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Toyota Tacoma Diesel?

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  • Toyota and Isuzu just signed an agreement in which both parties will share technology w/ one another.Isuzu is a diesel specialist.And of course toyota manufactuing and quality conrol expertise. Speculation is a diesel Taco within two years.Automotive News said so,and they are ususally quite accurate. Yee-ha!
  • ddonddon Posts: 1
    I've owned many Toyotas, would like to own another, but a diesel. I've waited long enough, believe me. Diesels are not popular in the US for mostly political reasons at this point. Gone are the days of the traditional diesel engine that we all remember from a few years ago. Ultra - low sulphur diesel (ULSD) is here now and the engines are available to burn it. Pound for pound, usl diesel produces far less pollutants than gasoline. As far as availability, small vehicle diesels have been available worldwide, except North America. 60% of Euro cars burn ulsdiesel and have been for years. I think the big 3, along with EPA have been the major obstacles on this side of both ponds!! And don't worry, VW TDI's will be back in 2008 with injection pumps that handle the USLD with better mileage than even today's TDI's. You'll even be able to buy one in all 50 states!
  • taco44taco44 Posts: 1
    I hate to rain on everyones parade here... but after much research I found that even though Toyota and Isuzu have worked out a deal where "Isuzu will build about 200,000 low emission diesel engines a year", it wont be operational until 2012 when the plant will be open in Hokkaido, Japan!
    The good news is that 2011-2012 is when Toyota plans on revealing the new Tacoma model.
    Again The Problem is that Toyota clearly states that They dont plan to use these diesel engines in there truck line yet (although they should in the tacoma).

    Toyota states: "plans to use the engines in passenger cars sold in Europe" (not US) So yes this is a step in the right direction but if they are only going to implement this technology of the diesel engine in Europe than it will be a while before that comes over to the US and it will be even longer before they put the diesel into the Tacoma!

    So if none of this even begins to happen until 2012, then I would suspect it will take at least 2-3 years before they bring that over to the US (by that time its 2014/2015). Than you have to consider since the new tacoma model just came out in 2012 (its currently 2015 if your following) they will most likely wait until they plan to unveil a whole new Tacoma design. Which gong by history toyota tacoma usually changes every 5-8 years give or take.

    Also they are most certainly not going to rush putting a diesel engine in the tacoma because its there #1 selling vehicle. So whats that put us at... 2020 at the earliest!

    Look Im in favor of the diesel engine and would love to have it I just dont see it happening any time soon and I think that sucks. But the bright side is many things can change between now and even 2012 (let alone 2020). So lets keep our fingers crossed. In the mean time if we want to see speeder results we should all go to Toyota.com and email the development team and tell them of the upgrades we would like in the Tacoma (i.e. diesel engine, sunroof, etc..) and if there are enough of us requesting it that will be the only way they will hear us and maybe get a move on it. (Sorry for the length post)

    What happened to our flying cars in year 2020. Man we are behind!
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,690
    is for production of 1.6L diesels, which is a pretty small engine for the Tacoma, even if it IS a diesel.

    But don't give up just yet. They originally said they would have a diesel for the Tundra by 2009, and I suspect they could offer it in the Tacoma as well. While plans for the Tundra diesel have stalled, I don't think Toyota can afford to wait much longer than 2 years to offer a powertrain for these trucks with better fuel economy. And I'm pretty sure the hybrid is dead in the water, as they focus more on the 3 different upcoming Prius models instead, which have already been delayed six months and are still more than 18 months out.

    So cross your fingers for the diesel! :-)

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • blufz1blufz1 Posts: 2,045
    Agree. Honda has got the jump on them with diesel. I would prefer an extended cab variant of the Ridgeline with a 3.0 diesel,anyway.
  • I currently drive a 1997 Toyota T100 3.4v6 and 5 speed 4x4. It is now 10 years old and I hope to one day replace it but not till I can buy a Tacoma or Nissan with small diesel and 5 or 6 speed manual and 4x4. I will wait another 10 years if I have to but I can not reason myself into a Gas powered pickup again. Toyota are you listening.
  • blufz1blufz1 Posts: 2,045
    I agree. You can reduce the cost of driving by making diesel your next vehicle. Honda has the jump on Toyota w/a diesel Ridgeline coming Fall 08.
  • ksenatorksenator Posts: 4
    Guys

    I just came back from a vaction tour in Europe and there was a Toyota engineer in the group. I specifically pestered him about a Tacoma Diesel. He basically confirmed the Tundra would have a Diesel within the next 18 months. But as far as the Tacoma goes, it isn't on the 5 year developmnet plan they would to. In other words, with the lead times involved, if it all changed tomorrow and a disel as agreed to, it would be in model year 2013
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,991
    The reason being, Toyota put all their eggs in the hybrid basket and found it was of little value in a work type vehicle. Now they have to start from zero as their diesel engines are all dirty diesels compared to the Europeans and Honda. I am sure their Tundra diesel will be to compete with the fuel guzzling monster diesels from the Big 3. Not anything I would buy.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,690
    Ummm, why couldn't they just use the diesel from the Tundra until a smaller one could be developed? The Tacoma and Tundra already share the V-6 engine. I would imagine there wouldn't be much work involved in readying the Tacoma for the Tundra's diesel.

