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2013 and Earlier - Buick Enclave Prices Paid and Buying Experience

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  • rockfish1rockfish1 Posts: 113
    There is a difference between drugs and the Enclave. The Canadian government subsidizes the drugs. For the Enclave the Canadian government rakes in more in taxes.

    I still would like to know if it is GM or the dealer that benefits from the inflated price.
  • selooseloo Posts: 606
    Guys please stop, you are killing us!

    Thanks
  • If you had read my post you'd note that I stated the issues are SIMILAR not the same.
  • bcbudbcbud Posts: 6
    Toyota, Lexus, Acura near the border are the hard dealers to buy new from. I'm also interested in the enclave and would imagine if you call around you will not have a problem finding a dealer willing to sell to you. You can try Carsdirect.com, fleetbargains.com and fitzmall.com as well. Please indicate how your expereince goes because Enclaves are much less expensive in US. You also find aloot of help on this subject on this forum: http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=307601

    I would waite another year as the US economy is TERRIBLE, we will find tremedous car ( & land) prices.
  • easym1easym1 Posts: 218
    Thank you bcbud, It might be better for me to wait till next summer to see possible good deals due to slowdown in US sales. There is also an ongoing 2 Billion court case in Canada againts automakers regarding the way they conduct business. I hope that it will affect the prices here and we may not have to pay extra to an auto broker.

    Thanks to all the great information on this site and I appreciate the pros and cons input from everyone.
  • I ordered my Enclave on September 15, the deal was $500 over invoice. Most of the dealers within a 500 mile radius weren't negotiating at all and were staying at the MSRP. My dealer indicated that he hadn't received his 2nd allotment, should I have asked him to put in my order as his 2nd allotment? For those of you who have ordered in late July and August, have you received your vehicle yet?
  • kcoreykcorey Posts: 130
    My son ordered his on the same day I picked mine up, and from the same dealer...this was on September 18th. I spoke with the dealer several days ago and he informed me that he had ordered 10 Enclaves the week after I picked up mine. Of the 10 ordered, only one (my sons') had been accepted...the rest are on hold. I told my son to anticipate a 14 to 16 week wait when he ordered, so he's not upset. As long as he gets it by the end of February he'll be OK. It seems that the dealers are being allocated a certain number, but no one seems to know how GM is arriving at that number. Here in New York City, very few (I don't know of any) dealers have any. My dealer sold his last one to someone from Virginia who just happened to be going by the dealership and saw it and it was just what they wanted. Yes, at MSRP.
  • bobelewbobelew Posts: 17
    I ordered my Enclave on July 29. I am still waiting for mine to show up. I have been informed that the main reason for the delay in my enclave is that I have ordered the Luxury Pkg. This gives you the articulating headlights and the power tilt. There is a constraint on that particular option. My dealer checked with the regional rep to find this out. Had I ordered the car without this option I would have had it by the middle of September. I am still holding out because I want the package, at least the articulating headlights! It appears as though the seven passenger seating is now possibly another delay.
    Here is a website that you can look up and find out what is delaying the production of most cars. www.donlen.com/production_cars_gm.asp
    Hope this helps.
  • medema7medema7 Posts: 18
    Would you mind sharing the actual pricing numbers, model and features of your purchase?
    Did your $500 over invoice price include the conquest rebate? I hope you can understand that $500 over invoice can be such a relative value. Thanks

    P.S I had one dealer offer invoice with the conquest rebate, however, the dealer wouldn't guarantee the conquest rebate. What kind of offer was that???
  • selooseloo Posts: 606
    There is no doubt that the Enclave is a nice car.

    Financial experts state that paying full MSRP (plus all the other extra fees) on a rapidly depreciating item is a very poor personal financial decision.

    I am not critising anyone, but it is hard to believe that well-informed consumers will stand in line to gladly overpay for a car. Especially, when they know that once supply and demand issues are resolved, you will be able to purchase these cars for under the invoice price.

