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2009 BMW 3-Series
raphaelhom
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When is the next make over of the 3 series? The last was 2006, right? So would it be 2009 or 2010?
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But there are rumors on Bimmerfest in October 2011 as a 2012 model.
Best Regards,
Shipo
Really? I think the 3 series is one of the best looking cars on the road, especially the coupe. Yes, the previous generation has a more classic look, but bmw has to change with the times or people will buy the "sleeker" looking Japanese cars. Classic is not necessarily better. I suppose looks are a very personal thing.
Dan
Regards,
OW
I'm actually waiting to see the 09' 3-series as well. The current model sedan has oddities in exterior design (IMO), and the interior needs some updating as well. After my wife and I test drove one the past month it wouldn't make our short list.
Regards,
OW
I really wanted to like this vehicle, my eye is still on the coupe or convertible as opposed to the sedan. The styling of the sedan looks to me like it lacks continuity ....more of a personal styling issue I have with it. Although, the two door is quite nice.
We'll see.....I'll wait for the 09's and see where we end up.
Just so you know, both the 328i and the 335i sport 3.0 liter engines (as did the E90 325i and 330i before them). That said, the main difference between the two current models is in the engine, drive train, suspension and brakes (not to mention a few interior goodies). The normally aspirated 328i has a trick aluminum/magnesium block where the 335i has a good old iron block and two turbochargers breathing on things. Their transmissions are different (at least in the case of the cars with three pedals under the dash), the wheels and tires are different, and the more powerful car gets larger brakes.
Best Regards,
Shipo
I made the same mistake during the test drive and the salesperson corrected my statement as you have.
In car buying there are many different types of buyers, as I've been reviewing posts in these forums, of which many of the posters are long standing BMW owners. Some of these very same owners go the route of modifying their vehicles and even race them on tracks... then there's a buyer such as me.
I'm not brand loyal, I view vehicles in simpler terms. Do I like the way the car looks, does it have all the amenities I want, interior space, how the car does or does not handle a curvy road, etc. Then pulling up simply numbers how does it stack up against other's in it's class, I subscribe and read the reviews from the car mags (or rags)....then I buy/lease what the wife and/or I want after test driving.
Overall I'm very interested in the car, otherwise I would not be posting, looking for feedback, etc.
My comments still relate simply to the overall package, handling, and HP vs. others, and specifically for me in this latest 3-series the interior/exterior of the car.
I'm not brand loyal either, but if I like a restaurant, there is a high probability I will go back. I might want to try other restaurants also. I feel the same about cars.
Sounds like you need to hold on that Infiniti. With the BMW you'll be paying for abilities that you will never come close to exploiting.
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2020 C43; 2021 Sahara 4xe 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2009 328i; 2018 330i xDrive
They don't have the lease deals yet. I got offered 4% off msrp along with mats and wheel locks. Not nearly the deal I would receive on an '08 but now I get the car exactly how I want it, with all the new changes, slight but meaningful I am hoping. I hope the lease deals are the same as on the 2008's. The 2008 I was looking at was .019 MF and 58% residual.
I came very close to buying a 2008 coupe. Liked the grey wood the best and wish that was an option on the sedan. I hope I made a good decision. Regardless, I am excited.
I figure the average configured car will cost 2-4k MORE than a
similarly equipped 08. And for what? An updated i-Drive??
I'd rather get a stand alone garmin which works better and is portable.
The front and rear facia modifications are of frivolous significance, lacking
bold enough initiative to create any meaningful effect. I'd argue the changes
have moved backwards, style wise as well as value/$ wise, in some respects. Making the logic 7 sound system an option makes the G37 all the more attractive from a value/$ stand point; not that I particularly recommend the G37. The move for shadowline trim instead of chrome has not been warmly welcomed by those who've realized the asthetic effect. Chrome trim, I thought, was a beautiful added feature available to the 335i over the 328's standard shadow line trim. I've always lamented on how the E9x M3 only comes with shadow line trim. Deleting chrome trim for 335is with sports package represents to me, poor judgment and an attempt to decrease manufacturing costs. Borrowing the coupe's rims for the sedan is another plain example of weak imaginitive marketing. Such a move reduces the unique styling of the sedan.
