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2009 Acura TSX
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Anyway, when i asked him to speculate on the 09 TL lease deals he mentioned that the 36 month residual on the new TSX was somewhere in the 70%'s. He told me that acura has implied that this "standard" will apply to the new TL as well. Has anyone else heard anything like this? That is incredibly high and would make for great lease deals, no?
I can only speculate on the difference in quality of materials, but folks in european forums talk about many improvements in this area. So I would guess Honda decided to save money and do not provide upgraded interior for TSX any more. In previous generation the interior was pretty different in TSX -- Euro Accord had interior similar to US Accord in terms of the layout and the quality.
That would explain why some people mentioned relatively "cheap" plastic on the dashboard.
Interestingly enough the silver panel on steering wheel looks better. I have no clue why Honda decided to swap this detail between Euro and US model (old Euro Accord had it in black).
Still have a few thousand miles before getting my car to the service. Will take a look then. So far reading all the information I doubt I will ever trade my Black-on-black 2005 MT6 Navi for new one.
By the way, my friend bought a '05 BMW 325 a couple months before my purchase and regreted it (he had test drove the TL and TSX too) within a year. I calculated $6k difference for the badge (ok, and better driving)
no regrets here!
The biggest weakness of the interior is the modest rear seat leg room. It's rather tight back there, unless the front passengers put their seats up quite a bit.
Keep these comparisons in mind if you should try the back seat of the new TSX, and see if you don't agree that, given the increased size of the car, Acura should have provided rear seat passengers with greater leg room. The considerable increase in width of the new model doesn't compensate for the lack of more back seat legroom. It's disappointing.
Internet Price:
2009 TSX $28,333 incl. destination
2009 TSX w/Navigation $31,333 incl. destination
Hope it helps...
(prediction: june-july, 2008: 2009 TSX at invoice)
The one thing I don't like about Acura is that the dealerships push more for sale than Mercedes dealers do. Walking in to Rosenthal Acura in Gaithersburg, MD is like walking into a cage with hungry animals who now see fresh meat. I guess this works for them or they wouldn't do it. But I don't like it.
I was given 65% residual and a 2.6 money factor. I was also told the base residual is at 68%.
The money factor and residual are fixed. If you negotiate payment they can take you to the cleaners in a hurry.
Calculating lease payments is then very simple. Remember that "down payment" is not really a down payment if you are paying for any taxes or acquisition fees. A true down payment on a lease is a cap cost reduction which directly impacts the monthly payment since it reduces the purchase price.
Once you do all of this, the negotiations are very quick. You can even take a laptop in with the lease calculator in Excel to do the math quickly.
How do you go about negotiating the price with a lease instead of the monthly payment. Do you reverse engineer the monthly payment (using the lease calculator) to find the price, then offer that amount? How do I know if there are any dealer incentives?
The dealer also told me that the markup was only $900. I looked up the invoice and it was about $2,500 and I'm sure the dealer has manufacturer incentives as well.
I hope the '09 TL fares better than the TSX.
"To its credit, the redesigned 2009 Acura TSX doesn't try to hide its aversion to fast driving."
Steering: "Worse, the new setup has an unsettling lack of predictability. It doesn't deliver a sense of secure stability when the TSX is pointed straight ahead on the freeway and it also takes too long for the power assist to drop away as your speed increases."
Acceleration: "The 2009 Acura TSX is also an easy mark for almost any family sedan with a V6, especially when equipped with the five-speed automatic. We tested a TSX with the five-speed and its 0-to-60-mph time fell to 8.6 seconds (8.3 seconds with 1 foot of rollout like on a drag strip). That's slower than all four of the family sedans in our last comparison test which included the Chevrolet Malibu, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima and Toyota Camry."
Handling: "There's considerable body roll and the P225/50R17 Michelin Pilot HX MXM4 all-season tires run out of grip quickly. And the lack of steering feedback makes you feel like you're driving the 2009 TSX half-blind"
"This has real consequences in the slalom, where the Acura averages only 64.1 mph, one of the slowest speeds we've recorded among current-day, premium-brand cars. It's 1.5 mph slower than a 3,600-pound Honda Accord EX-L V6. Even a Mitsubishi Lancer with a weakling 2.0-liter engine and a power-sapping continuously variable transmission beats the TSX through the cones with a 65.4-mph speed"
Braking: "But this particular set of brakes for the 2009 Acura TSX isn't fully up to the task of stopping a 3,400-pound car"
"The TSX won't stop any shorter from 60 mph than 127 feet, which is 14 feet farther than an all-wheel-drive Lexus IS 250 that weighs 100 pounds more (and costs the same). The TSX's brakes fade dramatically after just one stop, and there's smoke coming off the rotors by the third run. The car isn't happy. We're not happy"
Wow. This might be a first for Honda, they have managed to design and build the antithesis of a driver's car. Worse yet, they have designated it an Acura, their "premium brand".
