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BMW 335i vs Infiniti G37

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  • "Bring me a 325d with a manual transmission & I'll be all over it,"

    if you like it that much, you can always import it on your own.

    No? then you don't like it THAT much.
  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Forest Lakes, AZPosts: 3,306
    if you like it that much, you can always import it on your own.

    No? then you don't like it THAT much.


    Are you serious? 30 years or so ago that was do-able (not easy, but possible), but no more. The EPA & CARB nannys have completely eliminated the option.

    It was never easy. Now it can't be done. Or maybe you know the "right people." Please let me know how to proceed.
  • "30 years or so ago that was do-able (not easy, but possible), but no more."

    it is still doable today.

    Whether you have the means to get it done or you are willing to spend the dough to get it done is another story.
  • A few months ago I went through the same 335 vs. g37 debate. I test drove the g37 and LOVED IT. I then went to my local BMW dealership to drive the 335 doing the math and realizing that it would be $7g more. I sat in the BMW in the showroom and looked at the rather restrained interior. No touch screen? No flashy buttons and bright lights. I was like eh, I'm not going to like this. Quick test drive and I'll go back to the infiniti dealership and start bargaining.

    I then test drove the car. The salesman encouraged me to push it. It was amazing. While on paper the 335 and g37 are close the 335 drove like something that did not belong on the highway but on a track. I even went back and drove both cars again.

    As far as status it doesn't really matter, since in most suburbs I'm sure you can find many gs and 3 series. I probably would have been happy with the G37 but the 335 is the closest thing to to a full on sports car I can get that is 50k or less, allows me to put 2 car seats in the back, and comes in AWD for the winter.
  • sjaievesjaieve Posts: 252
    "Yeah, if your definition of fun is hanging out by the A&W and drag racing Eclipse turbos and Integras."

    The G8 will do the trick as well, but again here you are ignoring a few obvious facts amongst them, all these cars you mentioned are not entry level luxury cars. Its not just a need for "raw power" although arguably the G has thas that locked down too, hence the comparison with the 335i.

    As for pure fun in the 335i, look at the posts between yours and mine.

    2010

    To change topics, looking forward to 2010 hoping to step into the 2010 G37 from my 2nd Gen G35 or the 2010 S4 (I need a lot of things to go my way if this is to happen but I love that car)

    As for the 335i, if there is one thing I respect its a car that goes years with its performance standing unchallenged, the 335i is an example of that. Only the S4 has done it but even then its close (0.1-0.2s through the 1/4 mile with a 2mph difference in trap speed). Did you guys read about the new twin turbo in the Z4, +330HP & +330lb/tq. The icing on the cake is some additional +40lb/tq that comes with a press of a button OMG. I am not sure if Audi or Infiniti will have an answer to that if that engine ends up in the 335i :D

    My prediction though is Nissan has the 350HP engine in the Nismo Z, if they can figure out a way to boost the tq from 270 to at least 300 and drop the weight in the G, then it may still be close on the track. The X28i will most likely get 260HP, see X1 and base Z4 engines, however Nissan Altima, Honda Accord and Camry V6 models may end up with +300HP from their ELLPS cousins.
  • sjaievesjaieve Posts: 252
    Just to illustrate a point here, currently pricing for the 335i & G37 are very close, here is why I am choosing the 2010 G37

    1- Reliability
    2- Handling (not implying its better but its great)
    3- Toys (I cannot do without those, just got to have them. S4 provides these two)
    4- Interior room (not implying the 335i is cramped but the G has more room, S4 is close if not better)
    5- Better looking interior especially with the 2010 updates (S4 is better)
    6- Arguably the ONLY NA engine in this segment delivering 99% of the fun in the 335i

    Dont take the above to mean I am implying the 335i is not great, in fact let me put it this way, the 335i is better than the G37, see my previous post above this one, great respect for it. Illustrating that the decision of getting a G37 goes far beyond raw power, it cannot be compared to Mustangs, Camrys as this is a whole different world altogether. In fact the Mustang is coming out with a 5l 412HP engine which will be cheaper than the G37 but there is a different crowd for that.
  • "No touch screen? No flashy buttons and bright lights. "

    touch screens, flashy buttons and bright lights and "look at me" styling are exactly things I try very hard to avoid in cars.

    one of the reasons I loved earlier BMWs is their understated styling. they don't go out of the way to draw attention at them. at least until that Bangle guy ruined it for me.

    for that reason, we abandoned the Audi A5.

    having to live with touch screens, flashy buttons, bright lights in the g37 has been a downer for me.
  • "1- Reliability"

    I had a terrible experience with my 330, but reasonably good experience with a m-coupe, 530 and then a x3. we had a worse experience with a J30. and with an Audi allroad 2.7t. but at least my BMW dealers are great.

