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Just for comparison, the Toyota LC & LX470 has the Nav, JBL/Mark Levinson system, and CD changer in center console.
Looks to be getting ~18 around town?
Not too too bad (but not the 35 I got in my BMW )
intmed - the cd player is behind the nav system, but it is a single cd player only.
thanks.
: )
Mackabee
Only had it for a week so no gradual improvement.
21 was highway driving with very little traffic, cruise set between 70-80, no A/C most of the ride, me, my dog, and some luggage. Running premium gas for right now.
Worse gas milage must be the weight of the nav system Really though, like Cliffy said the best way to calc is the old fashion way.
It is not much bigger than a Jeep, just about the same size. It is much more heavy duty as far as the thickness and stength of its underpinnings.
Also, it has front, center, and rear lockers, as well as stability control and traction control. It also has a nice Mercedes leather, heated seat interior. Of course its 72k.
It will be interesting to see how Four Wheeler rates the 4Runners 4x4 capibilities against the H2 and Rubicon
Since Four Wheeler only really cares about 4WD ability in their contest, the vehicle with the most off-road ability will win. Comfort and on-road livability are way down near the bottom on their list of priorities.
Bob
1) 6-disc indash changer w/ 10 speakers
2) 6-disc changer in rear w/ 10 speakers. Not sure if this one
is the default with the NAV.
Wow - did you notice how well-written and succinct these "form" E-mails from Toyota are? Their marketing department writes better responsive pleadings than most lawyers. In any event, it's almost a bit overdone and more than you would expect in order to make their case. My guess: they must be on notice already and bracing for what they fear may be a cladding revolt. In any event, these statements seem to tip their hand . . . I doubt you would have received the same level of detail if we had complained, say, about the lack of passenger vanity mirror, etc.
My belief is that you get what you pay for? You will always find that the Explorers are less expensive,but, in the long run, please research which seems to hold its value and lasts longer? Don't get me wrong, I like Ford (we have had a bronco and three p/u's),but, their is a quality difference and you get what you pay for. To sum it up, you will not get a 4-Runner Limited in or near the same $$ as an Explorer...Yesterday, tomorrow, or in the future!
Worth the hour drive!
So, this AM, i put in a 3/8" fuel line tube connecting the axle hole to all the way up the rear taillight housing...a full 38" from the ground! The front diff and transfer case breather tubes extend to about 27" off the ground...thus, these two are the limiting factor.
So, basically, my 4runner can ford 27" of water!!
Oh yeah, finally able to get a more accurate measurement of my ground clearance (stock tire size)...it is 10.1". Front skidplate is about 10.4".
Have you noticed a high rev sound (someone mentioned it might be the fan) when you are stopped with the car in drive and the brake on?
Did you get the adjustable air suspension for the rear of the truck? That and the 6 CD changer are the two options I don't have.
Have you noticed in the manual an extensive section devoted to a DVD player that looks like it can be mounted above the glove compartment? It looks like it can play DVDs on the nav system screen? It is apparently not for a DVD screen for the rear seats because it says that the video is disabled if the car is in motion. I wonder when that will be available.
Finally, have you seen anything on accessories or attachments for the 4runner? I am particularly interested in all weather mats and a ski rack attachment for the roof rack.
chidofu
I have not noticed any noises while stopped. Only thing I have noticed is a small click feeling from the brake pedal occasionally. May get it checked out if it continues. Also, Toyota put the wrong connector for the top position of the 2 level cargo shelf (one side is okay, the other side is a hook instead of the slot for the shelf lock).
I haven't seen any accessories. I contacted Thule and they told me another month or so for roof racks. You can get a Saris hitch rack that will do skiis as well as bikes.
I am also looking for all weather mats but the dealer said not yet. I had thick rubber mats for my LR Disco, hope I can find something similar soon.
I'm an engineer, I don't believe in reading manuals
BTW: For those considering an 03, I am really happy I went 4runner over my 2nd choice, a disco.
I test drove an '03 Explorer before ordering the 4Runner, and was underwhelmed. The IRS was, indeed, nice, but the vehicle was substantially noisier than the '03 4Runner I test drove and the quality of the interior was several cuts below the 'Runner's (a common thing with vehicles from the 'big three' automakers). I also note that the Explorer's optional V8 makes only 282 lb/ft of torque @4,000 rpm compared to the 'Runner's 320 lb/ft @ 3400. Not hard to tell which'll be the better tow vehicle.
The '03 Limited I ordered had everything but the nav system, and the MSRP with shipping was $41,016. The dealer, Metro Toyota of Kalamazoo, MI, discounted it to $38,815, and also made a very attractive trade-in offer on our present 'Runner. I'm pleased!
-Karl
I am not sure why you would want Full-time over the multi-mode 4wd system?? The multi-mode provides FULL-TIME if you want it too!
All in all, I liked the feel/quality, and am still considering it as a viable replacement for my 1994.
beercoll1 is right about the transmission. you can't even feel it changing gears it is so smooth. you should take the 5-speed transmission into account when deciding between the v6 and v8.
chidofu
Steve, Host
Also, there are TWO transfer cases. The 4Runner, Sequoia, & Tundra share the same transfer case (2.56 torque multiplication). The one on the 4Runner has Torsen...the other two does not. The Land Cruiser and LX470 has a different transfer case (2.49 torque multiplication), which does not have Torsen. Pretty interesting and confusing, huh!
I have not seen any ads yet in the Atlanta, Georgia papers. I think it is a good sign for the customers to see some discounts on the new model.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
However, after checking the "Build Your Own" section on the Toyota site just now, it appears that what the dealer really has is a Limited with the X-REAS suspension. I specified that we wanted the "Rear Height Control Air Suspension" (which includes X-REAS Sport Enhancement Suspension). The rear height control suspension is one of the primary reasons I want the Runner--otherwise I'd just as soon keep my Highlander. I have sent an email to the dealer to clarify, but he is closed until Monday. It appears from the website that the rear height control suspension may not even be available yet.
Anyone know if the rear height control suspension is available now, and if not when it might be?
http://www.familycar.com/RoadTests/Toyota4Runner/Photos2.htm
Please let me know if otherwise.
PS. Good deal on the MSRP (-1750). which dealership?
Yunno, too bad adjustable rear suspension isn't available on V6 huh? (LTD V8 option only)