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
All maker's incentives are listed right here at Edmunds - there are no rebates on the 09.
http://www.autoobserver.com/2008/06/big-three-big-vehicles-taken-to-the-watershe- d-in-may.html#more
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
First off, for someone who wants to make an entry into the "luxury" line of cars (lexus, acrua, infiniti, audi etc.) this car makes the choice easier for me.
It's priced under $30k (w/out Nav), comes pretty loaded up with leather, sunroof and others. And I actually like the new style. I can't get a new Lexus IS, Infiniti G35, or Acura TL for less than $34k.
Even though it's only a 4 cylinder, who cares? Doesn't that mean less gas consumption to some extent? The other cars I am considering is the 08 Accord and the 08 Maxima.
Naturally the 08 Accord is "almost" the same interior and engine as the 09 TSX, but I think I might actually pay the extra money b/c I think the TSX looks better than the 08 Accord.
I personally don't need speed at all, afterall, how fast can you actually go with other cars on the road?
Anyway, I just wanted to throw my two cents out there. This coming from a novice when it comes to handling, steering and all that other stuff. I test drove the car for a half hour and thought the ride was quite nice.
I think you will find they are all nice rides, some can be had cheaper, and the German and Swedish turbos provide a rush that will make you forget that TSX in a heartbeat! ;-)
Oh, and as for "Even though it's only a 4 cylinder, who cares? Doesn't that mean less gas consumption to some extent?"
..I can only say, yes, to some extent. However, Acura's own TL with 1/3 more power from a V-6 does only one or two points worse for fuel economy, and all the turbos I mentioned do the same as the TSX, but with more power and waaay more torque.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
I haven't checked out the US prices, but in Canada a few configurations of this IS250 are priced at or below the TSX. The IS250 is similar in power and speed, but offers the smoothness of a V6. And IMO, the Lexus looks better, and is more upscale.
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2009-acura-tsx-review/
What sorta ticks me off is that they messed up all the best parts of the DRIVE in the TSX - handling, steering, making it porkier - and that's something that Acura never would have done ten years ago.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
Well, I can tell you it matters to this Acuraphile (me). I've driven almost exclusively Honda and Acura models all my life, and there is nothing in the Acura/Honda lineup that excites me right now. I thought they got it right with the current TL in terms of size and style, and the only thing missing was the SH-AWD. But it appears they have messed up the styling with the '09 and have made it porkier. It's going the way of the Maxima, which was also a model gone bad.
Honda/Acura is not far behind Toyota/lexus on the snooze scale, IMO.
I used to love the TSX and TL (I loved the Legend, too). I used to love Acura more than any other brand. BMW type handling and dynamics (feedback) even if fwd offerings, at better quality levels - amazing steering, great damping.
It's bad enough Acura is straying from its driving dynamics roots, but what they've done to the new TSX is a sin.
I think that TSX review is brutal, but honest. Something needs to change at Honda/Acura.
Honda has even managed to ruin the Civic (if you watch Top Gear, you will know what I mean - the last gen Civic is superior to the new one).
Nothing is sacred.
but,for instance I do not care for the huge wing like logo on the front grill of the TSX, perhaps if they shrunk this down in size and lowered in down further in the grill, it would look more balanced. I just think that company's are stepping outside the box, which is good, and not trying to be the normal, ordinary car. After all we all want a unique car that does not look like the one next to you. but, with that said, we all have our own image of a good car and what makes a bad looking car.
When comparing which two cars to get (TSX or Accord), I never was truly sold on the design of the Accord. And I know how the "experts" trashed" the new TSX, but as an "amatuer" I love the car. I think it looks amazing, drives great, and has a ton of standard features.
In fact, when I was in the decision process, I went to the Acura dealer first and saw the new TSX in person for the first time I was hooked right then. The pictures do this car no justice at all in my opinion.
Waiting for the diesel, and if they fix the glare problem I'd buy it.
As a TL owner, it'll certainly matter to me. If the reviews of the next ('09-??) generation TL are comparable to those of the '09 TSX, there's a high probability I'd switch brands.
Incidentally, while the reviews of the new TSX make it unappealing, I'll acknowledge that I like the exterior styling. As for the interior, I happen to prefer the woodgrain look to carbon fiber. I know that the carbon fiber look is more contemporary, but I like the warm feeling of wood, even if its really plastic, as long as it's not too fake looking. Maybe they should give buyers a choice. Despite my preference, carbon fiber wouldn't be a deal breaker for me. Maybe I'd even grow to like it, but it would be an acquired taste.