    "2- Handling (not implying its better but its great)"

    I would give the edge to the bmw on that one. the bmw's ride is far more controlled, yet comfortable. the g's ride is harsher but sudden when pushed. the G's handling reminds of older VW's: good but primitive?

    "3- Toys (I cannot do without those, just got to have them. S4 provides these two)"

    that would be a minus for the G, for me.

    "4- Interior room (not implying the 335i is cramped but the G has more room, S4 is close if not better)"

    slight minus for the G, for being bigger.

    "5- Better looking interior especially with the 2010 updates (S4 is better)"

    agreed. both are terrible vs. the audi.

    "6- Arguably the ONLY NA engine in this segment delivering 99% of the fun in the 335i "

    never driven a 335 so I cannot opine on that but the G is considerably cheaper to buy than the bmw.

    the bmw does have the advantage of free maintenance + long oil change interval. I did have a foresight to negotiate into my purchase of the G 3-yrs of free oil changes but I have to go in more frequently.

    My sense is that ownership cost over a short period of time will be cheaper for the BMW than for the Infiniti. But if you intend to keep your car for a while, the Infiniti is likely cheaper.
  • some have talked about HP figures. My experience has been that those figures don't matter that much in real life driving.

    my 330 is a 2004-2005 vintage (one or two generations ago from the current one, I think) with ~200hp and a 5-speed auto transmission. I have also driven the same generation 325 (with a 2.5l 170hp engine) + 5-speed auto transmission, and then the later gen 325 (with a 3.0l engine + gm transmission I think). the older 325 is every bit as quick as the 330 for intown driving and lots of torque, and the transmission downshifts very aggressively. the only weakness I would say would be a little bit of chassis flex / bounces. the later 325 fixed that problem and that is a wonderful car to drive.

    the only difference between the older 325 and 330 shows up at high way passing, with the vehicles are loaded with people + luggage.

    both vehicles drive better in town than a g35 I tried then.

    the g37 has zero problem passing on the highway while being loaded with people + luggage. but accelerating from a standstill, the g has a split second lag that the bmw doesn't. the 530 suffers none of that.

    to me, the BMWs are much more refined than the G. In the end, we downgraded to the Infiniti for lower cost + hopefully better reliability: the G replaced a Volvo XC70, which we would have loved to replace with a 5-series wagon but it would have cost us twice as much as the G did.
  • sjaievesjaieve Posts: 252
    Although the G cost half, its not a fair comparison, 5 series is a different league altogether. E, M35/45, GS350 would be a better comparison. For the family I have the MDX in my radar. Kind of why the S4 may not end up in my garage otherwise would have to get S4 and a Toyota Sienna CE or G37 and MDX, the family would be happier with the 2nd option.

    We can agree to disagree on my list of 6, it wasnt meant as a comparison just a personal list of whats important to me. This is kind of why Mustangs, Camry V6, Eclipses, STis, Evos, Camaros etc would fall off my radar and the typical guy who goes for the G. Some or most people may not even have those 6 on their list of must haves but may still end up in the same place.

    You seem concerned with reliability, but as a general rule you cannot go wrong with Lex, Acura, Infiniti, Honda and Toyota. If one can say the Germans are good at sports cars, Americans @ muscle cars the Japanese have reliability locked down every year (Thats not to say there are no exceptions :) )
  • for me, the E / GS are out as I don't want to be seen in a MB or Lexus - too old for me to drive them, as does Cadillac.

    the M makes good sense from a performance point of view (vis-a-vis the 5 series) but it is considerably more expensive (due to its low residual).

    what would have been nice? a Camry V6 awd: cheap, utilitarian, unassuming and reliable.

    the C-class is actually pretty nice, though a little bit tight for a family of 4.
  • Just came back from a weekend test driving all 2010 models of Volkswagen CC sport, base A4, base C300, G37S, and Audi Q5. I came backed impressed by all based on my prior expectations except the G37. I had higher expectations with the handling - too high I guess. I came back super impressed by the Q5 but that's another story. My conclusion is that nothing drives like my '07 bmw328 coupe and inspires as much confidence on the road. Too bad I can't stand not having options, gadgets and gizmos and bmw's are overpriced and aren't satisfying, otherwise I would stay w/ my car.

