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I have been salivating over a vehicle, that I read a New Zealand test report on, that is not available in Canada.
The new 2007 Hyundai Santa Fe, 2.2L Common Rail Turbo Diesel !
Man, I'd buy that vehicle in a second !
47 MPIG and excellent torque(approx 250lb-ft) to pull a boat !
Emissions issue ? Germans should solve EPA PROBLEM, Asians will make it affordable. Americans, duh.
The reason that there are no diesels from offshore is a combination of the 'chicken tax' and until recently 'dirty diesel' fuel. Both are soon to be history. When they are you will see a flood of diesel vehicles from everywhere in the world in every class from small auto's to the new Tundra.... Including likely a diesel HiLux/Tacoma from Thailand; as well as a diesel Ranger from Thailand and a diesel Nissan pickup from Thailand.
Check out greencarcongress.com for latest developments.
Its more than just dirty fuel, I'm afraid.
Its VERY challenging to meet Bin 8, EPA for diesel engines. Car Co's will have to use multiple catalyst stages, urea injection, etc. Much research. Expensive cars only for awhile yet(maybe 2 years), Mercedes, BMW, Audi.
Read up on it a little, interesting how North America rules being dictated by California smog problems.
I like to keep cars for 10 years, and can't wait another 2 years for a decent small diesel truck. Maybe a 2 year lease on a V6 Toyota Highlander for me, till the good stuff arrives on our shores.
The average person here will catch on to Diesel, I'm sure of it !
Car and Driver just tested a Euro spec diesel 3series BMW.
Awesome fuel mileage(40MPG), 370lb-ft torque, 0-60MPH: 6 seconds flat. 2 years, sooner let me know ?
25 or 28 mpg US
The final key to American acceptance of LDDs will be the price of the option. The after treatment components wil be expensive initially, but their price will come down as they become more common in Europe. Despite the huge cost option for the American HDDs in pickups (~$5500), the price option for engines in question (3L 4cyl Diesel v. 4L V6 gas) is not as severe- where both are available, its a wash, on average: in Germany, the diesel is cheaper in the LC120, while in OZ it costs a little more.
Odly enough, Honda, being a new player in the diesel game, was the first of the Asian makes to anounce diesels for the US market. The Odessy minivan and Acura MDX are getting them, so it's no streach to assume the platform sibling Pilot and Ridgeline would get the same goodies. And if Honda leads the way, I'm sure a Tacoma, Frontier, Dakota, Colorado, and even Sport Trac shouldn't be far behind. In the mean time my gas V6 will have to solider on for a few more years.
Please Please email me that info.I live in new york city & will do & pay whatever it takes to bring that Tacoma in to the USA my email is billynycboy@yahoo.com & my #r is 917 449 2220 I would be so greatful.Thank you BILLY
The good news is that 2011-2012 is when Toyota plans on revealing the new Tacoma model.
Again The Problem is that Toyota clearly states that They dont plan to use these diesel engines in there truck line yet (although they should in the tacoma).
Toyota states: "plans to use the engines in passenger cars sold in Europe" (not US) So yes this is a step in the right direction but if they are only going to implement this technology of the diesel engine in Europe than it will be a while before that comes over to the US and it will be even longer before they put the diesel into the Tacoma!
So if none of this even begins to happen until 2012, then I would suspect it will take at least 2-3 years before they bring that over to the US (by that time its 2014/2015). Than you have to consider since the new tacoma model just came out in 2012 (its currently 2015 if your following) they will most likely wait until they plan to unveil a whole new Tacoma design. Which gong by history toyota tacoma usually changes every 5-8 years give or take.
Also they are most certainly not going to rush putting a diesel engine in the tacoma because its there #1 selling vehicle. So whats that put us at... 2020 at the earliest!
Look Im in favor of the diesel engine and would love to have it I just dont see it happening any time soon and I think that sucks. But the bright side is many things can change between now and even 2012 (let alone 2020). So lets keep our fingers crossed. In the mean time if we want to see speeder results we should all go to Toyota.com and email the development team and tell them of the upgrades we would like in the Tacoma (i.e. diesel engine, sunroof, etc..) and if there are enough of us requesting it that will be the only way they will hear us and maybe get a move on it. (Sorry for the length post)
What happened to our flying cars in year 2020. Man we are behind!
But don't give up just yet. They originally said they would have a diesel for the Tundra by 2009, and I suspect they could offer it in the Tacoma as well. While plans for the Tundra diesel have stalled, I don't think Toyota can afford to wait much longer than 2 years to offer a powertrain for these trucks with better fuel economy. And I'm pretty sure the hybrid is dead in the water, as they focus more on the 3 different upcoming Prius models instead, which have already been delayed six months and are still more than 18 months out.
So cross your fingers for the diesel! :-)
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
I just came back from a vaction tour in Europe and there was a Toyota engineer in the group. I specifically pestered him about a Tacoma Diesel. He basically confirmed the Tundra would have a Diesel within the next 18 months. But as far as the Tacoma goes, it isn't on the 5 year developmnet plan they would to. In other words, with the lead times involved, if it all changed tomorrow and a disel as agreed to, it would be in model year 2013
They really ought to do this. As mentioned above, the diesel Ridgeline is COMING. For shame, Toyota, get a move on!
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
I think that many of us are hoping for a smaller diesel PU truck. I think the first to the market will have a real winner. I would hope it is one of the Big 3. Ford builds a dandy Ranger diesel for the rest of the World. I would like one for the USA.
I see the randy red "Buy American!" rooster has paid a visit. Good, good, good.
There's more diesel news in the industry papers all the time. Seriously, if Toyota doesn't get its act together on this one it is going to be left behind in a bad way. That would be stupid after investing all the time and money they did in a new Tacoma and now the Tundra as well. Lots of companies, starting with the Europeans, will be bringing all manner of diesels here early next year. Clearly, GM doesn't plan on being left out of that wave, and neither does Honda.
