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Tried the seat - you do have to get the person out and lift it to slide it over. This renders the feature useless to me since I will likely have a 2nd child in that seat pretty much all the time. 3rd row access is hindered, so you have to creep around it. The MPV trumps Honda here because it is much, much easier to slide over.
Thanks for the tip on the dealer in Ellicott City. We're just casual shoppers right now, but it's good to have that info.
-juice
If you go there, it's like driving to my place, but in Olney, you make right onto Rt.108, and follow it for about 5-7 miles. As soon as you cross Rt. 32, it's on the left.
Bob
Honda is clearly pushing the '02 CRV. This brochure is much larger than an of the other '02 Honda brochures, thus giving it added importance, in terms of marketing.
Bob
Folks on the Odyssey thread told me the Alabama plant may not be cranking them out yet, so hopefully things will get better on the supply side.
We have the luxury of being able to wait, since we have 3 cars. I have heard the 2003 Sienna is supposed to be the next big thing, we'll see.
-juice
nmnazareno - Sorry. Didn't pay for the extended. In fact I don't recommend it. To each his own, but I don't see the need to pay for repair insurance on one of the most reliable vehicles on the market. JM2C
Beauty queen vs. utility, I pick utility in this segment.
-juice
-juice
illinoiscentral (the L got chopped)
-juice
I finally got the CRV brochur, the salesman said cars might be here (Houston) Nov 15 or 16.
Bob
Take a look at the RX300. Personally, I think it's a great looking buggy, but the purists can't stand it. The CR-V isn't that radical, but it shares the same image to a lesser extent.
Could someone measure the size of the lamp hole for me, really appreciate it.
Bob
Added later - Pauly Honda in Libertyville just got their 2002 CR-Vs, going after work, not enough time to take it on the highway
IC
The New 2002 CR-V's have finally arrived! I have a few now and more on the way.
Honda continues to amaze me by creating a that is high in value and quality and LOW in price!
The new CR-V is completely chnaged and the only real way to appreciate it is to come in and see it for yourself.
I know that pricing is also an issue and Honda not only realizes that, but has risen to the occaision. The 2002 starts out at $19,240 for the 2wd dr LX and tops out at $22,740 for the top of the line EX. We have 8 models/configurations to choose from now.
Styling is conservative but nice. My problem is right where conservatism wasn't applied... the front bumper. Otherwise it is a nice looking small ute.
I only got to drive it around the parking lot.
Parking lot? Oh go back and insist they let you take it out for a real spin. Get that thing onto the back roads with a hop over to Saline or maybe a trip over to Bloomfield Hills. At the very very least, roll down Packard and Stadium and over to Ypsi!
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You will get that price "someday", but not right now. A few things need to happen first, such as clear out inventory of 2001's. Second supply needs to catch up with demand, and the economy needs to continue to remain in a state of uncertainty. I would rather pay sticker in a good economy vs. around invoice in a recession, if you know what I mean.
Good luck!
This has not happened with CRV. The most people I see are here at Edmunds, most are current cowners with no immediate plan to buy.
I went to 2 dealers in Houston, neither salesman had any idea when to expect the cars until they asked the manager. Indicates to me I'm the only customer they have.
I plan to split the difference invoice/MSRP when they show up.
Likes:
• Feels much like the Forester on the highway, in terms of power and comfort.
• Much more refined than previous model.
• Loved the hand brake, auto gear shift fine, once you get used to it.
• Adjustable for/aft split rear seat. Although, I would probably keep it in its most rearward position. If you move it forward, you really sacrifice legroom. This would come in handy if you had a large item in the trunk, and needed to move the seat forward because of space.
• Interior is very well thought out.
• Towing is 1500 pounds, with or without trailer brakes.
• Auto up/down driver's window, which goes up and down very fast.
• Huge cargo area.
• Has green cruise control engaged light.
• $22,700 for EX automatic. This includes an average-sized moonroof.
Dislikes:
• Want more power still.
• Roof rack cross bars an option. I don't know rack capacity.
• No heated outside mirrors.
• Fixed intermittent front wiper, no variable speed feature. 1-speed rear wiper.
• Headroom marginal for such a tall vehicle. If it had a large moonroof, like the Forester, it could be problem for rear seat passengers.
• No front ash tray.
• Rear cargo cover is an option, and not standard. It is unique, in that it appears to retract both front and rear. It has a feature that allows for the reclinging split rear seat—which is good.
• Forester still feels a bit sportier in terms of handling.
Verdict:
Until the new Forester arrives, this is IMO, the new king of the hill.
Bob
Interestingly the cars in the lot were parked so that a new CRV 2002 was between a 2001 CRV and a Passport. No kidding, from the back the 2002 looks more like a cousin to the Passport instead of the 2001 CVR!!!
It FEELS like a much bigger car. I found the driver's seat and drivng position MUCH better than last year's model.
The visiblity is decreased. My guess is tricks with mirrors will compensate for that negative.
Now, although not scientific, here's an observation. There were four of us looking at and discussing this new vehicle. Three of the four have owned a CRV. It was an interesting group: a gay man, a married man with young children, a married man with grown children and the token single woman. All of us firmly agreed one thing..the interior beige color is just horrible!!! It just reaks of 70's double knit polyester leisure suits!
For those who can't make that adjustment, the only colors with the charcoal grey interior are black, silver and blue.
I also drove it. It felt GOOD. It handled nicely. It is quieter than the 2001 and its a nice looking rig. I wasn't able to have it long enough (others were waiting) to take it on the super high way; however, it did not hesitate to respond when called upon to peel out of the dealership parking lot.
I also particularly liked the fact that the rear passenger and cargo area windows are tinted.