    The whole 328 vs 335 it came down to where I wanted to spend the $7,000 difference between the 328 and 335 -- on an engine upgrade or on more toys. I went with the toys because I'm a middle of the road enthusiast - sport, prem, ipod integration, leather, space grey, nav, rims, comfort access, etc. After all those options the MSRP matched the base 335 or more. I see most 335s with base trim because the car would be almost in M3 territory with all those options by then.

    I understand and respect that the 335 is really the highlight of BMW next to the M3 for many reasons. I drove my brother in-law's 535 and I was amazed how the engine made a heavier car feel lighter than my 328. It must be a beast then on the 335 but my old manager confirmed that his wife's '08 328 sedan is a softer, better daily commuter car for him than his '08 335 sedan. Using the 80/20 rule here, 335 will impress the 20% of the population; the enthusiasts. But 80% of the time ... it doesn't matter to the public whether its 328/335 (if you are at all that is).

    All said and done though, I was just quoted a 2010 G37 Journey w/ Nav, Sport, and Premium for 36,500K before TTL. Now that's a great price for a combo of power/toys/luxury and I'm mulling over whether I should pull the trigger.
  • jmarounjmaroun Posts: 150
    I can't resist offering my experiences for others to consider before ultimately making their own decisions. I've owned a manual 08 335 sedan with sports package for 10 months before BMW bought it back from me, after 22k miles, under lemon law due to repeated high pressure fuel pump failures. Before purchasing the 335, I test drove the 09 G37S and 335 twice each, and researched both cars intensively.

    First let me say, no amount of research can replace the value of test driving both cars back to back for comparison. Research to me is also extremely valuable as test drives tend to be short and thus can lead to incomplete and possibly misleading impressions. I like to read everything about a car, to take everyone's experiences and perspectives into account, albiet with a grain of salt in many cases, then to test drive the cars and come to my own conclusions based upon my personal desires, needs, and situation.

    To address the points you've listed:

    1- Reliability: I obviously believe the 335 fails in this category as mine was a lemon due to failed hpfp. Remember however that there are zero maintainance costs up to 50k miles. The 08 hpfp warranty was extended to 120k but I'm not sure about 2010. The worry is, what about after 50k. Due to my experience, I'd find it hard to purchase a 335 or any BMW. Rather, I'd consider leasing. Infinity's reliability scores are markedly better according to consumer reports.

    2- Handling: The G37S felt disconnected and less engaging compared to the 335. I suppose this statement is more drive and feel oriented. It was clear after back to back test drives; the 335 is simply more fun to drive and inspires more confidence. It feels more planted and precise than the G37S. Steering is also more communitive and well weighted on the BMW.

    3- Toys: Hands down, the G37S is equipped with fancier gadgetry.

    4- Interior room: To me, both sedans offer an adequate cabin size However... If you're sitting in the back of a G37S coupe, most likely your head will hit the rear glass hard when the driver goes over any bump as this happened to me while sitting in the back of a friends 09 G37S. I didn't get a chance to ride in the back of the G37S sedan that I test drive. Just looking at the rear slanting roof line of a G37 in general and it is clear that there's an issue here that Infinity should correct.

    5- Better looking interior: the Infinity has more of a "socially sophisticated" look and feel..while the BMW has a more "minimilist yet professional" look and feel. Depending on your tastes, the Infinity interior can look either refreshing or stuffy; while the BMW might look either clean or bland. Of course a bit of both might hold as well.

    As for my recommendations..given my experiences and tastes:
    I'd probably wait a year or two, before deciding, when the new 3 series design is offered. If you can't wait and are a purest.. Lease the 335. If you can't wait and want to keep a car for a long time.. consider buying a 370Z or if you're not really an enthusiast, buy a G37.

    The 335 offers such a good driving experience, it's hard to match at its price point nor well above it. Even the E9x M3 can't offer 335 torque levels, nor as tight steering feel, at low rpm. I've compared a 335 to a lovely day, and night, you spend with someone you care about. It's just satisfying in many respects. It's that good! I would have leased another 335 after BMW bought back mine had I not been concerned about job security due to the dreary economic outlook of the time/s.

