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So on the way to work he noticed it starting to get alittle hot. On the way back is when this whole ordeal had offically STARTED. It got pretty hot but with my dad thinking that the thermostat was just sticking kept driving it...and driving it... and driving it until it went past critical and eventually shut off by itself. This is where he really messed up. He did this TWO more times! I couldn't believe it...but anyway he managed to get home although everytime it would shut off there would be no coolant left and he'd have to refill it.
So I take it in the shop figuring something small was wrong to find out they tell me I need to buy a new engine! They said the radiator was leaking, it probably needed new radiator hoses and either theres a cracked block or blown head gasket and that buying a new engine would be cheaper.
Luckly, I had my friend that was a mechanic and would do it alot cheaper. So first he replaced the radiator. And then bought the gasket kit and replaced all of those. It still overheated. So they replaced the thermostat. STILL overheated. Then even replaced the water pump, STILL overheated. They then even put this radiator sealer stuff in there thinking that there was a small leak somewhere that couldnt be seen. This still didn't help. So I took it somewhere else. A note worth mentioning is that after I put the sealer in and it kept overheating I drove it for a couple weeks just from school and back which is about 10-15 minutes, babying it the whole time. It only got to critical about 3 times over that span and I shut it off as soon as it did unlike my dad who kept driving it still. But so once I took it to another mechanic they said after taking off the radiator hoses that discovered that they were EMPTY. Apparently the people who put in the thermostat never primed it, so that meant there was no water in the block to get hot, meaning the thermostat could never kick in. After doing this it STILL overheated. So then they knocked the engine and after seeing no water shoot out from the above the spark plugs they said that the head gasket was probably fine although my water in my reservior tank had a slight shine to it. OH, also worth mentioning is that in that span that I drove it for a couple weeks I would only use water since it kept losing water everytime I drove it. Like I would drive it for only 5 minutes or so and when I'd check the reservoir tank it'd be dry. So I figured what's the use of wasting gallons and gallons of coolant. Also what I havn't said is that I'd only overheat after driving it for about 10 to 15 minutes and strangely sometimes it'd get to 3/4th's and then drop back down to 1/2 suddenly. This is what made me believe there was a air bubble somewhere. But then the place I went to even bled out the system and STILL overheated. Also what was strange is that when I'd drive it, sometimes the water wouldn't go dry and would maintain it's level.
But after all this, the last people I went to said that from process of elimination and after all that corrode in the beginning that there may be a clog in the block and that I should try flushing the radiator again and if that doesnt work i'll have to buy a new block. BUT then I talked to the first people who fixed it and they said that flushing it wouldn't help it since he had back flushed it with a water hose and that would have removed any clogs and that there must be a crack in the engine block. I disagree since when you use radiator flush its like a acid and should get alot more rust and stuff off then just normal water. Am i correct??
So in conclusion I'm hoping that flushing it might actually help or that maybe the 2nd place I went to didnt bleed the bubble out right since they didnt use the y adaptor procedure like I had seen on here but then someone told me the bubble would have escaped already anyway.
So can you or anyone else that reads this PLEASEEEEE, pleaseeee tell me what could be wrong with my car? Is the only possibility that I have a cracked block?? I've already spent a thousand fixing it and don't wanna have to spend another 1000-1500 on it (( Any advice would be MUCH appreciated. Thanks
Andrew
If you're loosing coolant, then you have a leak somewhere. If you don't have coolant dripping from under your car, then I would guess you must be losing it in the engine.
Also, if the car is overheating, you shouldn't drive it until the computer shuts it down. Turn it off much sooner than that. Also, you should probably change your oil if you let the engine run that hot (very high heat kills your oil). You could use that time to inspect your oil to see if you have any coolant leaking in there.
The water pump was a OEM remanufactured water pump from O'Reily's. Their products always seems to be pretty good so I don't think that could be it. And well the strange thing is, is that i pulled the dipstick out and checked the oil and it looked fine, no milky look to it at all. But what should the oil look like and what would it look like if the high heat messed it up?
And hmmm I was thinking the same about the bleed procedure. I never saw them use the y-adaptor and all that so i'm gonna bring them the procedure on thursday and see it helps. Man I'm trying everything possible to not have to replace that damn block lol I appreciate the help though. You sure about the bubble escaping tho? Cause I've had two or three mechanics said any bubble would of escaped by now, maybe they were saying that based on other model of cars and the intrigue is just especially different so it cant just escape out?