GM is going to have a smaller 50-state diesel ready, initially for the H3 but then I assume for the Colorado/Canyon and maybe other models too. Toyota, wake up!
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
Honda has Toyota beat unless they are keeping very very secretive about their development problem.
It is good to know that diesel vehicles can be built in the USA for the upcoming surge in sales.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilux
It is excellent in all weather types and easy to maintain. They already see widespread use in desert areas (like Uzbekistan). It was also chosen as the first ever vehicle to drive to the magnetic north pole.
It has been proven that you can push it off a pier into the English Channel, wait 6 hours totally submerged in salt water, pull it out and crank it until it starts. I haven't heard of that done on any other vehicle.
Its fuel economy has been reported in British car magazines as 34 mpg (and yes, they use the same miles as we do for for any uncultured folks reading this).
Yes, it is strange that the US restricts particulate emissions on vehicles that burn the least amount of fuel. That is why technically the US is lagging behind on diesel technology. Not to say American companies don't compete, its just they can't sell their best products here. Ford, for example, has an excellent diesel Ranger pickup in Brazil.
Unfortunately for Toyota buyers, the US will probably end up with half of a Duramax for an engine. (i.e. an Isuzu V8 diesel cut in half). Given a choice, i'd take the Hilux.
I would take the Hilux diesel or Ranger Diesel over any small to mid sized PU sold in the USA. I know the Ranger diesel is a great truck. Either one would be a vast improvement over what we get sold here.
A better option is the 3.0L EDI T/D (inline 4cyl) that is used in the Toyota Hilux (similar, but quite different to a Taco) for the Australasian/European markets. This unit has the following figures.
3.0L T/D
Power = 126kW @ 3600rpm (171HP)
Torque = 343Nm @ 1400rpm
Economy = Combined 8.5(L/100km) Approx. 34MPG
This engine would be sufficient. The kerb weight of the Taco is 1855kgs vs 1865kgs for the Hilux. (D/cab S/bed)
I'd say that Toyota would more than likely keep the V8 for the Tundra and use the 3.0L 4cyl for the Taco.
Have a look at the link. Hilux add we used in New Zealand.
http://www.toyota.co.uk/NGHilux/Hilux_Bulls.html
If ya gave one to me i'd sell it!!! I'm sure Honda will steal a few sales off Toyota if they release a diesel before Toyota do but, Tacomas are out selling the competition because they are a sharp looking truck!
I currently own a 2006 Toyota Hi-Lux diesel and it's hands down the best truck I have ever owned. Toyota must have a grudge against the US for sending their crap to the US because the Hi-Lux is about as tough as a truck gets and it does it all and I only have the base 2WD model.
If they6' stop with the insane stupidity of bringing over watered down models to the US they might actually sell more trucks.
I won't buy a Toyota Hi=Lux until I see a Hi-Lux D4D name on it.
I love it outside the US but they can keep the Tacoma and the Tundra. I would have bought a Hi-Lux when I get back in 6 months but not a chance with the Tacoma. Heck even the rear seat in the Tacoma is useless compared to the
Hi-Lux. I can post some pics if anyone is interested.
There might be except Asian models have no heaters in them and it's a diesel and dealing with Customs in the Philippines well.... what can I say.....
I will sell it before I leave and it's a shame as i's such a nice truck but I will need a heater. If I was going to bring a Hi-Lux to the US I would have bought the 3.0L diesel with the 4x4 option. Driving a 2WD truck in the snow isn't much fun.
The Hi-Lux is what Toyota should have brought to the US.
The difference is enough to matter enough that I would still buy a Chevy over a Toyota Tacoma or Tundra.
Toyota really needs to stop special marketing to the US and sell us cars that can be had everywhere.
The diesel is a charmer tho. This truck would easily last me 12 years here with regular maintainance. My mileage is a bit better this month as I had a few long drives with it. My wife drove it on what amounts to a highway here and our economy this month was about 28 mpg or 12km/l
Keep in mind most of that is perpetual bumper to bumper traffic and slow roads and the A/C on all the time.
So just a single 40 km or so round trip increased my economy by quite a bit.
If Toyota released the diesel Hi-Lux in the US at a good price and made it as good as the overseas models. They sell a lot more trucks than they do now by quite a lot.
This is the truck Americans wanting a smaller truck have been looking for but all you can buy in the US is Gas Hogs.
The diesels are huge in the full size trucks and have a huge price premium.
I guess Toyota never heard the quote
"Fortune favors the bold."
Cultured folks know that the UK uses imperial gallons, which is about 1.2 US gallons.
34 miles per imperial gallon is about 28 miles per US gallon.
Yeah, so true but I wonder why they do it I mean is it they have no clue about the truck market only in the US? :sick:
Why not use the HiLux in every market? Unless the name was already taken which I tend to doubt.
Not much I can do but I'll bet that my truck running straight highway in the US will get at least 35mpg.
You would have a problem in the snowbelt states because no matter how well built your truck or car is it will rot out and keep rotting out due to the chemical that is put on the roads all winter. I do agree that cars today should be built a bit tougher but that's probably why they do so well in collision tests is because the car sacrifices itself to save you.
I think once you get out of the 1970's you can't find anything worth buying that is tough and durable.
Yes My Hi-Lux does have more plastic than older models. But at least it still has a ladder frame.
I love my Tacoma, but lets get a good diesel to the market and then maybe Toyota will play catch up. Looks like my next truck won't be another Toyota, but if I'm lucky the one after that might be.
cant wait for more options but both are great...
the liberty gets up to 28 mpg and can out perform dodge 3.7 litre rug engine...
Jm