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-mike
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The 2009 Forester is not still in Europe. Perhaps the car will be in Europe after April 2008. Let's see.
-mike
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Like I said best bet would be to get the WRX mirrors and put em on your Forester if they fit, heck the Tribeca mirrors may bolt on as well.
-mike
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J2717FG000: A whole mirror assembly with LED turn indicator for Impreza
J2717FG001: Same thing, except that it's a heated mirror, price = 52,500 yen
For Forester....
E3617SC550: "System Carrier Base," which requires roof rails
H4717SC100: "Puddle Lamp Kit"
E5517SC000: "Front Underguard" - plastic
E5517SC100: "Rear Underguard" - plastic
SAA3280000: "Sport Auto Filter"
Can someone tell me where they found the 09 trim/spec levels? I'd like to compare the X vs. X w/PP vs LLB...
23 Civic Type-R / 22 MDX Type-S / 21 Tesla Y LR / 03 Montero Ltd
It's similar to last year, except the Sports models are gone and no more manual on the turbos. Nav is a stand-alone option on the top end model of each drivetrain.
I do expect them to bring it back in a year or two. In fact they already have the perfect grille for it on some JDM models.
I say bring back a Sports XT with a manual trans, that grille, and WRB paint. Lowered, even.
Interestingly, the overall height with roof rack is 66.9 inches; this is good news. There are cargo boxes on the market under 10" tall, meaning you should be able to have a box on the roof and still fit in most garages. Big factor for me...I could see a 09 X w/PP 5MT in my future. Nice work, Subaru.
23 Civic Type-R / 22 MDX Type-S / 21 Tesla Y LR / 03 Montero Ltd
You won't see it lowered. Heck SPT can't even make side-skirts for it due to ground-clearance regulations (I'm guessing cause it's classified as a truck?)
-mike
Motorsports and Modifications Host
So what about a set of Impreza springs and spring mounts? Of course, that's a lot of money for squaring up the rear profile of an Impreza wagon.
Former frequent poster here. I'm currently on my second Forester. First was a 2000 S with 4EAT; current is a 2005 XT with 4EAT. If my past two purchases are any indication I'd be looking at this car in 2011 (third year of cycle as were the first two).
Right now I'm willing to reserve some judgment until I actually see the car in the metal and drive one. Improvements look to abound but photos don't communicate quality and durability of materials. Styling is subjective - I miss the squareness of my two Foresters and this one looks more like my wife's Honda Pilot. However I didn't buy either of these cars for their looks.
Too many things could happen between now and then to even say whether I'd consider a regular or high-performance Forester variant next go-round. I will say this much, however; the next one will continue to have only two floor pedals. My arthritic knees aren't getting any better so barring knee replacement surgery I don't see myself ever owning a car with a conventional clutch pedal again.
I am really tired of all the automatic transmission bashing on this and other car forums. People who view the presence of a clutch pedal as some gauge of manhood, and fail to comprehend that people who drive automatics may desire performance need to get over themselves. There are more automatic XT owners than manual XT owners; are they happier with their cars, therefore less likely to complain about them on internet forums?
All that said, I was disappointed that I couldn't get the 5EAT/Sportshift combo on my XT (for that matter, on the SG generation as a whole), and I'm appalled that it's not available on the upcoming model. I must profess ignorance when it comes to CVTs and so again must reserve judgment until I drive one. I have driven clutchless manuals (exclusively in German cars to date) and I think they'd make a great compromise for someone like me while still satisfying manual transmission enthusiasts. In any event I hope it won't be long before Subaru offers more than just the 4EAT/5MT option to Forester owners.
Ed
Bob
-mike
Motorsports and Modifications Host
Do those organizations still allow them to autocross, or have the rules changed since I was able to autocross mine?
Ed
It's usually judged on a case-by-case basis, if I wanted to take one out for a few laps I'm sure they'd let me, however I doubt they'd just allow em to run in general.
