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2008 the year of the factory performance sedans
I know like many people out there I can't wait for next year's showdown between the Audi RS anything,BMW M3 sedan,Cadillac CTS-V, Mercedes Benz AMG lineup and also the Mitsubishi Evolution X. If anyone has some others they would like to add feel free to. I myself am leaning toward the CTS-V because if they can give the same bargain as a ZO6 in a sedan I'm sold, plus it has a manual trans which I prefer.
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When does it come out??
When does it come out??
The WRX should be out in dealers by November or earlier. The WRX STI will be out sometime later. The WRX is a far cry from the STI. The EVO is a long ways off yet from what I'm reading. Prices are going to be high on the EVO close to about $40K is rumored. That's BMW 335i territory.
I looked up the 2006 EVO IX on the Mitsu website and if you get the high end model it'll run you 36 large!
Yes you can get other versions for much cheaper. The new one no one knows but to get all the fancy stuff on it is going to cost. I still think a BMW is a better bet. The EVO X will have a lot going for it but resale? won't be good because everyone will think you beat the snot out of it. Don't believe me? Go into a forum where they talk about used EVO' and STi's. Number one concern is how do I know it wasn't thrashed.
BMW's don't have that rep, except for the M models.
ut to the other guy, yeah a BMW at $41K will not be loaded but it will have 300HP. The EVO will have less.
I find it tough to justify spending big $$$ on a car when i end up wanting a new one in about 3 years.
Rumors were floating around a bout a future WRX diesel! But I find that tough to believe. subaru pulled the LSD out of the 2008 WRX and put in smaller brakes as well. But uglied up the body and cut out the cargo space and gave it a better interior supposedly.
The new EVO is a great looking car. I might consider the Ralliart version if one comes out by the time I need to actually buy a car.
Also expect dealers to way overcharge on the EVO's when they come out. $50K at the dealership would not surprise me. BMW's you can get a discount and the new BMW 135i just might be as amazing as it sounds. No AWD tho.
Cheapest EVO you could buy in 2006 was $29,149. That's MSRP. Here is the link so you can check for yourself.
http://www.mitsubishicars.com/MMNA/jsp/index.do
blashpemy! who on earth would do such a thing. (must have been hard going from the luxo r32 to the econo evo.) :P
i'd still take a newer r32 over it, i like the image and interior subtle exterior styling better. plus, even in its limited run, its still going to be cheaper with a nicer interior, even though mitsu has raised its standards a little bit.
i know its not the same performance, but to me its better balanced.
When the EVO came out no test drives allowed and I drove the STI but opted for the WRX instead. I had that for a while and then moved out of the US and have been gone since 2003. Now I have driven the BMW 1 series The 120i Sport it's the best they have here and it's the 4 door hatch. The 130i isn't sold here and is grey market. I drove an older EVO IV but it was pretty used and thrashy also a grey market. The Mitsu dealerships where I use to live had huge ADM on the EVO's with NO test drives allowed buy it then drive it. I never buy a car I can't drive and the STi was pretty good but the WRX seemed pretty good to me as was a lot less. I owned a Porsche 968 and nothing was as smooth as that 160 mph no problem and very stable. But anyway you must have been a great car salesman to afford an EVO! Have you driven a 1 series BMW yet?
If you don't live in the US possibly but only BMW guys and Magazines have driven the US model.
Mitsu probably lost a sale but from my experience with Mitsu sales and dealerships they tend to not care about their customers. I know as I've owned Mitsubishi's before as have friends.
So are you going off stats and pics of the BMW or have you actually driven one?
Well I think you just made my point. The EVO is not an icon because it's updated all the time. Sure it's a great car with heritage and an old one is pretty fun to drive. here are a few around here and I'm friends with grey market dealers so I can get an EVO IV, V, VI, VII or possibly an VIII. But they go way up in price as they get newer. Civic Type R's are available as well.
Anything goes here no matter what you want to drive as long as you can get it registered.
