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Voice recognition. Both have it and it is the most used feature of OnStar I'd wager. How often do you have to call for an emergency and how often do you talk on the phone or change the radio station/volume? The similarities are there.
Have you sat in a new Acura SUV yet? Tiny buttons everywere and they are all the same shape, size, and color. All of them are for the overabundance of gadgets everyone desires.
I'm with you though. My Mustang is all about the drive and I am very seldom distracted by any gadgets. It doesn't even have steering wheel mounted audio controls. Albeit because of the retro design.
Not everyone. The only reason I would think about buying an Acura TL is either for the performance or the looks. The performance is not that much better than an Accord V6, and I'm not all that concerned with looks. For these reasons I don't have an Acura, and don't plan on buying one. It's just extra money for things I don't want. The gadget junkies can buy the TSX or TL. Leave the Accord simple, I say.
OH I agree! I think its ok to update the accord with some new gadgets that the camry and altima have like Keyless go on the EX models. The big red button from the s2000 is a start but maybe something more contemporary would work well here.
IMO, the TSX should be refreshed and do a 6 year cycle. Bring it out about the same time as the next A4. The current A4 is a refresh. The TL... RWD. I finally made up my mind! RWD!! Yeah, not going to happen... I say make another acura model. Let the TL be a GS competitor but being a tad more sporty than luxurious like the GS and the new model [Lets say XL] to be like the ES. The RL just needs to retire or go on hiatus.
With all this money honda and Acura are making with all this sales gains, they should really put some into a 4th platform and V8 engine. Seriously, other than being lost in RL, where is this money going? I rarely see honda commercials! The only1 i know features MR. Opportunity and thats 1 a year.
IMO, its time for acura to do like their slogan... ADVANCE!!
-Cj
Loren
As for the sales, 06 was probably off from 05, but wasn't terrible. the altima has always been a top 5 car since the redesign back in 02 that brought it into the midsize family.
The 07 redesign finnaly made it capable of competing with the accord and camry. Before 07, it lacked the interior, and build quality to stand toe to toe.
LOL. I fully understand urnews. I've had the same issue with past car purchases. I figured that was part of it, but didn't want to put words in your mouth. What can you do, gotta keep the wife happy.
It is unbelievely smooth and efficient. I'm averaging 24 mpg all city w/ only 600 miles so far and the I4 matched with CVT is powerful and butter smooth.
The start button is a cool feature, but 5 weeks into my ownership. The novelty has worn off a bit. That said, as simple as taking your keys out of your pocket and turning the ignition. It's been nice not messing with the keys. But I do worry at times about what would happen if the Intellikey decides to de program itself and I can't start the car since there is no slot for the physical key.
Nissan decided to provide a slot for the Intellikey if the battery dies in the FOB. There is an actual key inside the FOB you slide out to use to unlock the doors and then slide the FOB into the slot and start the car. However, if the Intellikey just stopped working, you're SOL until your wife/hubby can swing by with the spare. You'd think the engineers would have provided a way to use the key to start the car if needed. I think this will keep many people away from a great car otherwise.
I don't think this is the case, I think people tend to like it better because of the smoothness and the ability to always stay in its powerband or efficiency band. Of all the CVTs, I think Nissan has the best implementation. I am not in the market as I prefer a manual transmission, but when I test drove the Altima they only had a CVT.
The push to start / stop, I guess is OK. So what does the key or whatever it is called now that it is StarTrek transmitter age device, cost if it should break or become lost? I miss the days of the .97 keys
I think the value goes up the first time you run up to the car in the pouring rain with your arms full and don't have to fumble for your keys to load it or drive away. I'm pretty frugal but that was one of the features I really liked about the MIL's Prius.
thats pretty unlikely. Fobs arn't new, they've been around in luxury cars for awhile now. you just have to be a little carefull with it. keep it away from magnets, microwaves, water.......the standard list for most things electronic. and of course, untill the new fobs are issued, your cell phone. :P
With the Accord he told me I had to bring all the existing keys in addition to what ever new ones I was adding as they all had to get programmed at once, but they they would all work.
Here's what I found (according to Honda and Mazda official websites):
Headroom (in., front / rear): Accord (EX w/sunroof) - 38.3 / 36.8. Mazda6 5dr(w/sunroof) - 38.0 / 36.7.