-mike
Motorsports and Modifications Host
I doubt if many here are going to be disappointed that they can't Race or Rally the Forester in sanctioned events. But many will miss the sense of involvement in the driving experienced that driving a stick allows.
As for me, I'd be getting the NA version anyway, so not having a stick in the Turbo versions is no big deal for me. What ticks me off is that apparently you have to get the Turbo to get the telescopic steering wheel. A Tilt and Telescopic wheel really is a useful item. If the tilt-only wheel won't allow me to lift off the gas to hit the brake, without hitting my knee on the bottom of the steering wheel, that will kill the deal right there.
I replaces them before this winter with Goodrich Traction T/A's. I ran these tires on a V8 Taurus SHO and an old 535i with great results.
The tires that came on the car (Yokahamas?) slipped and slid all over in the rain and snow. They were worse than the Goodyear gatorbacks that came on my '87 Mustang 5.0.
I don't know about anybody else, but I don't get particularly great gas mileage. Especially for a relatively low powered 4 cylinder. I get close to the EPA rating on the highway, so I can't complain I was mislead or anything. But still, low 20's from a mid size 4 cylinder vehicle, AWD or not, is pretty pathetic. I got 25-26 from my '87 V8 Mustang (5MT) at 75mph on the highway, about the same as I get from my Subie.
Around town (most of our driving here in Chicago) we prob avg high teens.
Hmmm, there's more to having a MT than going to the track or driving agressively on a twisty backroads. Some of us just like a MT for the control that no AT (with the possible exception of a VW DSG or similar) can give you.
"Usefulness" is in the eye of the beholder.
Unfortunately the previous Forester owners voted with their pocketbook and you guys ended up off the island
-mike
Motorsports and Modifications Host
Ed- I think you're being a little too defensive. I don't think anyone disputes that the automatic was a wonderful invention and is a great convenience for many drivers. However, manuals are still preferred by some drivers such as myself and we resent not being able to get the vehicle of our choice with a manual transmission as an option.
-Frank
I know we got that statistic from Bob but I really have to question it. Anecdotally at least, the number of MT Forester's I've seen on dealer lots has been far higher than 2%. And it's not like the MTs sit on the lot forever either.
-Frank
No dispute here, Frank. I'd often like to be able to get back into a traditional manual; maybe if I dedicated myself to some intensive physical therapy I could. Any loss of choice is a bad thing in my eyes.
I don't dispute the advantages of driver involvement and control as well as, in most cases, better fuel economy offered by manuals, either. What I find bothersome is the view that somehow the lack of a clutch pedal - even when the driver can still select gears manually - makes a car somehow less performance-oriented.
I have read some rumors that Foresters may get 6-speed manuals in the not too distant future, so maybe instead of 4EAT/5MT we'll see CVT/6MT as options. I'm willing to be patient in all respects; hopefully consumer demand will dictate that both manual and automatic options are made available.
Ed
My original posting alluded to just XT sales, but that was incorrect. I thought I had posted an update on that?
Bob
• Rear seat has two backrest positions
• No roof rack cross bars. I guess they're now optional.
• No cargo cover, probably because the cargo area now has tinted glass. Again must be optional.
Bad news is that there was no STI there! However, there was an new EVO there (but locked up), which was next to the Subie display.
Bob
So it's not just that the manual is gone, but also that the lone choice is pretty much bottom-of-the-barrel automatic. I don't think anyone makes a 3 speed any more.
Any how, most customers don't even know how many ratios their transmission has, they just want it to shift smoothly. Some newer 6 speeds are actually giving Toyota more problems, with hunting, indecision, etc. I guess it's harder to come up with a shift map with so many choices.
At least we can hope it's tried-and-true and reliable.
At one point we owned 3 cars, all manuals, but now one's an auto and pretty soon 2 of them will be. I prefer to drive a manual when I choose to drive, but an auto when I have to drive (in traffic).