    So what is the motivation?
  • JBaumgartJBaumgart Posts: 890
    Part of the motivation is that when a very desirable new model comes out, and it meets with more demand vs. supply, some people will gladly pay full MSRP just to have it. They make a decision that for them this model is more attractive and offers more value than competing models, even those that are being heavily discounted. Other buyers choose to wait until prices (hopefully) come down. This is how the marketplace settles the demand vs. supply equation, with real-world transaction prices. How quickly prices come down depends on to what extent the manufacturer is able (or chooses) to boost supply. Some car makers run into problems with suppliers, technical issues, etc. that prevent them from boosting supply as quickly as they would like. Others have a tradition of purposely limiting supply so they don't flood the marketplace, in order to keep prices up. And to some extent this isn't entirely within their control, as other competing models are introduced and become the next "hot car". Right now the Enclave is clearly a hot car, and it's unclear what Buick intends to do as far as meeting the demand, including those who are holding out for better pricing. If Buick ends up flooding the market, and discounts become widely available and you end up seeing one around every corner, the Enclave could lose some its luxury appeal. I would guess Buick will take the middle road, trying to sell as many as they can while still limiting supplies somewhat so prices hold pretty firm and those buying now don't experience rapid depreciation as soon as they drive it off the dealer's lot.
  • You are overpaying for any car you buy since almost all of them depreciate. Maybe you should do what a high school teacher of mine did. He would proudly buy a 6-7 year old car cheaply and drive it into the ground. He still lost money, just a lot less. Seriously, though, if you like something and can afford it you buy. I was able to get mine under invoice, and the conquest cash, and my GM card earnings along with a $250 earnings bonus for taking a test drive. This car is the best vehicle I have ever owned. My 03 Bravada stickered for 38M I bought it late 03 for 26M. This car obviously cost a lot more but it's worth it.
  • HERE ARE MY SPECS ON MY ORDER:
    AWD CXL $33,898.43
    TINT COAT PAINT 327.85 (RED JEWEL)
    ENT PKG #4 3,585.60
    TRAILERING PKG 352.75
    DRIVER CONF PKG 431.60
    CARGO NET 37.35
    CARGO SHADE 37.35
    ENGINE BLOCK HEATER 62.25
    DIALOGUE 20.00
    DELIVERY 735.00
    ADVERTISING 322.54
    LUXURY PKG 767.75
    TOTAL $40,578.47 + $500.00
    (BASICALLY, EVERYTHING BUT THE SUNROOF/MOONROOF and wheels)
    My dealer said he would give me any available rebates when the Enclave came in. We need to have at least a VIN Number by 12/31 so our business can depreciate it out in 2007. It qualifies for the accelerated depreciation because of its GVW.
  • I agreed to pay $1,000 over invoice in late July for an ordered Enclave. Invoice at the time for the Enclave as spec'd was 39,435 + 735 destination which was consistent with Edmunds, Consumer Reports, etc. The Enclave just came in with additional invoice charges of $428 * 2 for Dealer and Group LAM Contributions.

    Is this actually part of "invoice"? We had agreed that to the extent invoice changed (up or down) I'd pay actual delivery invoice + 1000. However, there were no LAM amounts or even line items specified at order date.

    Also, they tell me the Conquest rebate is good for $500.

    Thanks
  • medema7medema7 Posts: 18
    The Conquest rebate should be for $1000.00 unless GM changed the amount. The crazy concept behind the rebate is that they (GM dealer) will only allow whatever rebate is in place at the time of your delivery. In other words if GM decided to pull the rebate one week before you took delivery and didn't offer any rebate, you would receive nothing.
  • kcoreykcorey Posts: 130
    What's even crazier is that GM offers a "Conquest Rebate" to non GM owners, but nothing to loyal GM owners...that really stinks!!
  • JBaumgartJBaumgart Posts: 890
    I agree, this makes no sense. It sort of reminds me of Comcast (and other companies) giving special deals for new customers only, just to get them in the door, while their loyal customers pay the full price.
  • mmbossmmboss Posts: 2
    The dealership called yesterday to tell us that the center console for the second row will not be available until January. When we ordered the car in late Septmeber, they said it was going to be available then. Anyone else hearing this?

    Then, the man at the dealership offered to cancel our order for us, if we wanted to wait until January to reorder. Why would a dealer want us to cancel? The center console is not a priority for us, so we are going to go ahead with the order.

    The dealer told us 8 - 10 weeks from when the order went in- October 1st. Based on the information here, I'm sure it will be much longer!
  • beach15beach15 Posts: 1,305
    Correct. It was delayed in re-development, and they then said late September/early October that it would be available. But, that changed again, and now it is on indefinite hold.

    If some of you get familiar with "other" specific Buick Enclave forums on the web, here was what was posted by a member, direct from the GM Hot Sheet to dealers on October 12, 2007:

    DK1 (2nd Row Center Console)...Although we had announced that the DK1 center console would be available for production at the end of this month, there are now Engineering issues that prevent us from building the DK1 center console. We now expect to keep this console on 0% constraint until likely after the first of the year. Although the option will still be in Order Workbench and Autobook, please refrain from ordering this option at this time due to long lead time.


