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Your kidden right? Try reading Consumer Reports or any other independant car magazine. Tops of all the car classses are anything BUT american. Trucks might be another story, but cars no way ! ! !
Reputation is generally built on the Law of Large Numbers. You need a large enough database to make accurate predictions on probability (or reliability for that matter). I might flip a coin ten times and get ten heads. But my conclusions would be in error because I don't have a large enough sample. I need to flip it 10,000 times. :P
I was wondering is this problem experience by any one else? I will be going back to the dealer to check on my accelerator Should I request them to replace the pedal under Toyota recall problem?
I hate to say it but it seems like Toyotas have quirky issues, some are dangerous and some are annoying but i think we're all going to be enduring this for a while. :sick:
I took it to the dealer and I had a tough time replicating the noise (of course) but they checked the air intake hoses and did not notice any problems there.
Anyone else brought their corolla in for the this problem?
Could it be the belts or something transmission related?
I advise you to open a case number through Toyota and let them know about the issue. They will eventually do something about it if enough people complain.
Toyota Consumer Hotline is 1800-331-4331.
DEALERS WILL INSTALL A NEWLY DESIGNED INTAKE AIR CONNECTOR WHICH WILL RELOCATE THE BRAKE SYSTEM VACUUM PORT. THIS SERVICE WILL BE PERFORMED FREE OF CHARGE. THE RECALL BEGAN ON SEPTEMBER 21, 2009. OWNERS MAY CONTACT TOYOTA AT 1-800-331-4331.
Recall Summary
TOYOTA IS RECALLING CERTAIN MODEL YEAR 2008-2009 SCION XD AND MY 2009-2010 COROLLA, AND COROLLA MATRIX VEHICLES EQUIPPED WITH 1.8L ENGINE AND ORIGINALLY SOLD IN OR CURRENTLY REGISTERED IN THE STATES OF ALASKA, COLORADO, IDAHO, ILLINOIS, IOWA, KANSAS, MAINE, MICHIGAN, MINNESOTA, MONTANA, NEBRASKA, NEVADA, NEW HAMPSHIRE, NEW YORK, NORTH DAKOTA, SOUTH DAKOTA, VERMONT, WISCONSIN, AND WYOMING. WHEN DRIVING UNDER CERTAIN UNIQUE CONDITIONS IN EXTREMELY LOW AMBIENT TEMPERATURES, THE INTAKE MANIFOLD SUCTION PORT FOR THE BRAKE VACUUM CAN BECOME BLOCKED DUE TO THE FREEZING OF CONDENSATION RESULTING FROM POSITIVE CRANKCASE VENTILATION.
Consequence
THIS COULD LEAD TO AN INCREASE IN VEHICLE STOPPING DISTANCE AND A CRASH COULD OCCUR.
unknown5 is not saying the initial brake recall issue, which only happened at subzero temps, is at fault for the noise. He is saying that the fix they did for that problem is what is causing the noise. I had the recall repair he listed performed and the noise started almost immediately afterwards.
They stupidly have not released a TSB for it, which is probably why so many people are having trouble getting their dealers to acknowledge that there is a problem.
They said that a detailed fix for the noise problem is discussed in the original recall information that dealers receive for the brake vacuum intake cold weather issue. Why they would not release a seperate TSB for it is insane, because without the TSB dealers may not think to look back at the original recall notice. But nothing Toyota does surprises me anymore.
They said that if I can replicate the noise to the dealer they should have to fix it without charge since the fix is part of the original recall and since the fix caused the noise. We'll see how this goes.
"Ensure that the air intake connector is properly aligned with the throttle body by pulling upward on the air intake connector hose fitting while tightening the bolts. Failure to do this may result in a whistling noise during light throttle application."
This is the exact problem described here and on the Toyotanation board and others. And since this note was not included on the original recall instructions, I bet loads of people are experiencing the problem. And I bet lots of dealers didn't even bother reading the second set of recall instructions, with the note about the noise, because they assumed that the repair instructions had not changed at all.
