    I suspect your tongue was firmly implanted in your cheek when you wrote that. Either that or a touch of sarcasm. But I like the idea. Heck, I'd trade in our new Fusion for an Accord with a deal like that. LOL. Who wouldn't?
  • jd10013jd10013 Member Posts: 779
    and considering honda will replace or repair any part of the car, free of charge, regardless of milage anyways.......it make even more sense. If they're going to pay the expense anyhow, why deny the advertising.
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    Exactly! Accord and Camry would leave all others in the dust with a warranty program like that. At least until the other automakers respond in some way.

    Ow! I bit my toungue!! :cry:
  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,729
    Honda Accord's and Toyota Camry's don't have to do anything with their warranties because why fix what ain't broke?

    The are already the leading sellers in this midsize market. The Accord's fuel numbers were 24/34 last I checked in the 4 cylinder. What are the Sonata's?

    Are you saying your linked website is infallible? Just because it is written doesn't mean it is so.
    '15 Audi Misano Red Pearl S4, '16 Audi TTS Daytona Gray Pearl, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • elroy5elroy5 Member Posts: 3,735
    If my last Accord would have had a 100k mile warranty, it would have saved me the cost of one temperature control knob. I am halfway to 100k miles on my present Accord, and don't think a 100k mile warranty would do any more for me than the last one would have. The warranty on my Accord has little meaning to me.
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    Good thing the warranty has little meaning to you, because the bumper-to-bumper warranty expired some 14,000 miles ago and you have only about 10k miles left on the powertrain warranty.

    A warranty is an insurance policy. It's appreciated in two ways: 1) peace of mind it provides, and 2) when something breaks. I would have loved to have had a longer warranty when the A/C condenser went out on my Civic shortly after the warranty expired--cost me $900 to fix. A friend of mine just replaced the failed tranny in his Odyssey at about 95k miles. Fortunately, he had invested in an extended warranty up to 100k miles, so he didn't have to pay nearly $3000 out of pocket. You can bet HE appreciated the extra warranty coverage.

    The fact is, both Honda and Toyota know their cars break, so extending the warranties on the Accord and Camry would cost them big bucks. So they don't do it.
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