I think buyers see right through the hype. They are obvious attempts to increase profit margins on the cheap at a cost to loyal bmw consumers.
All in all the 335i still represents a superb design effort worth every extra penny.
People will buy the car en masse. It's just that these days, those extra pennies hurt. So, I'd highly recommend getting an 08 now while it's still possible. Not only will you get a price significantly under MSRP, but you'll get great 0.9% financing and you won't have to bare the brunt of a significant price hike for practically no benefit.
Joseph
San Diego
I figure the average configured car will cost 2-4k MORE than a
similarly equipped 08."
Well, I think the exterior improvements are great. They fixed exactly what I thought was wrong with the old sedan. The new front end looks wider and more aggressive, and the tail looks wider and less "fat-faced." I especially think the more coupe-like tail lights with LEDs are a big improvement.
As for pricing, according to the BMWNA Dealer Bulletin, the base price has increased $800, Cold Weather Package is up $150, and Sport Package is up $350. Park Distance Control is up $350, but now has both front and rear sensors. No price increases listed for Premium Package, Navigation, or iDrive.
Even if you check EVERY option in the book, it's impossible to pay $3000 more than a 2008, let alone $4000. For an "average configured car," $1000 - $1500 is more realistic, and well within reason for a model year increase - even without a mid-cycle refresh.
"shadowline trim instead of chrome has not been warmly welcomed by those who've realized the asthetic effect...Chrome trim, I thought, was a beautiful added feature available to the 335i over the 328's standard shadow line trim."
You mean there's a community of BMW enthusiasts who are publicly expressing their dislike of shadowline trim?!?!
Seriously though, you know, historically, BMW has used shadowline trim as an UPGRADE over chrome to signify a special car (M cars).
Also, I'm sure you know that the 335i doesn't have "chrome" trim - it has "matte aluminum" trim. You must also know that the 328i doesn't have "shadowline" trim - it has "matte black" trim.
"Deleting chrome trim for 335is with sports package represents to me, poor judgment and an attempt to decrease manufacturing costs."
Actually, "High Gloss Shadowline" trim is the costliest trim BMW uses:
Matte black trim (328i) - part # 51137117243/4 - $121.64 per side
Chrome trim (330i) - part # 51137121235/6 - $157.36 per side
High gloss shadowline trim (Optional) - part # 51137906917/8 - $218.74 per side
Well, at least you know you can have chrome trim on whatever E90 you might decide to purchase. Just $300 and a rubber mallet is all it takes...
The $800 increase is what I was lead to believe as well.
I think the added bling also adds @10 hp.
Not too shabby, if you ask me...
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2020 C43; 2021 Sahara 4xe 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2009 328i; 2018 330i xDrive
The wheels on the 2009 335 sedan with upgraded 18's do look to be the same as the 2008 335 coupe with upgraded 18's. That is a good thing as they are FAR FAR superior to the 2008 sedan wheels. The wheels on the 2009 335 sedan with 17 inch wheels look to be different than the coupe's 17 inchers. I'm getting the 17's. I love the new 17's. The 17's on the 2008 sedan were terrible for what a 335 sedan with sports package should have. Check this link for pics of the 2009 wheels. The wheel with more spokes is the 17's and are not the wheels on the 335 coupe.
http://www.motortrend.com/photo_gallery/112_0807_2009_bmw_3_series_gallery/detai- l_photos.html
On the plus side.. the diesel will have gobs of torque and should get good fuel economy. Downside is that my limited experience with driving diesels is that the redline way too soon (4-5K rpms).
On top of that, I read that they are only offering the diesel in automatic anyhow.
When I'm ready, I'll have to look at the 328i wagon (and likely the Audi wagon as well).
The nerve of BMW raising their prices. Thank goodness every other car company on the face of the planet is consumer friendly and *NEVER, NEVER* raised their prices.
http://www.topix.com/forum/autos/bmw-335i/T0OJ7C7DMQJ7ERRUF/p8#lastPost
Price hikes are toleratable.. known reliablity issues spanning several years are not.
:sick:
I hope my 08 wont have any issues when it arrives. Mine fingers are crossed.