The craziest part is that Toyota has not released a TSB to address the problem. When people go to their dealer to get it checked out, the dealers, who I am hesitant to defend, may not be aware of any issue since no TSB has been issued and the problem is buried on a revised set of recall instructions.
www.techinfo.toyota.com
1. Sign up
2. click on the TIS tab on the top
3. Choose your car and hit search
4. Scroll down to campaign bulletins
5. click on #3:
"SSC 90H Certain 09 - 10 Corolla, Corolla Matrix, and 08 - 09 Scion xD Vehicles Equipped with 2ZR-FE (1.8 liter) Engines Brake Systems Vacuum Port (Phase 2 - 13 Additional States)"
-make sure to pick the phase 2 one, the original recall instructions do not include the note about the noise. The original recall instruction can be seen for free on the NHTSA recall site, but they do not have the note about the noise.
6. on page 17 you will find this huge note in the recall repair instructions:
"Ensure that the air intake connector is properly aligned with the throttle body by pulling upward on the air intake connector hose fitting while tightening the bolts. Failure to do this may result in a whistling noise during light throttle application."
I first noticed the noise after I got the recall done and I am going to my dealer today to ask that they fix it (bring the printed out proof since I am sure they willhave "misplaced" the copy corporate sent them.
Having read over the instructions, it honestly should not be that hard for them to fix it. It essentially involved take one part off, and making to hold the part a certain why when putting it back on.
P.S. As long as you pay for the 2 day membership, you can also print out loads of repair instructions, for simple things like changing the water pump all the way up to fixing the clutch. They are very detailed and have loads of pictures.
After that, it is fine.
I also had my dealer reposition the brake air intake unit and the noise went away. It took a few tries to get it right.
Here is my experience on vibration: when driving downhill--steep, strait and long slope, the car starts to speed up, to about 80 km/h (50 mile/hr), there is a kind of control system (if it has) starts to work trying to hold the speed (like kind of engine brake?), this function (like braking, even if your foot is away from the brake) causes the vibration.
I tried a few times, and it happens all the time!
It is not problems of tire, neither brake pad/rotor, or whatever, I think it is the problem of the design/control/programming! I explained to the dealer, they don't understand--how can they know? Maybe the Toyota engineer know exactly what's the issue----IT IS the design problem!
I regret bought this car. Toyota will never be my next car!
Contrary to logic, when this happens I do have to pump brakes to reset brakes and get any braking force. None of my other cars with ABS have worked in this manner. Someone I work with has a '08 corolla and has same problem. His dealer told him, maybe he drove through a puddle and brakes were wet!
Toyota , something is wrong here. would suggest all who have problem to report to nhtsa website to get some traction (no pun intended) on this issue. thanks!
I would think that removing the evaporator would be the last drastic step in curing this problem.
Here's the link:
http://www.empirepao.com/tsb/T-SB-0384-09.pdf
The TSB doesn't say anything about what's causing the odor or why the "new" evaporator fixes it. I suspect it has to do with draining.
"This repair is covered under the Toyota Comprehensive Warranty. This warranty is in effect for 36 months or 36,000 miles, whichever occurs first, from the vehicle’s in-service date. Warranty application is limited to occurrence of the specified condition described in this bulletin." ©
I think the latter sentence refers to the VIN range that is applicable.
What happened was I received a letter regarding the floor mats and accelerator and I got angry about it because I don't have this particular problem. My floor mats are hooked and safe on the floor board.
So I called the telephone on the letter they sent me. Toyota's Experience line....it was provided on the letter telling me to take the car for the recall repair. So I call it and they tell me this is just the customer service line and would have to transfer me but that since it was Saturday no one would be there. So I got more angry and I told the guy on the phone "look, Toyota sends me a letter that says this is the telephone number to call for "customer experience" and the letter says they are open on Saturdays till 4 pm and now your telling me that basically the letter got that wrong too? So they guy says I will call down there and see if someone is there. Well guess what someone was there! He apologized and transferred me. I finally reach someone and they tell me that someone has to call me back from their casework dept. So I hung up after I gave all the info.
Well I go to work on Monday and they called...imagine that. After I explained how this vehicle is going kill me the caseworker then tells me that there is a fix for my Corolla. It is called "a computer for the power steering." She then called my local Toyota dealer where I bought my car and gave them my complaint number and briefed them on the problem my car had meandering all over. Then she called me back and told me that I needed to make an appointment with the repair service and after they duplicated the problem they should order my computer for the steering to fix the problem. So YEAH!!! I made the appointment for Saturday the 9th and then I will have to go back again to install it. So on the 9th Toyota will repair the floor mat and accelerator and check the valves and order the new computer. Finally they are attempting to provide consumer service to their loyal customer.