    I hope this helps some and infuriates no one. Good luck with your decissions.

    :)

    Joseph
    San Diego
  • ffxjackffxjack Posts: 47
    The whole 328 vs 335 it came down to where I wanted to spend the $7,000 difference between the 328 and 335 -- on an engine upgrade or on more toys. I went with the toys because I'm a middle of the road enthusiast - sport, prem, ipod integration, leather, space grey, nav, rims, comfort access, etc. After all those options the MSRP matched the base 335 or more. I see most 335s with base trim because the car would be almost in M3 territory with all those options by then.

    I almost pulled the trigger on a G37 but in the end couldn't because I didn't love the car either time that I test drove it but absolutely loved the 335xi. That being said, at this point in my life, I can't justify paying more than $200/month to lease the BMW instead of the Infiniti.

    Should I look into the 328? I also looked that the Lexus IS 250 because of all the interior conforts but I'm afraid the back may be too small even for my kids' rare ride in my car.
  • Dude I completely agree with all your points, all 1 through 5. The most important thing in your post I want to highlight is if a person doesn't mind leasing, go for the beemer. If you are looking to buy, then the G37 is the way to go.
  • I had a different experience between the 328 sedan and the coupe. I test drove the 328 sedan base and it didn't blow me away. The 328 coupe with the sport and premium package changed my life. I would say yes test either out with both those packages and let me know how you like it :)

    I can't comment on the latest IS250 (my cousin's '04 IS300's backseat feels like my '99 corolla's sadly). In terms of backseat I don't know how tall you and your kids are and how often you would carry more than 2 passengers. I'm not a tall guy but whenever I do drive 3 others in my car, I feel sorry for those in the backseat unless they are all average height or under. A 6'4" person driving the coupe will definitely push the seat all the way back rendering the seat behind him unusable (according to my buddy who owns a 328 too). I once had a 5'7" girl on the passenger side in front of a 6'4" beast and the beast didn't enjoy the 1 hour business trip we had to take. It was once in a blue moon trip so I wouldn't factor that in long term. G37 is definitely smaller than the beemer's. I hit my head on the ceiling in the G37 coupe in the back but never in the beemer's.
  • jimbresjimbres Posts: 2,025
    The most important thing in your post I want to highlight is if a person doesn't mind leasing, go for the beemer.

    Just a friendly reminder: "beemer" refers to a BMW motorcycle, while "bimmer" denotes a BMW car. Mixing them up here on Edmunds isn't a big deal, but if you ever post on one of the dedicated BMW boards, the regulars will flame you without mercy for calling a car a "beemer".
  • jtlajtla Posts: 375
    I was just quoted a 2010 G37 Journey w/ Nav, Sport, and Premium for 36,500K before TTL

    That is a great price for a 2010 which just hit the showroom. Which region are you in and which dealership quoted that price?
  • millwood0millwood0 Posts: 451
    there is a lot to a car than just horse powers.

    to me, a 328 is a better / finer car than a g37. however, the g offers better value.
  • thanks for the heads up. I've no shame to admit i'm still learning the ropes. heck just found out what staggered meant yesterday.
  • socal metro infiniti. this was a quote in december.
  • jmarounjmaroun Posts: 150
    Hp isn't everything. If it were, I'd recommend a Mustang GT or GT500 over a 335i..but I'd never do this.

    Regarding a 328 being better than a 335 or G37S, in a real sense, you're right IF, one is like my brother with his 330 who never redlines or even comes close. And that's just fine and respectable, I suppose, if that's all one want to do. For me, it would be a shame since I find a 330's scream to redline so beautiful, refined, and rewarding. But, if like my brother, one rarely if ever takes rmps above 5500 or so..then Yes..I'd agree with you. In that case one would be better off getting a 328 or 330 instead of a 335i. And I feel, in this case, that a 328 would be a better car than a G37 as well since when driving a 328 or 330 causually..the drive is far more rewarding and precise than for the more endowed Infinity..plus the 328 is cheaper. Some people don't need, nor want, nor will notice due to their driving style, the immediacy, and wonder of the additional torque and hp provided by the 335. Why pay for it then? I agree.

    I suppose it's a matter of one's character or personality that determines how one drives. I, myself, step on it every single chance I get. I try not to speed mind you. And try is the operative word. Stupendous speed is not my real goal. I'm not stepping on it in a blind and careless manner. Quite the opposite, I do so with full attentiveness. My goal is not only to milk this baby for what she's got. But it is to take note and appreciate what a car has to offer. I want to feel a car's spirit, to hear her scream, to get there with authority, yet precision, and efficiency (in the sense of not only path but gear/rpm choice. Grace or maybe temperance is the word. That's what I want.

