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Toyota Prius vs VW Golf TDI
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That's also incorrect.
Dealers have mechanics devoted to the hybrids. So, the workload for the traditional vehicles will not affect those bringing in their Prius.
Mine was updated 2.5 weeks ago. It only took a few minutes.
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Very interested in your personal experience with Prius after the honeymoon is over and the miles accrue past 100,000.
Diesel engines typically perform better at 100,000 miles than they did at 100 miles. Do hybrids increase their performance as they break in?
The information may be a bit outdated, but it is part of a trend related to software issues in the Prius and other Toyota models.
What about recharge times? At 110 volts, 12+ hours. At 220/240 volts maybe 4- 6 hours. How many people have out access to 220/240 volt outlets, even 110 volt outlets.
As to biodiesel and NOx, there are just as many studies that show it will increase NOx versus no change in NOx.
With the introduction of exhaust treatment in Diesels, NOx is now a non-argument.
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/03/vw-golf-diesel-electric-hybrid-tdi-genev- a.php
http://www.wired.com/autopia/2009/12/volkswagen-up-lite-concept/
I fail to see where 50MPG is more efficient than 70 MPG. Could you please clarify?
to deliver 51.9 MPG, lifetime average. It is my primary commuting car although
I will use my wife's car on severe weather days.
Our ZVW30, 2010 Prius has 9,105 mile at the last fill-up, Feb. 13 and
delivers 51.2 MPG. We use it for out of town trips and errands.
Sunday I'll visit a boy with 250,000 miles on his 2001 Prius. We'll be looking
at some maintenance issues but otherwise, he's been one happy camper.
The highest mileage USA Prius I know of had 350,000 miles before being
lost in traffic accident. The owner bought another Prius.
We hadn't even noticed the 2010 braking pause because it required
rain-slick streets, a speed-bump or severe pothole, gentle braking and a
speed under 20 mph. Break any of these pre-requisites and it doesn't
happen. Measured with an accurate accelerometer, it was a 700-800
milliseconds:
I got my brake update, A0B, February 13 in Decatur Alabama and since
then I've not been able to replicate the brake pause. It is a simple software
update to the skid control computer. So here is a pothole that could
trigger the brake pause:
The deep part is 5-6 inches deep and about 7 feet long. They tend to
show up in the winter when water freezes in street cracks.
Before the software update:
You can see the weakened brake force.
After the 30 minute, software update:
The brake pause is gone.
Bob Wilson
LMAO looking at those goofy charts. Too bad your test equipment cannot find Toyota's problems with UA acceleration. Another anomaly that has plagued the Prius since the 2004 model arrived. You could save Toyota a lot of embarrassment. Not to mention market share.
"The new VW/Audi TDIs are cleaner than the Camry V6"
So I looked up the California Air Resources Board executive orders
reporting emissions:
A-007-0285 - "Volkswagen Jetta, Jetta Sportwagen, Golf, Audi A3"
- 0.055 NMOG or NMHC STD [g/mi] @UL
A-014-0651 - "Toyota Camry Hybrid"
- 0.010 NMOG or NMHC STD [g/mi] @UL
A-014-0649 - "Toyota Camry" 2.5L
- 0.055 NMOG or NMHC STD [g/mi] @UL
A-014-0652 - "Toyota Camry" 3.5L
- 0.055 NMOG or NMHC STD [g/mi] @UL
Bob Wilson
"If it was that simple to detect, ..."
It was not simple to detect. It required a unique combination such that half
of the 2010 Prius owners had not even detected it. Even now, I could not
replicate it unless:
(1) speed bump or severe pothole, paving crews corrected two reports
(2) rain slick street, does not happen in dry weather
(3) speed under 20 mph approaching bump, faster and it doesn't happen
(4) modest braking, held constant ... hitting the brake harder stops the
car instantly
Of the total, only 20% felt it was severe upon first experiencing it but
once they had experienced it, knew to apply the brakes harder and
stop instantly. It would only be dangerous to unskilled drivers, diesel?,
who don't know to push the brakes harder. But after the software upgrade,
many report their brakes are better than their ordinary cars.