You've turned me pretty optimistic now, I think one of these might do it.
And lets say for some reason the bleeding doesnt work, well i could try the radiator flush but then that would mean after doing that i would have to bleed it again right?
But thanks for all the help, i appreciate it! I'll let you know what happens tomorrow
Also try a new cap for the expansion tank. I read a few people whose overheating problem was due to a bad seal with the cap on the expansion tank.
Good luck. Thanks posting your ordeal. It will definitely help others who are facing the same issue.
I guess I just have a cracked block...but I am gonna try some sealant stuff. Do you have any experience with any of them?
having difficulty separating the engine from the tranny!
http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=940543&highlight=engi- ne+replacement
Has anyone else out there had this happen? I was talking to a buddy of mine and he said that the head may be cracked and that this may be what is causing the problem with the water pressure.
Any advice out there?
My current problem is I'm losing coolant. I read the post Mike put up about the intake, but when I searched those Dorman manifolds they all seem to be for the 3.8 98-99 models. Mike, if you read this, could you post whether this is an issue on the 3.5? I was just out trying to look for any leaks, and noticed a slight wisp of smoke coming from the back side (of course) of the engine, and looking down with a mirror, it appears there is a gasket? back there, under the spark plug cover by about two inches. I really don't want to tear the whole thing out of there...it doesn't appear to be the intake manifold as that is up above and mounts on top. Would a gasket set and setting aside several days be worthwhile at this point? Opinions please...I do love this car and was determined to get it to 300K, but if I am at the point where I just drive it til it quits then so be it. It's served this family well for 8 years. Don't really want to do the stop leak stuff.
Thanks for the great discussion, guys. Especially your input, Mike.
I haven't heard of any leaks in the manifold on this engine. Try searching on this forum: http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=49
http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=285608&highlight=cool- ant+temperature+sensor+location
good luck.
1999 with 3800 V6. I bought this car used about 3 years ago from the original owner, has about 120000 on the clock. Good car, my wife even took it off the highway into a ditch at speed. Except for a ruined wheel and tire we were able to drive away! It needs new brakes and a set of tires...don't want to put the money in if I can't diagnose this coolant proble,
what is with all the tightlipped mechanics.
what is it and how do i fix it?
and took to dealer. Cost was approx $15.
noticed fluid level was OVER full.. may have been water beads on dipstick,and a oily film in th reserve tank..
mabee trans cooler in the radiator??? and can i save it by flusing and refilling trans? and coolant? anyone else encounter similar problems? thanks! :sick:
i have the same problem with my oldsmobile intrigue 2000,
it overheats and i pull over the car for couple of minutes and start all over again.
any solution upto know?
response would be appreciated.
thanks
If you can't check these things yourself, you really need to have a mechanic take a look at the car and figure out what's causing the overheating. As much as you may not want to spend money on a diagnosis, if you continue driving a vehicle that's regularly overheating, you will soon not have an engine and you'll have to replace it, or get a new vehicle altogether - either of which is more expensive than a diagnosis.
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Changed thermostat, no help, still running hot, cooling after bringing engine over 2000 rpm's.
Took it to local mechanic who reversed flushed the heater core by reversing the heater hoses, never had to remove any parts from the engine, no cutting hoses, etc. Don't know how he did this, as I think the heater hoses are two different diameters? He said that using the hot water from the engine would work much better than flushing with a tee using cold garden hose water.
Afer driving over 2000 miles since he did this the temp. needle goes to a little below the half way mark and stays there! Also don't know what happens to the junk that's broken loose by doing it this way, all I know is that it worked !!
Go to Auto Zone and get two heater hose connectors 5/8 x 3/4, two short pieces of heater hose,one 5/8 and one 3/4 diameter, and four hose clamps.
Remove the heater hoses from the top of the engine, you will lose about a pint of coolant, no need to drain the radiator.
Cut the short pieces of hose to fit and attach the hose connectors with the hose clamps.
Connect the hose connectors to the existing hoses, reversing them from the original positions. Add a little coolant to the fill line and your good to go.
Drive the car like this for a thousand miles or so and put the hoses back in their original positions and you should not have any more problems.