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Porsche Cayenne Hybrid
Take a look at Porsche's initial steps into hybrids. Tell us what you think.
First Look: Porsche Cayenne Hybrid
First Look: Porsche Cayenne Hybrid
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By your logic, any car not made by Mercedes is automatically NOT "World Class" only because Mercedes made the first car. Good thinking.
Porsche engineers say that they have produced 24.4 mpg on the U.S. "FTP" city test (one of five tests used to determine EPA fuel-economy ratings), and this represents a 36 percent increase over the standard Cayenne V6. This increase suggests that the Cayenne Hybrid's city rating could rise from 14 mpg to 19 mpg.
If the hybrid gets what the Porsche people claim it will be a much better effort than that LS600h. Since when did Lexus get into the Porsche class. Not in our lifetime.
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What does Mercedes have to do with Porsche? Not connection.
Secondly, the LS600hL is MUCH FASTER 30-50 and 50-70 than the LS460L.
Thirdly, Road and Track got 19.5mpg in the LS600hL but just 12mpg in the LS460 in their ALL-OUT, drive-like-a-maniac performance tests. That sounds like a >50% improvement to me.
And lastly, if "Porsche class" is your definition of "World class", I pity you for living in such a confined, small little world. Try going out and breathe some air some time, patient gagrice.
And yes many people are already taking deliveries of the LS600hL. Go to ClubLexus.com and share their joy.
Maybe because it has the driving dynamics of an oil tanker?
Seriously, I'm not sure what brought you to the Porsche Cayenne forum, but if you are here to promote Lexus, you are barking up the wrong tree and stepping in your own poop while doing it. Porsche owners generally like to drive. As do BMW and even some "lesser" brand owners, for that matter. We even know how to parallel park, all by ourselves.
Lexus has elected to prioritize luxury accutriments to the extreme and, unfortunately, to the neglect of producing a single vehicle that is the least bit exciting to drive or at its best on a road that has a curve or three in it. Not one. And that's just fine for their sedentary target market, who is probably just waking up from their midday nap over on the Lexus board. So head on over there if you want to make a point, but stop wasting your breath here.
And, for the record, I do happen to now own a Porsche 911, but I'm definitely not Dr. Porsche and this was the first and only "German" car I've ever owned. All the others have been Japanese (Acura, Honda, Nissan, Toyota). So there is no Euro-bias here. Yes, Lexus has taken a Buick style ride and wrapped it in a car that is as reliable as Old Faithful and as luxurious as the Presidential suite as the Ritz. But every one that I've driven or ridden in has put me to sleep just as effectively as that old Buick.
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And the LS600h is doing EXCEEDINGLY well in Japan, having sold an astounding 5,300 units in the first 40 days, which was totally unheard of for any $120k vehicle, ever.
Again, if anyone's showing a cult-like tendency, it's plain you, euro fanboy. Both the Cayenne and LS are world-class vehicles. Denying any of them is a true sign of fanboyism.
That is amazing! Got a link?
The real number (which I haven't found) will depend on production and whether orders get cancelled and not filled by other buyers I guess. It looks like these are just the Japanese orders (hey, I'm still on my first cup of coffee - y'all read it and figure it out :shades: ).
BusinessWeek Online
My link is to a similar story from a different source:
http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/provider/providerarticle.aspx?feed=AP&Date=2007- 0628&ID=7100185
2011 Porsche Cayenne S Hybrid Hitting Dealers in November (Inside Line)
Especially considering the low end torque an electric motor makes available.
So give me a Cayenne hybrid with a N/A DFI V6 engine but with a couple of throttle body fuel injectors to keep the intake valves clean and I'll offer up a purchase deposit.
The Cayenne weighs in at about 4,600 pounds which would seem to require an abundance of horsepower. So what is the basis for your most humble opinion? Just curious!
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"Abundance of HP" often operates to your detriment in the very wintertime conditions, ON-ROAD conditions, for which most of us purchase an SUV with R/awd or even F/awd.
Don't know the weight but our '92 LS400, of which I remain quite pleased, has only 248HP.
That "snow mode" button.....
That would be about 1400 pound lighter than the Cayenne. 30% more weight probably requires 30% more horsepower which gets you substantially closer to 300 hp.
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