    So, it just isn't available yet, despite what was said earlier.
  • jacobmjacobm Posts: 15
    I am trying to figure if is worth it for me to buy this vehicle rather than lease.
    Can anyone offer an educated guess based on their prior experience what I can expect this car to be able to fetch in 4 years?
    FYI - looking at a CXL fwd 7 passenger with sunroof and navigation.
    Thanks.
  • easym1easym1 Posts: 218
    If you are planning to get the most of your car, buy it and drive it to the ground..but if you plan to have a new car every 3 to 4 years, you might as well lease it. If you are self employed, leasing could also have some tax benefits.
  • jacobmjacobm Posts: 15
    Leasing quotes for 36 months with 0 down was $700 a month = $25,200. Sounds like a pretty awful deal to me.
  • dengjdengj Posts: 1
    Hi folks,

    I got an quote from an dealer in IL for the Enclave on their lot. I like this model & color, and trying to determine if this is a good deal:

    CX AWD
    Red Jewel tint paint
    Driver confindence package

    MSRP $35,705.00
    Invoice: $34,035.00 (though Edminds Invoice price $33,710)
    Dealer Price: 33,700
    Less conquest dollars $500 (not sure if this is true, but the dealer said GM reduced conquest dollars to $500 just 2 wks ago)

    Final price: 33,200 + TTL

    Is this a good deal?
  • easym1easym1 Posts: 218
    Hello jacobm, either way you go, you will lose unless you keep your car for as long as you can. One thing we're not sure is the depreceation. If you buy it and sell it after 3 years, will you be ahead? How much did it cost you including interest in 3 years to purchase the car, and how much will you able to sell this car 3 years later. If the car got a good resale value, you're ahead but if the car depreciates big time, you're behind. There's just a lot of factors involved.

    Or you can ask yourself, how much can I pay every month without breaking my wallet?...then, decide on that budget.

    Good luck to you my friend whichever way you decide.
  • selooseloo Posts: 606
    There is a good article in today's WSJ concerning production limits for the Enclave. Since GM has rid themselves of future health care cost, they are going to try to control inventory like other car makers do and keep demand high. It may be a somewhat risky plan, considering the new Chevrolet model of this car is coming our next year. The article also said that the Outlook lags when compared to the other models. Interesting.
  • vinnynyvinnyny Posts: 770
    It's easy to figure out why the Outlook lags behind the others: $$$$. While the Outlook starts with a lower base price, a fully-loaded Outlook has an MSRP equal to an Acadia. With Saturn's "no dicker" policy, their Outlook ends up costing more than a comparably-equipped Acadia when discounts and incentives are factored in.
  • nunzinunzi Posts: 50
    I am going to the dealer this weekend to order an Enclave because there are so few out there... I have the same experience as your wife saw the Acadia but fell in love with Enclave... A dealer near me who did have one wanted to charge me $467- advg fee!!! I balked and walked away even tough I was going to go through the Costco program.. He never called because there are so few out there that these dealers have you by the ****'s..Frustrated!!! I am now going to drive to the Bronx and deal with an old friend who is a car dealer...And I live 150 miles away... Do what you gotta do....Mille ;)
  • nunzinunzi Posts: 50
    I feel sooo guilty for wanting this car.. I am due to order it over the weekend but am going to deal with an old friend who I know very well will try to work with me. It's human nature.. We want what is hard to get...mille :(
  • kcoreykcorey Posts: 130
    I have written about this before, but for the sake of new readers, here goes.
    I had been leasing a 2005 Terraza, whose lease was up in January 2008. I knew I would exceed the mileage (36,000) so I had to get moving...this was in June.
    I had looked at the Enclave in Orlando, Florida, in April, and THIS was THE car!!
    I ordered mine on June, 18th from a dealer (Cunningham Motors) in Bayside, Queens, NY. They couldn't have been friendlier. I knew then that it would take about 12 to 14 weeks...but I had plenty of time. The dealer gave me credit for 2 payments, GM would give me credit for 2 months (Early Give Back Program), and my son who lives at the same address has a Mercury, so I got another $1,000 off for "Conquest". Not bad, considering.
    Well, our Enclave arrived about September 15th, and we picked it up on September 21st. I think most new cars are probably great, but this one is sensational. We loved our Terraza, but this one has it beat, hands down!.
    Oh yes, we tried to go through Costco, but, at that time, they didn't list the Enclave, only the other Buicks, and the dealer was not willing to offer any discounts or incentives. I think I did just as well anyway, and have a good dealer besides.
  • nunzinunzi Posts: 50
    Queens!!! L.I. here (North Fork) neighbor to the hamptons and I will have to go to the city to order mine.. you got a great deal.. I do not think I will be so lucky. My 02 Navigator is depreciating and by the time this Enclave comes in I will not get much.. That's why GM should off ;) er more incentives to those who wish to order and wait...Millie
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