These cars arrived on the dealers lot yesterday. Three of the four were already sold. In our little group it looks like this.... one was signing a purchase agreement TODAY, one was struggling (they just bought their CRV in August but prefered this one), one wanted it but was going to bend to his wife's wishes and get an Oddessy and the last (myself) has been placed on a "call" list for an LX.
I do not like moon roofs, don't have strong feelings about the looks of a wheel, don't need a high end CD player and have no problem with regular brakes (verses ABS). Since those items are the $2,500 difference between the LX and the EX....I'll wait for an LX. Oh,also standard on the EX is side airbags,which I do want. The salesman said I could add them to the LX for an additional $250.00. That's fine with me.
The sticker price was the same as has been mentioned here. I can't imagine that they will haggle at all. Why should they...interested buyers were lined up waiting to take them for a test drive this morning.
This must be car salesman nirvana.
Ok, I know the big question....what did I sell it for?
MSRP
I have NO idea what invoice is. I am assuming that there is about 1800 between invoice and MSRP.
Jerry
Bummer. But I grabbed the digicam and went down to the lot, anyway. When I got there, they had a Mojave Mist LX sitting out front. As I was oohing and ahhing over it, I talked to a couple who were also checking it out. They asked for my opinion about my 99 and I gave my usual unbiased, "I freakin' love it!!" response. They quietly walked away, wispering about the CR-V fanatic, and talked to the salesguy about the '02 model in front of us... And then they test drove it!! Hey now, wait a minute...
So I checked my hair, looked for Taco Bell stains on my shirt, sucked in my gut, and smiled brightly on my way inside the dealership and to a place I affectionatey refer to as, "the war zone". I talked with a open and, dare I say it, likeable salesperson named John. He was straight forward, up front, and low pressure, so I'll give him some kudos here on the forum.
I told John the truth, "I'm just looking," and he was fine with that. Kewl. When I asked for a test drive, he didn't blink and just asked for my license. This is the same guy who said "no" to me on the telephone. Hmmm... Maybe they'd changed their minds. This was the first day the car was on the lot. Enough about the dealer. On to the CR-V...
Exterior: Not much to say. From the outside, it looks much the same as the pics seen here on the internet. The tail lights do look nicer up close, but overall there were no surprizes for me. It didn't seem any bigger to me.
Up front: Inside, the cabin felt a bit warmer. It had the saddle interior and, although it was still covered in plastic, the materials felt nice. The new seats are larger and more supportive. The dial that lifts and lowers the driver's seat is easier to use and this autmatic model had dual armrests. The armrests seemed to be narrower than the one I have in my 5 speed. The center console/flip table is considerably bigger and operates in the same fashion. The bar that allows you to slide the seat back and forth is longer. This should make it easier for newbies in the car to find it under the front edge of the seat. I had read here that the parking brake would interfere with the passthrough when in the down position. I thought that was a good observation at the time, but, in reality, it's not a big deal. The dual armrests and wider seats make getting from front to back tough though. Many of the controls have been moved (the trunk release is on the door), but there are too many changes to go into detail.
In back: If you're a teenager (or play one on TV), this is where the action happens. It's also improved. There isn't a significant increase in rear legroom, but you do have the option of sliding the seats forward for more cargo space. In the most foward position, there is almost no room for a person's legs. The mechanism to slide the seats is the same as the one up front. The cupholders in the center armrest are fairly deep and look like they'll work well enough. Once again, the seats seem bigger and more supportive.
Cargo space: The cargo area seems only slightly bigger in front to back and side to side measurements, but it is noteably lower to the ground. Tumbling the seats forward for maximum cargo space is easy. Folding the seat back forward is simply and intuitive. The nylon loop on the back side of the seat is easy to pull and the seat bottom pops up to tumble into position. Nice. I did note that the seat tracks are exposed if you slide the seats forward for a little extra space. This would be a problem for me as I need a flat space for my dogs to lay down on. I'd have to pad the exposed tracks. The new door is good.
Driving: Climbing in, I noticed that there's no dead pedal in this car. Do only the 5 speeds get one? I want one. The pedals are well placed and leg room hasn't changed significantly (the specs say it is shorter, but I'm over 6' and couldn't tell). The wheel is a little less bus-driver-like, but still has a similar feel. What the heck is that noise? The door-is-ajar tone is rather loud. The key slot has been moved from the dash to the column. I prefer the dash. The detents in the auto gear selector are a little tight. I'm not an automatic kinda guy, so maybe I'm just being fussy. Gauges are nice and controls are well laid out. The HVAC controls rule. They are the best dials I've seen or operated yet. Visibility up front and to the sides is good. The view out the back is slightly decreased. Not because of the spare, but because of the new framed window. You also need to remove that third headrest in the sedond row. The roof-mounted seat belt is not an issue. The steering feels about the same. Maybe a tad bit lighter, but I felt completely familiar with the car. The engine is smooth and relatively quiet. Pickup off the line is better, but not surprizingly so. I'm accustomed to the super low geared 5 speed, though, so it's tough to make a direct comparison. Keep your foot in the throttle and the car has some giddyup. My dealer is right next to a Toyota lot. As luck would have it, a new RAV4 pulled out of their parking lot at the same that I left the Honda lot. Smoked it.
Gizmos: Everyone here knows the equipment list, so I won't go into depth. The rear wiper is intermittent just like the current model. It wipes three or four times, then goes to once every seven seconds or so. It does not seem to clear as much of the rear window as mine does. I forgot to check the spray. The driver's power window is both "one touch" down and up. The picnic table is improved. It has a little tab that locks it into place at the rear edge. This releases when you lift the new handle. This seems a bit more secure than the current hook mechanism and less likely to rattle (not that mine does). The lift glass on the rear door is easier to operate (less heavy).
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