Anyway The US has a different outlook. But when anyone goes to buy a car they want it like new even when it's old and used and with stuff like tea EVO as well as many other cars you KNOW they were thrashed. Most people don't hold onto a car for 8 years any more. The electronics get all wonky and things not mechanical start going awry and electrical gremlins and then you trade it. BMW and 8 years you won't get much for it. Maybe the EVO will have some value but it's not going to be a lot either.
The EVO has gotten more and more expensive and yes better. But if it's $40K people will also consider a BMW and for good reason.
BMW people tend to lease all the time because they don't want to own an older car but want to drive a new car every 2-3 years. For me that's wasting money. But I do understand why people do it.
I sold my WRX when I left the US but shipping it here would have been very expensive then customs usually charges at minimum 100% of what they think the vehicle is worth. So Shipping about $5K and then $25K for a customs fee! Nah not worth it. The EVO concept was great the street pics are a bit less inspiring but it looks 10 times better than the WRX/STI!
Now let's see if the dealers gouge on prices and don't allow test drives again.
Seriously is Mitsu still going out of their way to void warranties on their cars if they even think you auto-x'd the car? I heard they would go to events and take pics of the cars and their license plates and then totally void the warranty!
I'm sure you will defend that but also the dealers would claim you raced it even if you hadn't and not fix it. My friend had that happen. It wasn't an EVO tho.
So the warranty is only as good as the dealer and the dealers try to get out of that and it doesn't take much. Basically your word against theirs.
I know it ticked a lot of people off when they did tat and of course Mitsu is so in the Red now they have forgotten what black looks like. Part of that is the way the dealers treat their customers. I have no way of knowing if that's changed. Dealers always protect their own.
Well That was every Mitsu dealer within driving distance of 2 hours and for me the price gouging on top of no test drives sucked! Oh and Honda did the same with the S2000, so they lost a sale also. Sure the Miata wasn't as fast but it was a whole lot less than a maxxed out S200 with every possible dealer addition that would fit in/on the car and a $10,000 ADM sticker. The Miata was great fun tho and no hassle after I bought it.
The Porsche was just too expensive to maintain over time. Great car tho. It was a dream to drive!
I drove a BMW when I was in the US like 5 years ago maybe a 328? Anyway it was great but I went with Subaru anyway.
Sold that before I moved out of the US.
The BMW 1 series hatch is a great car! The US bound coupe is rated at 3400 lbs you know! There was a link on the BMW group with all the specs from the UK brochure. They posted a link so that should help.
The 335i is really nice but I have a hard time justifying the $40K the car will cost over a BMW and being married and thinking about buying a house in the US etc...
So who knows.
But whenever I see a price gouging ADM sticker I just walk out of the dealership and won't buy from them.
Maybe a test drive would convince me but I won't be back in the US until 2008 either Jan or March hard to say.
But the EVO won't be out when I need a car. which I will need within a week of getting back.
Well the dealerships do other things as well but yeah if you do 6k clutch drops you can do real damage but i didn't see that too much. i'd drop the clutch in my Miata at almost 5K tho and no problems but an EVO is different than a RWD car.
Too much BS by the dealer and they lose a customer like VW did me. Ford from my experience is the worst followed by VW then Mitsubishi. Others are hit and miss.
The above 3 I never had a good experience.
So no matter how great the car you need a good dealership. Mitsu has yet to prove they can be good but it's been quite a few years, so maybe things have changed but Mitsu itself has to change as well. They need to revamp their customer service and literally boot out dealers who suck!
The EVO is a car that by name is an icon but the car itself is always changing hence the name EVO. The EVO off 8 years ago is not the same EVO as today.
It's practically a household name and it's got brand recognition. I just don't put it up with other marque's.
Yes great car but when it fetches 10 times it's price for a mint condition used one at auction then ok it's an icon.
I guess it depends on how you define the word. For me I can see what you mean and by that measure I guess the Corvette would be an Icon. But for me only certain Corvettes would be true icons. 1953 etc...
I'm not dissing the EVO at all.
