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What Would It Take for YOU to buy a diesel car?

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  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,043
    Assuming VW chooses the same 2.0L TDI used in their EU version. It is still shy of the 369 ft lbs of torque offered in the GLK. I think that rating for the VW GTD engine is 280 ft lbs.

    The new X3 20D has 184 HP and 280 ft lbs of torque. A good matchup for the Tiquan TDI. Not really in the same league as the Mercedes. Though BMW claims 42-47 MPG on the highway.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,952
    Yep, like I said, the rentals will be gassers. I am unaware of any diesel rental cars in the entire American and Canadian rental fleet. Probably too much risk of a dumb customer messing it up.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,043
    Say what? Did I hear you correctly, you're going to carry tools in the back of a Mercedes?

    Absolutely. My wife's nephew uses his GLK350 as a work vehicle. He does glazing and caulking. When he told me how much he liked it l decided to give them a shot. Then my research showed me they are now offered in diesel. I personally think they are not that attractive. But they are nice to drive and the mileage is very hard to beat. I don't think you can find anything comparable.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,043
    Actually there is a company in Hawaii that runs a fleet of rental beetle TDIs on 100% biodiesel.

    http://www.bio-beetle.com/
  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,952
    Oh yeah, a specialty fleet. That's cool. I meant like the general line at Budget or similar - you just know gasoline would end up in the tank somehow.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,043
    I doubt anyone ever uses a whole tank of bio diesel on Maui. It is also the home of Pacific Biodiesel. They have written the book on making diesel from waste cooking oil. If they are smart they would insist on supplying all the fuel for their rentals.

    Pacific Biodiesel also set up a refinery for Kettle Chips in Oregon. They have a fleet of beetles running on bio fuel. 50 miles on every 7600 bags of chips.

    http://www.kettlebrand.com/about_us/sustainability/

    Willie bio diesel is also an offspring of the Maui biodiesel operation.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,043
    According to the salesman at a VW dealer here the best quotes come from USAA. They will accept them. Better than Costco pricing. I think USAA uses TrueCar. I know the quote I got and the dealer verified it was 12.37% below MSRP on a VW Touareg TDI Lux.
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,265
    "In the last three years we have had the highest diesel [fuel] prices on record and the highest differential between diesel and gasoline on record," Schaeffer says. "We've also had a very tight economy."

    Despite all that, consumers today are buying more diesel cars than ever before."

    Buying a Diesel Car Gets Easier as Selection Grows

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  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,961
    edited July 2013
    Just a snap shot (today, corner store: resort town)

    RUG $3.89
    PUG $4.09
    ULSD $3.89

    So using fuelly.com for 2012 VW Touareg 18.8 and A MDX 21.7 PUG and Touareg TDI 24.8 ULSD, we get per mile driven costs (respectively): 21.8 cents, 18.8 cents and 15.7 cents
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,265
    I was on the road and filled up with RUG for $3.79 this afternoon. Otherwise I would have to had paid $3.89 at home. The buck or so I saved paid for the coffee I got.

    I'll try to remember to check diesel tomorrow - I bet our numbers are right in line with yours.

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  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,576
    Wow! Not here. RUG is ~ 3.95, and ULSD is always $0.40 higher.
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  • flightnurseflightnurse 35K feetPosts: 1,648
    Prices are different currently the ave price of RUG here in PHX is $3.51/g and ULSD is $3.65/g

    Does anyone play the fuel bonus points at the local grocery store/fuel station? Last night I was about to purchase RUG at $2.51/g (up to 35 gallons.)
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,961
    edited July 2013
    No. Some grocery stores give some cents off a gal. Then 2 to 5% off on sponsoring credit cards.
  • eliaselias Posts: 1,934
    edited July 2013
    sometimes the bonus points/rebates are only good for *gasoline* purchases !

    in shopping news, i think the diesel vehicle I really need is a 2007 Benz GL Bluetec . Or 2007 Benz R-class bluetec .
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,961
    edited July 2013
    So are there many of either and/ or both of those diesels on the markets?
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,265
    Remembered to check. :shades:

    RUG is still $3.89.

    Diesel is (drumroll....):

    $3.87.