:shades:
Joseph
San Diego
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#25 of 32 by jmaroun Aug 27, 2008 (10:24 am) Save | Reply
The 09 335i offers little improvement for its huge price hike IMO.
I figure the average configured car will cost 2-4k MORE than a
similarly equipped 08. And for what? An updated i-Drive??
I'd rather get a stand alone garmin which works better and is portable.
The front and rear facia modifications are of frivolous significance, lacking
bold enough initiative to create any meaningful effect. I'd argue the changes
have moved backwards, style wise as well as value/$ wise, in some respects. Making the logic 7 sound system an option makes the G37 all the more attractive from a value/$ stand point; not that I particularly recommend the G37. The move for shadowline trim instead of chrome has not been warmly welcomed by those who've realized the asthetic effect. Chrome trim, I thought, was a beautiful added feature available to the 335i over the 328's standard shadow line trim. I've always lamented on how the E9x M3 only comes with shadow line trim. Deleting chrome trim for 335is with sports package represents to me, poor judgment and an attempt to decrease manufacturing costs. Borrowing the coupe's rims for the sedan is another plain example of weak imaginitive marketing. Such a move reduces the unique styling of the sedan.
I think buyers see right through the hype. They are obvious attempts to increase profit margins on the cheap at a cost to loyal bmw consumers.
All in all the 335i still represents a superb design effort worth every extra penny.
People will buy the car en masse. It's just that these days, those extra pennies hurt. So, I'd highly recommend getting an 08 now while it's still possible. Not only will you get a price significantly under MSRP, but you'll get great 0.9% financing and you won't have to bare the brunt of a significant price hike for practically no benefit.
Joseph
San Diego
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2020 C43; 2021 Sahara 4xe 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2009 328i; 2018 330i xDrive
...and you'll also get a car already a year old...
I dunno, seems like you would be more pleased with an Infiniti, given all the shortcomings you seem to have with the BMW.
Z
Which Audi wagon are you looking at?
tastes equally. I decided therefore, to base my choice on utility.
At first I thought the optimal choice was obvious. Everyone knows that
white absorbs less light and thus would keep interior cabin temperature cooler than black. Alas, a white 08 335i sedan was unavailable in my favorite configuration: manual with sports package. A case of bad luck. I was forced to choose the very opposite color. Black!
After some thought however, I've realized my luck wasn't as bad as I'd thought. Especially considering that a 335i's engine has a known tendency to run a "little" on the hot side. A black car, better than any other color, should actually help dissipate the most engine heat. This is due to black's inherently superior infrared conductivity.
Interior cabin temperature is merely transient..that is AC climate control corrects it in a matter of seconds no matter what color your car is. Hot black sheet metal will dissipate heat absorbed from the sun, when moving air pass over it, faster than white or silver sheet metal. Heat from a running or recently turned off engine, far out weighs solar power that shines on a car. Therefore.. it probably is better to have a black car if one's interest is help keep its engine coolest. An engine that runs cooler not only performs better, but in the long haul will be more reliable.
Of course this is just speculative reason and I have no idea how significant a car's color would have on the net temperature of a running, or recently idle, engine. I suppose if one had access to a data-base of automobile over-heating reports, one could check to see if black cars fared better than say silver or white cars. That would be strong evidence supporting my above speculations.
Empirical evidence on this would be interesting. If anyone knows of any, please share. Especially regarding the 335i.
Joseph
San Diego
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2020 C43; 2021 Sahara 4xe 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2009 328i; 2018 330i xDrive
My own observation, which is matched by physical measurement is that lighter color cars tend to absorb less heat in the interior as the material reflects more than dark colors. However, we all could be wrong. :sick
A side benefit is that I never have to wash or wax my car, and in the summer, I can bake cookies on the hood!
Some of us hard-core drivers need to know which color is fastest- even if we never drive our cars over 80!
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2020 C43; 2021 Sahara 4xe 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2009 328i; 2018 330i xDrive
After owning a series of white and silver (and variations) cars, I went with a darker blue on my current ride. Hot or cold isn't important to me. The fact it simply shows dirt and imperfections more is what is driving me insane! Zaino, of course, helps. But I will lighten it a shade or two for my next ride... I shan't own a black car...