Bob
Ed- I think the fuel economy gap between the two is pretty much gone now. There’s still usually an initial cost advantage to buying a manual and many argue that they’re cheaper to repair but then you don’t have to replace the clutch with an automatic.
However, I think the perception that an automatic is less performance-oriented has, for the most part, been historically accurate. Many of your higher-end sports cars have traditionally only been offered with a manual. Meanwhile until recently, relatively crude 3 & 4 speed automatics dominated the market. Now with automatics getting 5, 6 or more gears and the greater proliferation of various "sport-shift" options, the gap in perceived performance has certainly dwindled. The increasing sophistication of the automatic is no doubt a big contributor to the ever shrinking availability of the manual transmission.
-Frank
At least it finally gets SportShift.
• Telescopic steering wheel XT models only—really strange...
• NAV optional only on LL Bean and XT
• X Premium pretty much the same as now.
• Base X models get 16" wheels
• Base models don't get reclining rear seat or fold-out rear seat cupholders
Bob
The Premium package seems to add a lot, and each level adds incrementally more content.
I'm happy because we're looking at an LL Bean model, probably, so it gets a lot of the stuff the base model does not.
-Frank
Although I couldn't adjust the driver's seat, as it's power, and the battery was disconnected. I did, however, adjust the front passenger seat, and in doing so, was able to get a good read on the rear seat room.
It was too bad that there wasn't also an '08 model there to directly cross-compare the two.
Bob
I'll try to catch photos of the max, minimum, and me sitting-behind-myself leg room.
Any other requests?
I may take a tape measure.
-Frank
Bob
-Frank
The newer smaller SUV's seem to be using 'stylish' rear quarter panel windows which cause a nice blind spot. I don't think they look that much better, why not allow the driver to see?? I'm glad to see Subaru didn't follow in this annoying trend.
So I need to test drive it to be sure the turning radius is as small as they say, but this seems like the perfect replacement for my 01.
-mike
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Bob
I don't need you to take a tape measure or anything, but many vehicles make it tough for people with long legs to lift their right foot off the gas, and move it over to the brake, without hitting the bottom of the steering wheel with their right knee. Some cars are worse than others - I just sat in a '08 Outback Sport, and it wasn't too bad. But my Highlander is really bad. The steering wheel seems far away from my shoulders, and so, too close to my leg.
If there's a Turbo model, perhaps you could also tell us how much adjustability (fore and aft) there is with the telescopic steering wheel.
Width of the second row seat (is it wider?).
Center seating position in the second row. Is it comfortable?
With the second row folded, are there any gaps/holes (like old foresters) and is the carpet well fastened to the second row seat back? (unlike 01 outback)
I have 3 kids so second row space and comfort beyond just leg room is important.
For the leg room measurement you might want to measure from back of the front seat to the backrest of the second row seat. Otherwise just a small change in the seat cushion in the second row makes it appear like there is more leg room. Besides the seat cushion is ussually too short for my long legs anyway(6'4") and doesn't support far enough out.
We all want to know rear seat space, from the back of the front seat to the rear seat back. Near the top, maybe around shoulder level or so, Frank? Hmm, maybe I'll do a video and put it up on YouTube. I think that might give people a better idea.
The test I usually do it sit behind myself, and see if I can move my knees. On the old one they would hit the front seats.
I will take photos with me in the seat as well. I'm 6', 30" inseam, about 205#, so a pretty good 80th percentile male for size. I'll put my 2 kids there, too, since that's how most people will use the seats.
My legs are not that long, just 30" inseam, though I wear my pants low. But I'll try to capture the pedal-to-steering wheel space as well. Do you want me to tilt the wheel all the way up? Telescope it all the way out? I believe the LL Bean that is there has tilt/telescope wheel.
I may go on Sunday. My daughter has a hoops game at 11am on Saturday, so it sort of splits the day in half, leaving less time. I have to check the hours.
gouldn: Subaru did with the 06-07 Tribeca, but they fixed that for 08, mostly.