    I highly recommend the 328..even to buy as it does not suffer, at least to my knowledge, from the 335's dreaded high pressure fuel pump failure. The 328 has a beautiful balance..but please get a manual. And if you can't drive a stick.. you can learn and it'll be all the more rewarding. Trust me.

    And good luck.

    Joseph
    San Diego
  • srs_49srs_49 Posts: 1,394
    I agree with everything you said, even though I went with the G37S-6MT :shades: .

    but please get a manual. And if you can't drive a stick.. you can learn and it'll be all the more rewarding. Trust me

    +1 here also.
  • jtlajtla Posts: 375
    That was one really nice post and summary. I agree with you almost 100% -- I drive a 2007 328i 6MT and have the same driving style as you. ;)

    The only thing I take exception is about 328 being cheaper than G37. That may be true in term of base price, but once you load it up with options in order to compare with G37 apple-to-apple, the price for 328 quickly exceeds that of G37 by a few grands. And that's just for the MSRP. With all the incentive available to G37 right now, the actual transaction price difference may be $5k or more.

    It is always a tough choice between the two. I went with 328i 3 years ago with no regret. I truly enjoy it every time I take the wheel. Nevertheless, I am facing the same dilemma again now that my lease is up in March. Decisions, decisions....
  • millwood0millwood0 Posts: 451
    I largely agree with your points.

    there are many types of drivers out there. some favors hp and others handling and then others something else entirely.

    I am more or less of a person who likes better handling over others. I would be perfectly happy in a miata, a rx7, or a m-coupe than in any BMW 3-series. But that's just me.

    As to 328 vs. 335, I am not sure if I care that much. If I have to chose, I would have gone with a 128 or 135 for its smaller size.

    to me, the 3-series represents a nice compromise between sports handling and utility. and the 1-series is somewhere in between the 3-series and M3 in terms of performance. and if you value acceleration that much and want to stay within BMW, the 135 would be a great car to have.

    the M3, and M5/6 in particular, is a little bit pretentious for me.
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    Pretenious is just a label. All of those cars GTR, 750, 550 LS 460, LF-A, FX45, RL they are all in the same category of upper echelon cars, with some being more upper echelon than others. But a little off topic.

    Me, I would drive an M5/M6/M3 in a heartbeat. Pretentious or not.
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    One issue I don't remember coming up is styling - specifically, the tendency for Japanese cars to look outdated rather quickly compared to the more timeless designs of European cars.

    Just look at a 5 year old G35 next to a 5 year old 325i/330i.

    There are a few exceptions (the 90-93 and 98-02 Accord come immediately to my mind), but in general, that's my opinion.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,669
    This is because BMW has "genetic" styling....one offspring resembles another. You could show people a 1937 BMW and probably close to 100% would know immediately what type of car is was.

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  • jimbresjimbres Posts: 2,025
    I own an E46, so it's probably not surprising that I agree with you.

    But I do think that the Japanese are closing the gap. The current generation G is a big step forward from the original. Although I liked the styling of the E46 much more than that of the 1st generation G35, I don't feel that way about the E90 vs. the G37. It's likely that I'd pick the BMW if I had to decide today, but not because of the BMW's looks.

    To me, it looks as if the Infiniti design team has gained skill & confidence since the 1st G was launched.
  • sjaievesjaieve Posts: 252
    Just came back from a weekend test driving all 2010 models of Volkswagen CC sport, base A4, base C300, G37S, and Audi Q5. I came backed impressed by all based on my prior expectations except the G37. I had higher expectations with the handling - too high I guess. I came back super impressed by the Q5 but that's another story. My conclusion is that nothing drives like my '07 bmw328 coupe and inspires as much confidence on the road. Too bad I can't stand not having options, gadgets and gizmos and bmw's are overpriced and aren't satisfying, otherwise I would stay w/ my car.

    Well you are contrasting yourself a bit here but my take on what you are saying is you LOVE the 328i but since the G37 is cheaper you will get that. My advice is NEVER buy a car because its cheaper, you will not appreciate what you have. Buy what you like. To be honest, in your case, stick with BMW, this is what you appear to love.
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