Legroom (in., front / rear): Accord - 42.6 / 36.8. Mazda6 5dr - 42.3 / 36.5.
Hiproom (in., front / rear): Accord - 54.6 / 53.5. Mazda6 5dr - 54.7 / 54.1.
Shoulder Room (in., front / rear): Accord - 56.9 / 56.1. Mazda6 5dr - 56.1 / 54.9
Cargo Volume (cu. ft.): Accord - 14.0. Mazda6 5dr - 22.1 (58.7 with rear seats folded down).
The strange thing is, I never hear that the Accord is cramped or small, but I hear that alot when the 6 is described.... perhaps people are using overall interior space to come up with their conclusions, but if that volume includes area where people don't reside or use (like under the windshield above the dash), who cares? I guess this confirms what I was thinking before, the Mazda6 has enough room for most people to be comfortable and is competitive for this class.
How about apples to apples? I'd avoid a hatchback because of the lessened structural rigidity (more rattles) since I will keep a car a long time.
Not from what I understand. If the "key" does have a malfunction, the car can sense it, and flashes a warning on the trip computer. This allows you to still run the car with the fob in the slot to the left of the steering wheel. This is from what I understand from the owners manual.
So unexciting. I can see you in the dealership waiting 5 months for your custom built driving appliance. I started to buy the stripped model (Mazda 3i) but drove in a loaded S with every option when all was said and done. What did it? Electroluminescent (sp?) gauges and two-tone seats. And the Ford Sync is a $395 option. pay it and have fun.
It doesn't change much, here is sedan to sedan comparison:
Headroom (in., front / rear): Accord (EX w/sunroof) - 38.3 / 36.8.
Mazda6 Sedan(w/sunroof) - 38.0 / 37.1.
Legroom (in., front / rear): Accord - 42.6 / 36.8. Mazda6 Sedan - 42.3 / 36.5.
Hiproom (in., front / rear): Accord - 54.6 / 53.5. Mazda6 Sedan - 54.7 / 54.1.
Shoulder Room (in., front / rear): Accord - 56.9 / 56.1. Mazda6 Sedan - 55.9 / 55.2
Cargo Volume (cu. ft.): Accord - 14.0. Mazda6 Sedan - 15.2
Also if you compare independent measurements by CR, there is not much difference either.
Yep and that's me. If I'm dumping $20K - $45K large on something, I want what I want and want how I want it.
I'm the same way. If i went to buy a car and had a choice between all theoptions i'd want on a silver car or most the options i want on the color I'd want, I'd rather give the dealer my information (and risk millons of calls) and order the car precisely how i'd want it.
I hate silver cars. I like green(VW, BMW, Acura, honda green. Not SAAB green or lime/neon green) or browns.
For some reason, when i build a car on the manufacturers website, I never see it at dealers. BUT! Other people seem to be driving it around!
-Cj
Actually, she had her heart set on a new Mustang, but that was just too impractical for our present circumstances. We traded in a 2000 Mazda Miata MX-5 convertible with only 7,500 miles on it.
The problem with gadgets, bell and whistles, is when they cease to function properly and have to be fixed. It's often very expensive to fix a gadget.
The Fusion, after eight months and 4,200 miles, has been perfect in that regard but who knows what the future will bring?
Our lone complaint is poor gas mileage, but even our 2000 Ford Focus station wagon with a 2.0-liter I4 and automatic transmission only gets 18-20 mpg driving the same route so I guess the Fusion's 14.8 mpg isn't all that bad considering it is a 3,300-pound mid-size sedan with a V6 and AWD.
Still, I think FoMoCo would be better served if it devoted more resources toward better fuel economy rather than gadgets like Sync
525 miles a month? I hope you have no issues.
Try 525+ miles a week in your car and see where you stand down the road. Not picking on you, but my Ford experiences say high miles and Ford don't mix.
http://www.worldcarfans.com/6070730.001/new-mazda6-latest-artists-renderings
2 Escorts, a Contour and a Focus have done fine. Maybe you just got BadEggs.
LOL, my Ford experiences say LOW miles and Ford don't mix.