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  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,043
    While visiting with MB dealer the R diesel came up. He said they are one of the hottest used vehicles. There is a cult like following. Personally I don't like the looks. GL seems more practical.

    VW dealer called this morning. Offered to match the USAA price on the Touareg TDI Lux and finance for 60 months with no down and 0% financing. I am so tempted to go for it.
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,265
    edited July 2013
    Aren't they gone as of 2012?

    There's a spat over in the VW board about whether "all" diesels are turbos or not. So I made a list. Seems like more of a shopping list to see what options are currently available (we say there's 29 diesels available, but I figure there's a few pickups in there that aren't showing up in the Car Finder list under the New Cars tab).

    I'm curious to see how many I missed (I did gloss over the various trims in pickups - I doubt the diesel engines are different between a crew cab vs an extended cab).

    For a little easier readability perhaps, I'll still the list in the next post.

    And don't ask me what the difference is between a turbocharged diesel and a turbo diesel is LOL.

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  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,265
    edited July 2013
    2013 Audi A3 Diesel - 2.0L 4-cyl. Turbo Diesel

    2014 Audi A6 Diesel - 3.0L V6 Turbo Diesel

    2014 Audi A7 Diesel - 3.0L V6 Turbo Diesel

    2014 Audi A8 Diesel - 3.0L V6 Turbo Diesel

    2014 Audi Q5 Diesel - 3.0L V6 Turbo Diesel

    2014 Audi Q7 Diesel - 3.0L V6 Turbo Diesel

    2013 BMW X5 Diesel - 3.0L 6-cyl. Turbo Diesel

    2014 Chevrolet Cruze Diesel - 2.0L 4-cyl. Turbo Diesel

    2013 Chevrolet Express Cargo Diesel - 6.6-liter turbodiesel V8

    2013 Chevrolet Express Diesel - 6.6-liter turbodiesel V8

    2013 Ford F-250 Super Duty - 6.7-liter turbodiesel V8

    2013 Ford F-350 Super Duty Crew Cab - turbocharged 6.7-liter diesel V8

    2013 Ford F-450 Super Duty Crew Cab - 6.7-liter turbodiesel V8

    2013 GMC Savana Cargo Diesel - GMC 6.6-liter turbodiesel V8

    2013 GMC Sierra 2500HD Crew Cab - 6.6-liter turbodiesel V8

    GMC Sierra 3500HD Crew Cab - 6.6-liter turbodiesel V8

    2013 Mercedes-Benz E-Class Diesel - 3.0-liter V6 turbodiesel

    2013 Mercedes-Benz GL-Class Diesel - 3.0L V6 Turbo Diesel

    2013 Mercedes-Benz GL-Class SUV - 3.0-liter diesel V6

    2013 Mercedes-Benz GLK-Class Diesel - 2.1L 4-cyl. Turbo Diesel

    2013 Mercedes-Benz M-Class Diesel - 3.0L V6 Turbo Diesel

    2012 Mercedes-Benz R-Class Diesel - 3.0L V6 Turbo Diesel

    2013 Mercedes-Benz S-Class Diesel - 3.0L V6 Turbo Diesel

    2013 Mercedes-Benz Sprinter Van - turbocharged 3.0-liter diesel V6

    2014 Porsche Cayenne Diesel - 3.0L V6 Turbo Diesel (or turbocharged 4.8-liter V8 for the Turbo S)

    2013 Ram 2500 Crew Cab - 6.7-liter turbodiesel inline-6

    2013 Ram 3500 Mega Cab - 6.7-liter Cummins turbodiesel inline-6

    2014 Ram Promaster Cargo Van - 3.0L 4-cyl. Diesel (a Fiat-sourced 3.0-liter turbodiesel I-4 per MotorTrend.com)

    2013 Volkswagen Beetle Convertible Diesel - 2.0-liter turbodiesel

    2013 Volkswagen Beetle Diesel - turbocharged 2.0-liter diesel

    2013 Volkswagen Golf Diesel - turbocharged 2.0-liter diesel inline-4

    2013 Volkswagen Jetta Diesel - turbocharged 2.0-liter diesel inline-4

    2013 Volkswagen Jetta SportWagen Diesel - 2.0L 4-cyl. Turbo Diesel

    2013 Volkswagen Passat Diesel - 2.0L 4-cyl. Turbo Diesel

    2013 Volkswagen Touareg Diesel - 3.0L V6 Turbo Diesel

    (Additions and corrections gratefully appreciated)

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  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Forest Lakes, AZPosts: 3,288
    There's a spat over in the VW board about whether "all" diesels are turbos or not.