You wrote:
"Too bad your test equipment cannot find Toyota's problems with
UA acceleration"
Actually we have something better, Dr. Gilbert's report. It turns out he
had to introduce two faults:
(1) resistive jumper between sensor output - it had to be a resistive jumper, not a straight short
(2) pull up resistor to Vcc - this swings the output up to generate the maximum acceleration
In contrast, diesels with worn rings can begin burning engine oil, runaway
and disassemble themselves. That is an excellent reason for running a
diesel many, many miles.
Working on a diesel has special hazards too:
What happens is the injection site actually puts diesel deep inside the
wound. This requires extensive and terribly expensive medical
treatment. Probably painful too.
Bob Wilson
Or have access to any outlet at all next to their car... (apartment parking lots)
A further five accidents involving Toyota's latest Prius model have been reported in Japan.
The incidents involved crashes in which the car's brakes did not work sufficiently.
Reports said the country's transport ministry has already received some 80 complaints about problems with the latest model of the flagship Prius hybrid.
Toyota's British arm has confirmed UK drivers have also complained about a brake-system safety problem.
In the US, the company faces a government probe into the safety of the Prius after transport officials received more than 100 complaints.
Company president Akio Toyoda has apologised to customers and admitted the car maker was in crisis over safety recalls.
Economy cars, Prius score poorly in IIHS crash tests
Be safe go BIG
"The V6 Camry puts out ..."
Apparently you forgot this is the Prius vs. Jetta^H^H^H^H^HGolf
thread. Perhaps you ought to scamper over to the
"Camry vs Golf" thread.
So you got called on CARB emissions and now want to change
the subject to a discussion about Camry. Sorry my friend but you'll
have to carry that load alone. But hey, maybe "pf_flyer" will
change the title ... again.
The Prius kicks TDI butt in emissions and you know it. Welcome
back to the thread already in progress.
Bob Wilson
"Prius score poorly in IIHS crash tests"
The Insurance Institute for Highway Safety reports something else
for the Prius.
I don't mind "diesel talk" but do you ever write anything accurate?
Bob Wilson
The fact is the VW TDI holds every mileage record going for any distance other than across town. You want to challenge the record holders get that 2010 Prius out on the highway. 48 states in 19 days and 67.9 MPG is the target to beat. I get mighty tired of some flaky magazine taking a car for 20 miles and giving some stupid mileage number that is absolutely meaningless to the average car buyer.
http://www.iihs.org/ratings/ratingsbyseries.aspx?id=480
You like facts. Here they are. Your chance to show what that Prius can do.
Helen and John Taylor have done it again. The husband and wife team of hyper-milers fuel stretchers have just broken their own "48 Contiguous U.S. States Fuel Economy Guinness World Record" with an average of 67.9 miles per gallon. That's quite a bit better than the duo's previous record of just over 58 mpg, and it was recorded over three weeks and more than 9,000 miles without such controversial and potentially dangerous techniques as drafting or rolling through stop signs.
"Sorry Charlie"
Too bad you're living in a diesel fantasy land:
We even looked at Jetta owner mileage reports:
These charts date from this summer but the ratio hold true. Here
are your own, Jetta mileage numbers:
Here is another example:
Again, it is your own TDI owners showing the puffery of your
claims. Sorry Charlie, you're still sunk.
Again, you wrote another diesel fantasy:
"Toyota. . . with their line up of dangerous vehicles"
Perhaps the truth is a VW sales critter is here trying ...
desperately trying with omissions, unsubstantiated claims,
and general FUD ... fighting against reality. In contrast, the
Prius is listed as the second, least expensive vehicle
insurance cost by the National Highway Traffic Safety
Administration. Now that safety defects fixes are readily
available, the Toyotas remain in the top safety ratings.