(Former 2004 Explorer, and to some degree our present 2004 Mustang).
The Accord feels more "airy" and roomy to me, but its something intangible that I can't really back up, so I won't try to.
So you use the actual key to unlock the door. Slide the FOB into the slot near the steering wheel and the FOB will start the car even though the Intellikey craps out.
Interesting, guess it's time to crack open the owner's manual.
I hope I never have the opportunity to find out.
I don't think it was optimized for people; it is fantastic for child restraints. Each position does an excellent job of holding a child/infant seat using the LATCH system. The bench is flat and does a great job of holding the infant seat in the correct position and it's very easy to get the seat in there good and tight.
I find the backseat of the Subaru more comfortable for people (2 medium sized adults is the limit, but my family runs small), but because of the seat belt arrangement it is difficult to use a rearward facing infant seat in the center position. Because of the door shape, it is more difficult to load the babyseat into the cradle with the Subie than the Accord.
Mostly because I have one, and that was the car type I was looking at on Mazda's website before I began comparing the Accord to the 6. Doesn't really matter anyway... the sedan and hatchback have similar dimensions except for the storage capacity.
I'd avoid a hatchback because of the lessened structural rigidity (more rattles) since I will keep a car a long time.
My Honda Accord hatchback held up pretty well as did my Legacy wagon, so I headed into the Mazda6 hatchback with a fair amount of confidence that they would be pretty solid. Having that much more useable space with these two body types in my previous cars made this a pretty important feature that I wanted to have. I just am annoyed that sedans don't use their space as effectively as hatchbacks or wagons. And if you don't want a car that has less structural rigidity, the mazda6 feels more solid than the accord even in hatchback form... although the accord has a very solid feel, the mazda felt like it handles the twisties with a bit more composure.
Given the last 2 Civics and the Accord in my life, if I was that afraid of rattles I would've avoided Honda altogether.
I haven't had an issue with rattles in the Subie wagon, or the Sienna. The new Accord is so softly sprung I don't expect it to rattle ever (although we might have to do something about that spring rate
In fact, my 06 Accord is firmer than my '96 or my grandmother's '02.
The only two Hondas we've ever had (out of the last 8 I remember) that rattled at all were my dad's 2003 Accord and our 2000 Odyssey.
My 1996 is still relatively tight and rattle free after 174,000 miles. My grandmother's is as well, and she has 89,000 miles on her car.
Size and comfort are kind of separate issues though. The size seems fine, the fact that is so flat makes it less comfortable for people but great for child seats.
I can think of more comfortable cars, if not in the same class. I think the G35 sedan rear seats (and the FX35 seats) are the most comfortable ones my butt has has the privilege to grace.
In fact, my 06 Accord is firmer than my '96 or my grandmother's '02.
The only two Hondas we've ever had (out of the last 8 I remember) that rattled at all were my dad's 2003 Accord and our 2000 Odyssey.
My 1996 is still relatively tight and rattle free after 174,000 miles. My grandmother's is as well, and she has 89,000 miles on her car.
The '93 & 95 Civics and the '93 Accord all are virtual symphonies on the highway, especially when the weather turns cool. The speedometers squeaked, the dash rattles, the back window creaks on the Civics, the front window squeaks on the Accord. Clunks don't count, that just means something is broken, these are squeaks and rattles. Whats even weirder is that these cars spent most of their lives in CA, where the roads are relatively smooth, at least compared to MI.
I can't think of the last time I had to transport someone over about 5'10", and he had plenty of legroom, if not hip-room as compromised by the infant seat. I guess for our heights, I find the back seat very comfortable, although like I said, not as much as the G35.
Regards:
OldCEM
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Well, since EPA says Accord has 103 cubic feet of passenger volume vs. 96 for Mazda6, there must be a little extra space here and there in the accord. So what you say makes sense. I think the way some talk about the Mazda6 being "cramped" overstates the differences, however.
That and they redeemed themselves with the Grand Voyager that ran great and lasted a long long time.
Honestly, everyone is nit-picking details, its very hard to make a bad choice in this segment in aggregate, although some choices are better for some people than others.
That's how I understand it.
I hope I never have the opportunity to find out.
You and me both!