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08 Enclave $100 below invoice price.
Keep posting your good deals.
$40,465 before tax, rebate and License fee. Options include dual sunroof, Lux. Pkg., white diamond tricoat, confidence
pack. Ent. pack #4 and 8 pass. seating on a CXL AWD model. The dealer came up with $41,855 which is a difference of $1390 more than my invoice figure of $40,465. (includes $95.00 service fee by the dealer and $400 over invoice.)
The dealer said the difference may be advertising but he was not sure? I find it irritating that they cannot pinpoint the $1390 difference, however, I will not pay $1800
over invoice.
To the dealer's credit, he said he would honor the conquest rebate regardless if GM was offering it or not at delivery. Personally speaking GM should honor rebates for it's customers whether or not they are waiting 8 to 10 weeks for delivery but unfortunately most dealers will not do it. This GM policy on rebates may come back to haunt them . What about the loyal GM buyers over the past several years who don't qualify for the Conquest? I guess they are out a $1000.00
Now to make matters worse GM is on a nationwide strike.
I feel sorry for all of the buyers who will now have to wait
much longer for their Enclaves to be built. GM may be building a great crossover in the Enclave but how much longer will customers have to put up with all of the crazy GM antics in order to get one?????
at Buick) cannot pinpoint what exactly the $1390 represents.
"It may be this or that" is not the type of salesmanship a customer can be too happy about.
I will be searching for other dealers and will search the Madison & Milwaukee WI areas next. ( I live in N.E. Wisconsin)
I wonder if Edmund's site can help us Canadians in this regard.
Buy the way, I found out at NAATA that many car companies were charged and penalized in millions for doing the same thing in Europe on cross-border purchases. Toyota is the only one that settled the case.
Did you try just one dealer, or several? It might be worth checking out. I would be interested in hearing what you find out, or if anyone else is expieriencing the same thing.
As for enforcing anti trust laws, remember the government gets taxes on a percent of the total price. When the selling price is higher the politicians have more to spend.
By the way, I tried many dealers in the Niagara area ( I prefer dealers closer to our border )and basically, everyone gave me the same answer. You can try any dealer in your area and pretend that you are Canadian and you will likely have similar response. I have also asked my wife's cousin in Florida ( just for curiousity ) to check around and he got the same answer when he said that he is a Canadian. Whatever happened to NAFTA?
This is the worse of its kind and the automakers are doing an 'in your face' price fixing blatantly with no fear of reprisal from both our governments. How the heck can we trust our leaders? Have they sold out to the automakers?
I'm not only expressing myself but the sentiments of many Canadians with regards to the arrogance of the carmakers. And your response is basically 'go to hell'. It's too bad that you and the automakers don't get it yet.
Check NAATA and you'll see the antitrust case againts the automakers were they were fined by European court in millions for doing exactly the same thing. If you tell the Europeans what you just told me, I can only imagine what the response would be.
Thanks, to Edmunds.com and the internet, we can compare prices here and the US and the more we know, the more we realized that we are literary TAKEN FOR A RIDE by the automakers!
People tend to be smart when it comes to their money and making money. It seems like a cottage business must have been created to have a US customer buy a buick in the US then sell it in a private sale to the Canadian.
"With the Canadian dollar so high these days against the U.S. dollar, many vehicles are priced lower in the United States than Canada. Traditionally, vehicle prices have been higher in the United States."
As for the fines imposed by the European Commission, bear in mind that these are specific to the laws they have in the EU to encourage competition across their borders. I'm sure if there were similar laws in effect between the U.S. and Canada, there would be plenty of lawyers filing class action suits over here.
This is my last post on this subject, as we are seriously off topic. Good luck in finding the best deal that you can.
I still would like to know if it is GM or the dealer that benefits from the inflated price.
Thanks
I would waite another year as the US economy is TERRIBLE, we will find tremedous car ( & land) prices.
Thanks to all the great information on this site and I appreciate the pros and cons input from everyone.
Here is a website that you can look up and find out what is delaying the production of most cars. www.donlen.com/production_cars_gm.asp
Hope this helps.
Did your $500 over invoice price include the conquest rebate? I hope you can understand that $500 over invoice can be such a relative value. Thanks
P.S I had one dealer offer invoice with the conquest rebate, however, the dealer wouldn't guarantee the conquest rebate. What kind of offer was that???