Still like a good white, though...
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)
It seems this assumption is wrong:
"This is due to black's inherently superior infrared conductivity."
I stand corrected. All the more reason to hope bmw fixed the
335i's over-heating issues then.
fingers crossed.
Joseph
San Diego
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Regarding exterior color paint, black, white, and blue suit my asthetic
tastes equally. I decided therefore, to base my choice on utility.
At first I thought the optimal choice was obvious. Everyone knows that
white absorbs less light and thus would keep interior cabin temperature cooler than black. Alas, a white 08 335i sedan was unavailable in my favorite configuration: manual with sports package. A case of bad luck. I was forced to choose the very opposite color. Black!
After some thought however, I've realized my luck wasn't as bad as I'd thought. Especially considering that a 335i's engine has a known tendency to run a "little" on the hot side. A black car, better than any other color, should actually help dissipate the most engine heat. This is due to black's inherently superior infrared conductivity.
Interior cabin temperature is merely transient..that is AC climate control corrects it in a matter of seconds no matter what color your car is. Hot black sheet metal will dissipate heat absorbed from the sun, when moving air pass over it, faster than white or silver sheet metal. Heat from a running or recently turned off engine, far out weighs solar power that shines on a car. Therefore.. it probably is better to have a black car if one's interest is help keep its engine coolest. An engine that runs cooler not only performs better, but in the long haul will be more reliable.
Of course this is just speculative reason and I have no idea how significant a car's color would have on the net temperature of a running, or recently idle, engine. I suppose if one had access to a data-base of automobile over-heating reports, one could check to see if black cars fared better than say silver or white cars. That would be strong evidence supporting my above speculations.
Empirical evidence on this would be interesting. If anyone knows of any, please share. Especially regarding the 335i.
My driveway is a 2500' gravel farm road. When I had my black M6 I think it was clean for maybe 30 minutes over the three years I had it.
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2020 C43; 2021 Sahara 4xe 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2009 328i; 2018 330i xDrive
It is true a minority of BMWs may have suffered mechanical issues, but all manufacturers have this. Want a bullet proof car, don't buy one.
Best regards,
Shipo
its weakness. Some may reason to dismiss the concept of reliability as an idealistic and unlrealizable goal. To strive for reliability is a choice. It's clear that some manufacturers place a higher priority on the issue than others.
Anyway, for the nobs here who cant seem to google search; here are some links as reference to the over-heat and fuel pump issue on the 335i. Some of which date quite recently. And there are many more sites.
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?s=c94747c5d1191149ce9be8d95cd380- - - 90&t=196046&page=28
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/112_0708_infiniti_g37_bmw_335/test_dr- - - ive.html
"Munich: we have a problem." lol
http://www.topix.com/forum/autos/bmw-335i/TCKF8H96BBC5NS6LO/p2#lastPost
I've taken all these reports, and many more, into consideration and STILL am very happy to purchase a 08 335i..which will be my second BMW!
Joseph
San Diego
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http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/eng99/eng99494.htm
It seems this assumption is wrong:
"This is due to black's inherently superior infrared conductivity."
I stand corrected. All the more reason to hope bmw fixed the
335i's over-heating issues then.
fingers crossed.
Joseph
San Diego
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Regarding exterior color paint, black, white, and blue suit my asthetic
tastes equally. I decided therefore, to base my choice on utility.
At first I thought the optimal choice was obvious. Everyone knows that
white absorbs less light and thus would keep interior cabin temperature cooler than black. Alas, a white 08 335i sedan was unavailable in my favorite configuration: manual with sports package. A case of bad luck. I was forced to choose the very opposite color. Black!
After some thought however, I've realized my luck wasn't as bad as I'd thought. Especially considering that a 335i's engine has a known tendency to run a "little" on the hot side. A black car, better than any other color, should actually help dissipate the most engine heat. This is due to black's inherently superior infrared conductivity.
I never would have guessed... :P
An EE, I'd bet.
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2020 C43; 2021 Sahara 4xe 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2009 328i; 2018 330i xDrive