In contrast, our diesel advocates like to show these scenes:
Then we have the noise, the racket made by VW's in the
"Meet the Volkswaggen" commercial. Your company revelles
in the racket they make.">
Bob Wilson
past 100,000.
Since I witnessed growth in marketshare the entire time I've own a Prius, while diesel remained flat, there
was no end to the honeymoon.
118,185 miles when I traded the 2004 for a 2010.
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All those over sized charts prove is the EPA does not know how to estimate mileage for new cars. This is the official winner. It must be irritating that no one wants to put 9000 miles on a Prius in 19 days to take back the OFFICIAL MPG record. The truth is I despise the overly complex hybrids as much as you despise the simple high mileage diesels. That is called a Mexican standoff. So I am waiting for some NEW revelation that the Prius has taken the mileage lead. Not old charts posted multiple times. They are no more relevant to the debate than the first time they were posted. Especially anything done by the defunct EPA.
fuel mileage world record at 67.9 mpg
We hope our record-breaking journey helps educate the driving public that decisions, such as choosing the right tires, using the right fuel and adopting fuel-saving driving techniques, can help anyone save money and fuel, and reduce carbon emissions.
Also, the report covers the previous-generation Prius, not the redesigned 2010 model. However, you will notice that the previous-generation Golf (aka Rabbit) scored worse in the test than the Prius.
What has happened to journalistic integrity?? :sick:
However, your posting of disgusting medical photos appears offensive and bizarre.
When comparing todays mpg with that before RFG/oxygenates, one might like to consider the ~10% across-the-board drop which occurred when RFG/ethanol became mandated in gasoline.
a gas car that got 52 mpg 20 years ago would probably get 45 mpg on todays gas, unless it could be retuned to optimize for the todays increasingly adulterated gasoline.
in the fuel-smell department, recent days of dealing with gasoline powered generator and spilled gasoline reminds me that wish i had a diesel generator. gasoline smell really makes me gack, but diesel smells like victory.
a pal of mine had a 1980s dasher diesel. automatic. it was comical in its pastel blue color and its slowness and the stupendous soot clouds it produced. it was most definitely a "tank".
Two points. The cost to repair is many times lost in the overall concern for the occupants safety. Yet it means higher premiums for the smaller more easily damaged vehicles.
Second more emphasis should be put on crash tests between small cars and big vehicles. That is where the NHTSA has fallen flat. What is the chance of a Prius running into the back of another Prius? Or a Golf into the rear end of another Golf.
IIHS is concerned with cost to repair as they are supported by the Insurance companies. They want you to know if you crash your Prius or Golf at low speed it can cost a small fortune to repair. And will raise the rates for smaller vehicles.
OK. Then thanks for posting the article that provides another benefit of buying the Prius over the Golf--lower cost for repairing damage to low-speed crashes (based on prior-generation cars).
Also, consider that the IIHS side impact test is designed to simulate a collision with a small truck or SUV, so there is some emphasis placed on simulating crashes with larger vehicles.
And it was noted that repairing a 2010 Prius is less costly than a decade old Golf/Rabbit. How does the 2010 Prius repair cost compare to the 2010 Golf repair cost? Compared to a 10 year old F150 PU truck. If you want total honesty in posting.
back to the thread already in progress
If you look at post #753, I left some URL's that show the VW diesels to be cleaner than the Prius.
I find your above statement to be rather silly considering that VW/Audi got the Green Car of the Year Award.
Burning fossil fuel of any kind has negatives. In the big picture diesel is the most efficient of the fossil fuels on a per gallon basis.
Comments dirercted personally at other users are not acceptable, and that's where we always seem to wind up when "diesel vs hybrid" comes into play.
If this discussion reopens it will be for comparison of the two title vehicles for people who are shopping between them. It will NOT be yet another battleground for people trying to "prove" anything about the relative evils of diesels vs hybrids.