    Does anyone really believe that there are still naturally-aspirated diesel engines being put into highway vehicles, or off-road either, for that matter?

    Interesting.
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,961
    edited July 2013
    Indeed. Usually the discussion is around whether or not it has one or two turbos and the merits. ;) Two examples of twin turbo diesels: BMW 335 D, MB GLK 250 Blue Tec.
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,265
    edited July 2013
    Beats me.

    I admit the Cayenne Turbo S turbocharged turbodiesel made me go huh? :shades:

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  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,961
    edited July 2013
    It might be a misprint, referring to the new 2014 GASSER ( 550 hp ) A 550 hp TDI turbo, (x 2) using current ratios would put out close to 930 # ft of torque !!!!!!!!!

    A 550 hp gasser would put out under the torque capacity of the 8 speed transmission (627 # ft)
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,265
    edited July 2013
    It's probably just me misreading the review and specs. We do say "The two Turbo variants are just plumb crazy." :D

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  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,961
    edited July 2013
    It would seem the 2014 TDI reads 240 hp @ 406 # ft.. By omission, it is a single turbo, not a twin Turbo. Standard is the 8 speed A/T, aka, tiptronic with no other transmission options.
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,955
    If you are ever going to buy one, it looks like now is the time. On this deal, what would the final price be?

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  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,043
    The Touareg I am looking at has an MSRP of $55,170. USAA has a price for that vehicle of $48,304. Not sure what tax, title and license will be. When he called me he said he would accept the USAA pricing with $0 down and 0% interest for 60 months. I will also find out what the lease will be. With his earlier quote I am guessing about it would be $619 per month for 39 months. Payments would be $805 a month for 5 years if I pick up TTL up front. I think it is probably as good as I will get for a VW Touareg TDI Lux. It is the same vehicle I took a long test drive in about 3 weeks ago. He told me they are not fast movers and I would say he was telling the truth.

    The MB ML350 Bluetecs are selling better and the dealers are not so anxious to make good deals. Unlike the GLK250 BT which seem to have about the same discounts as the Touareg.
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,961
    edited July 2013
    In the case of the Touareg, what you say are TRULY TWO of its' market advantages. I am sure that if you look carefully @ the ML 350 (similarly equipped) it will costs thousands, if not @ least $10k MORE. For the greater audience, this MB is a competitor in the Touareg's space. This is not even to mention that MB has not offered ZERO down and ZERO percentage. Needless to say any percentage over ZERO will be another premium, in comparison. Of course, the more long term question is which car delivers higher % RESALE value.? My research tends to point toward VW T TDI.

    The GLK 250 is really not a competitor with the Touareg, except maybe on pricing. Right now it seems that EVERY MB GLK 250 in inventory are loaded with any array or combination of options. This has the effect of making any MSRP much higher than the standard accessories @$ 38,590. Indeed the one I test drove was app 52k and they were dealing @ app 48k +. Another is if you like any other color (of 12) than black, white and red, the minimum bump is $720.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,043
    You are correct. The ML350 Bluetec comparably equipped has a TMV right at $10,000 higher. And no special financing has been offered. As you noted the GLK is not in the same league as the Touareg or ML. Yet nicely equipped would be about the same as what I can buy the VW for. And not insignificant is the fact that the VW NAV and electronic package are more advanced by quite a lot. And I did not include the free service offered by VW for 3 years.

    I think if I can beat the dealer down to my price on a 39 month lease we will have a done deal. My wife and I both agree we will probably want something new after the lease is up. We should have considered it on the Sequoia and would be far ahead over paying cash.
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,961
    Indeed that is really true. I think that is one of the utilities of speaking "COST Per Mile Drive". Some of the lease terms are almost becoming as complicated as any gov agency can put out.

    To me however, it should be as complicated and simple as monthly payment/ monthly miles driven (max) = cost per mile driven: lease.
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