Well hopefully the trend will continue so that decent and good dealerships will do better and bad ones will be out of business.
Hopefully by March I've heard they aren't near production yet.
for that much money, the r32 does give great performance, and it handles amazingly well, and theres no god awful turbo lag.
for that much money, i WANT a nice interior, not some low rent budget car scenery. the new lancer BARELY makes it do-able.
different strokes for different folks.
(but i do agree that you seem like a guy who buys on solely performance, as the evo wont be winning any beauty contests soon! :P )
im actually not buyist towards euro cars either... a nice civic type r would do me good!
the acura tsx does have a nice interior...but even with comptec parts...you still wont be at the r32's performance levels...and you are still missing awd. not to mention the lack of exclusivitiy and extra money FOR those aftermarket mods.
the interior is about on par...but not 'better' in the least. and lets not even get started about the seats.
with regards to adding the comptec parts...i wont really have any money left over will i? seeing as how the tsx is well into the 30k range...and unless you were to go forced induction, there is no way you will get that much performance for so little money.
and yet if you look at the related cars at the top of this thread, you see the bmw m3 and the audi s4, yet most of this discussion has been based around many other vehicles and has hardly touched base (if at all) on those models.
I'd say its pretty open game.
If you get technical, i can talk about the gli or si sedan...because they both fit with this threads description.
again only if you want to get techincal.
Just an a FYI. The New (ugly) Impreza WRX does come in a sedan still in the US and only in the US.
It's still a factory performance sedan but the STI would probably be closer to the intent of this thread but that only comes in a hatchback.
Personally I prefer hatchbacks as they give you more utility than a mere trunk. I know it's very American to want a sedan, but I have no idea why that is. :confuse:
Yes somehow the security of having a trunk with all that sheet metal protecting it from prying eyes. The only drawback is that space in a trunk is very limited and a lot of us want utility.
Of course I've owned a lot of wagons and while they aren't usually very sporty, they are easier to justify buying one.
I still think most econoboxes aren't all that safe. I saw a pic of a truck that had backed right up onto the nose of a Honda Fit.
I really was going towards buying a Honda accord but when they verified that there would be no diesel option for another year and the V6 was dropped in the sedan :sick:
I figured oh damn, now I have to look at other models yet again. My wife is thinking an EVO would be a good buy as it's AWD and goes good in the snow, but the insurance on it with her being a new driver will probably run me at least $4K a year!
Subaru dropped the ball with the WRX so you pay an extra $7K for a turbo and not much else and the engine is the same as the 2.5i from what I've read so no advantage in the WRX anymore. The NEW Suzuki Swift which has been out for like 2 years in the rest of the world is a fun little cr but totally controlled by GM so no chance of the Mini Cooper looking Suzuki coming to the US anytime soon.
That's a car that's fun and could give the Fit a run for it's money and costs less!
Anyway, I need 4 doors and room for 4 adults and that eliminates cars like the Accord Coupe.
Now a Honda Accord Wagon with a diesel, that I could see myself buying but BMW will take the lead over Honda as they make great diesels and are not afraid to sell wagons.
It's been a long time since I've seen any hatchback - even in 80's era cars, except in the absolute cheapskate versions that didn't have a cargo cover that made the cargo as hidden from view and secure as any sedan.
The argument that hatchbacks aren't safe is not a logical one either... Compare apples to apples. Is the WRX sedan any safer than the hatch/wagon?
These are all perceptions self-induced by the industry, because in the quest for high profit-margin only body styles that sell the most are offered at all. Therefore, the U.S. generally never sees high-end versions of hatchback and wagon body styles the rest of the world gets. We usually only get the rental grade econo-boxes or SUVs, etc. with a few bold exceptions, which the U.S. market finds odd and quirky, so they don't sell well except to the folks who prefer something a little different, or a high-end car that has a hatch. And thanks to Mazda for still having the 6 Hatch available with GT trim in 4 or 6 cylinders, too. Not a WRX, but a really great package.