Financial experts state that paying full MSRP (plus all the other extra fees) on a rapidly depreciating item is a very poor personal financial decision.
I am not critising anyone, but it is hard to believe that well-informed consumers will stand in line to gladly overpay for a car. Especially, when they know that once supply and demand issues are resolved, you will be able to purchase these cars for under the invoice price.
So what is the motivation?
AWD CXL $33,898.43
TINT COAT PAINT 327.85 (RED JEWEL)
ENT PKG #4 3,585.60
TRAILERING PKG 352.75
DRIVER CONF PKG 431.60
CARGO NET 37.35
CARGO SHADE 37.35
ENGINE BLOCK HEATER 62.25
DIALOGUE 20.00
DELIVERY 735.00
ADVERTISING 322.54
LUXURY PKG 767.75
TOTAL $40,578.47 + $500.00
(BASICALLY, EVERYTHING BUT THE SUNROOF/MOONROOF and wheels)
My dealer said he would give me any available rebates when the Enclave came in. We need to have at least a VIN Number by 12/31 so our business can depreciate it out in 2007. It qualifies for the accelerated depreciation because of its GVW.
Is this actually part of "invoice"? We had agreed that to the extent invoice changed (up or down) I'd pay actual delivery invoice + 1000. However, there were no LAM amounts or even line items specified at order date.
Also, they tell me the Conquest rebate is good for $500.
Thanks
Then, the man at the dealership offered to cancel our order for us, if we wanted to wait until January to reorder. Why would a dealer want us to cancel? The center console is not a priority for us, so we are going to go ahead with the order.
The dealer told us 8 - 10 weeks from when the order went in- October 1st. Based on the information here, I'm sure it will be much longer!
If some of you get familiar with "other" specific Buick Enclave forums on the web, here was what was posted by a member, direct from the GM Hot Sheet to dealers on October 12, 2007:
DK1 (2nd Row Center Console)...Although we had announced that the DK1 center console would be available for production at the end of this month, there are now Engineering issues that prevent us from building the DK1 center console. We now expect to keep this console on 0% constraint until likely after the first of the year. Although the option will still be in Order Workbench and Autobook, please refrain from ordering this option at this time due to long lead time.
So, it just isn't available yet, despite what was said earlier.
Can anyone offer an educated guess based on their prior experience what I can expect this car to be able to fetch in 4 years?
FYI - looking at a CXL fwd 7 passenger with sunroof and navigation.
Thanks.
I got an quote from an dealer in IL for the Enclave on their lot. I like this model & color, and trying to determine if this is a good deal:
CX AWD
Red Jewel tint paint
Driver confindence package
MSRP $35,705.00
Invoice: $34,035.00 (though Edminds Invoice price $33,710)
Dealer Price: 33,700
Less conquest dollars $500 (not sure if this is true, but the dealer said GM reduced conquest dollars to $500 just 2 wks ago)
Final price: 33,200 + TTL
Is this a good deal?
Or you can ask yourself, how much can I pay every month without breaking my wallet?...then, decide on that budget.
Good luck to you my friend whichever way you decide.
I had been leasing a 2005 Terraza, whose lease was up in January 2008. I knew I would exceed the mileage (36,000) so I had to get moving...this was in June.
I had looked at the Enclave in Orlando, Florida, in April, and THIS was THE car!!
I ordered mine on June, 18th from a dealer (Cunningham Motors) in Bayside, Queens, NY. They couldn't have been friendlier. I knew then that it would take about 12 to 14 weeks...but I had plenty of time. The dealer gave me credit for 2 payments, GM would give me credit for 2 months (Early Give Back Program), and my son who lives at the same address has a Mercury, so I got another $1,000 off for "Conquest". Not bad, considering.
Well, our Enclave arrived about September 15th, and we picked it up on September 21st. I think most new cars are probably great, but this one is sensational. We loved our Terraza, but this one has it beat, hands down!.
Oh yes, we tried to go through Costco, but, at that time, they didn't list the Enclave, only the other Buicks, and the dealer was not willing to offer any discounts or incentives. I think I did just as well anyway, and have a good dealer besides.