    They really ought to do this. As mentioned above, the diesel Ridgeline is COMING. For shame, Toyota, get a move on!

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • redchevy1redchevy1 Posts: 2
    First, i think i might have myself a good long laugh at all of you. Someone said that Toyota could not make enough diesel trucks if that made one? Are you joking! If you look around the only people who drive Toyota's are people who sit at a desk all day and dont really truly use their trucks. You will never in any life time see more then 5 to 10% of the farmers and contractors in this nation driving a Toyota. They are all about supporting America not japan or whom ever else is making this crap. Also the Toyota dealers need to get their facts strait my family owns two Duramax's and a Cummins and when they tell me that their truck can pull more then mine well i almost died. I also saw someone talk about how great of mpg they got well...my 2006 duramax LBZ crew cab long bed dually and it has 360 hp and 650 feet of tourqe...at 65 mph i can get about 23 mpg. so thats something for all of you toyota fans should think about. IF YOUR GOING TO BUY AT LEAST BUY AMERICAN
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,991
    Welcome to the forum.

    I think that many of us are hoping for a smaller diesel PU truck. I think the first to the market will have a real winner. I would hope it is one of the Big 3. Ford builds a dandy Ranger diesel for the rest of the World. I would like one for the USA.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,690
    Of course it looks like Ford is going to drop the Ranger entirely, so the odds aren't good on that score. :-(

    I see the randy red "Buy American!" rooster has paid a visit. Good, good, good.

    There's more diesel news in the industry papers all the time. Seriously, if Toyota doesn't get its act together on this one it is going to be left behind in a bad way. That would be stupid after investing all the time and money they did in a new Tacoma and now the Tundra as well. Lots of companies, starting with the Europeans, will be bringing all manner of diesels here early next year. Clearly, GM doesn't plan on being left out of that wave, and neither does Honda.

    GM is going to have a smaller 50-state diesel ready, initially for the H3 but then I assume for the Colorado/Canyon and maybe other models too. Toyota, wake up!

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • lumber2lumber2 Posts: 184
    The next gen F150s will have a small displacement diesel which may be based on the Range Rover Twin Turbo V8 with 300hp and 550ftlbs torque. Some vehicles are in testing at this time if spy shots are to be believed.

    Honda has Toyota beat unless they are keeping very very secretive about their development problem.
  • nedzelnedzel Posts: 787
    Both GM and Ford are working on ~4 liter diesels for their light-duty pickups. It will be a couple years before they are on the market, however.
  • Toyota already makes the diesel 4 Runners somewhere. I work at a major Virginia airport and had to inspect a fleet of vehicles that were bought by the State Dept. and being shipped overseas by air. They were shipping 25 diesel 4 Runners to the US Embassy in Uzbekistan. I saw that all had the diesel badge on the rear tail gate. All markings were in English. Maybe they're made in Canada or Mexico? I thought that it was ironic that the US Embassy bought Toyotas instead of US vehicles.
  • rs_pettyrs_petty Posts: 423
    I doubt there are too many Ford, Chevy or Dodge dealers in Uzbekistan to offer warranty coverage. Probably based on a local service contract for the Embassy fleet.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,991
    You have to ask yourself. How can the same government that has effectively blocked the sale of many diesel vehicles in the USA, justify putting them on the roads in other countries? If they pollute here. They will pollute there. If NoX is one of the reasons for the hole in the OZONE. Does it matter where on earth it comes from?

    It is good to know that diesel vehicles can be built in the USA for the upcoming surge in sales.
  • yyadayyada Posts: 1
    ISUZU makes the DURAMAX
  • Toyota has been making an inline 4-cylinder diesel pickup called the Hilux for about 25 years. It sells almost everywhere but the US. It is widely regarded as "The Indestructible Car." In the US, we get the Tacoma, which is different from the frame up and frankly, not as good. But that is where the diesel 4-Runners stem from.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilux

    It is excellent in all weather types and easy to maintain. They already see widespread use in desert areas (like Uzbekistan). It was also chosen as the first ever vehicle to drive to the magnetic north pole.

    It has been proven that you can push it off a pier into the English Channel, wait 6 hours totally submerged in salt water, pull it out and crank it until it starts. I haven't heard of that done on any other vehicle.

    Its fuel economy has been reported in British car magazines as 34 mpg (and yes, they use the same miles as we do for for any uncultured folks reading this).

    Yes, it is strange that the US restricts particulate emissions on vehicles that burn the least amount of fuel. That is why technically the US is lagging behind on diesel technology. Not to say American companies don't compete, its just they can't sell their best products here. Ford, for example, has an excellent diesel Ranger pickup in Brazil.

    Unfortunately for Toyota buyers, the US will probably end up with half of a Duramax for an engine. (i.e. an Isuzu V8 diesel cut in half). Given a choice, i'd take the Hilux.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,991
    Welcome to the Forum!

    I would take the Hilux diesel or Ranger Diesel over any small to mid sized PU sold in the USA. I know the Ranger diesel is a great truck. Either one would be a vast improvement over what we get sold here.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,991
    There are many good choices in the category you mention. I could overcome my dislike for Toyota with a V6 diesel Tacoma. Anything bigger would be overkill for my needs. Actually a 2.5L 4 cylinder diesel would be my preference. I want a PU that gets close to 40 MPG on the highway.
  • kiwi79kiwi79 Posts: 10
    I just thought the V8 would suit the more die-hard American. It has similar fuel consumption as the current 4.0L V6. Less HP, but bags more torque!
    A better option is the 3.0L EDI T/D (inline 4cyl) that is used in the Toyota Hilux (similar, but quite different to a Taco) for the Australasian/European markets. This unit has the following figures.
    3.0L T/D
    Power = 126kW @ 3600rpm (171HP)
    Torque = 343Nm @ 1400rpm
    Economy = Combined 8.5(L/100km) Approx. 34MPG
    This engine would be sufficient. The kerb weight of the Taco is 1855kgs vs 1865kgs for the Hilux. (D/cab S/bed)
    I'd say that Toyota would more than likely keep the V8 for the Tundra and use the 3.0L 4cyl for the Taco.

    Have a look at the link. Hilux add we used in New Zealand.

    http://www.toyota.co.uk/NGHilux/Hilux_Bulls.html
  • blufz1blufz1 Posts: 2,045
    Honda has the jump. You may be able to get a 3.0 Ridgeline as early as the 09 model year.
  • kiwi79kiwi79 Posts: 10
    Sorry to say, but the Ridgline is one ugly vehicle!!!

    If ya gave one to me i'd sell it!!! I'm sure Honda will steal a few sales off Toyota if they release a diesel before Toyota do but, Tacomas are out selling the competition because they are a sharp looking truck!
  • blufz1blufz1 Posts: 2,045
    I agree it's not handsome. Honda is not going to "steal a few sales off Toyota." Honda will take 30,000 to 40,000 units off Toyota.
  • dmuttdmutt Posts: 48
    The 3.0 litre diesel in the Tacoma is on my wish list. It would be my next vehicle. I really would like to have this option offered in the USA.
  • Toyota has been making an inline 4-cylinder diesel pickup called the Hi-Lux for about 25 years. It sells almost everywhere but the US. It is widely regarded as "The Indestructible Car." In the US, we get the Tacoma, which is different from the frame up and frankly, not as good. But that is where the diesel 4-Runners stem from.

    I currently own a 2006 Toyota Hi-Lux diesel and it's hands down the best truck I have ever owned. Toyota must have a grudge against the US for sending their crap to the US because the Hi-Lux is about as tough as a truck gets and it does it all and I only have the base 2WD model.
    If they6' stop with the insane stupidity of bringing over watered down models to the US they might actually sell more trucks.
    I won't buy a Toyota Hi=Lux until I see a Hi-Lux D4D name on it.
    I love it outside the US but they can keep the Tacoma and the Tundra. I would have bought a Hi-Lux when I get back in 6 months but not a chance with the Tacoma. Heck even the rear seat in the Tacoma is useless compared to the
    Hi-Lux. I can post some pics if anyone is interested.
  • mike91326mike91326 SoCalPosts: 245
    Since you currently own the Hi-Lux would you be able to bring it with you when you return to the states? I though there was a provision in the law that would let you bring in your personal car or truck.
  • Since you currently own the Hi-Lux would you be able to bring it with you when you return to the states? I though there was a provision in the law that would let you bring in your personal car or truck.

    There might be except Asian models have no heaters in them and it's a diesel and dealing with Customs in the Philippines well.... what can I say.....
    I will sell it before I leave and it's a shame as i's such a nice truck but I will need a heater. If I was going to bring a Hi-Lux to the US I would have bought the 3.0L diesel with the 4x4 option. Driving a 2WD truck in the snow isn't much fun.
    The Hi-Lux is what Toyota should have brought to the US.
    The difference is enough to matter enough that I would still buy a Chevy over a Toyota Tacoma or Tundra.
    Toyota really needs to stop special marketing to the US and sell us cars that can be had everywhere.
    The diesel is a charmer tho. This truck would easily last me 12 years here with regular maintainance. My mileage is a bit better this month as I had a few long drives with it. My wife drove it on what amounts to a highway here and our economy this month was about 28 mpg or 12km/l
    Keep in mind most of that is perpetual bumper to bumper traffic and slow roads and the A/C on all the time.
    So just a single 40 km or so round trip increased my economy by quite a bit.
    If Toyota released the diesel Hi-Lux in the US at a good price and made it as good as the overseas models. They sell a lot more trucks than they do now by quite a lot.
    This is the truck Americans wanting a smaller truck have been looking for but all you can buy in the US is Gas Hogs.
    The diesels are huge in the full size trucks and have a huge price premium.
    I guess Toyota never heard the quote
    "Fortune favors the bold."
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