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Ford Fusion/Mercury Milan Hybrid

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  • DEARBORN, Mich., Dec. 10, 2008 – Ward’s Automotive Group has named Ford’s redesigned Escape and Mariner hybrid engine to its 2009 10 Best Engines list.

    The 10 Best Engines list marks North America’s only awards program honoring powertrain excellence and is designed to reflect the diversity of powertrains that will play a role in reshaping America’s automotive landscape.

    Ford’s 2.5-liter, dual-overhead cam I-4 hybrid engine was the only hybrid engine selected as a winner. The judges praised not only its smooth gas-to-electric transition but its overall quality feel as well. This is the fifth year of production for the Escape Hybrid but the first year for the SUV to use Ford’s new 2.5-liter engine. Previous models used a 2.3-liter 4-cylinder engine.

    “Ford engineers have done a tremendous job,” said Drew Winter, editor in chief of Ward’s Autoworld magazine. “With hybrids in particular, software is such a big thing. The software that regulates how the power is transferred back and forth from gas to electric, when it’s done badly, can be jerky and unsettling, but when it’s done well, it really elevates driving pleasure. It’s the difference between a superior powertrain and a science experiment.”


    I assume this is the same engine as used in the 2010 Fusion/Milan hybrid. While I personally have no use for hybrids, Ford will likely get some very good press when the Fusion hybrid rolls out and that could create a ripple effect for other Ford products. Follow up the hybrid with the Ecoboost and the future brightens up in Dearborn.
  • gregg_vwgregg_vw Posts: 2,415
    Actually, it is not exactly the same. It is further improved for use in the Fusion/Milan with, for example, the ability to go further on batteries alone. It certainly bests the hybrids offered by Camry, Altima, and Civic. Of course they are all moving targets.
  • bigtbigt Posts: 412
    Any ideal what the orange outdoor plug and cord is doing as show in some of the Milan pictures. Does it have to be plugged in to recharge?
  • gregg_vwgregg_vw Posts: 2,415
    No it does not. Perhaps it has an optional engine heater for colder weather.
  • bigtbigt Posts: 412
    They have done a great job on this vehicle. I am starting to get really interested:

    http://www.mercuryvehicles.com/2010milan/
  • 43 MPG in a Fusion hybrid. Oh.... yeah....
    Styling looks OK, too.
    Just to clear up earlier posts in this thread, the 2.5L 4-cylinder engine is the same one in the latest Escape hybrid, but the rest of the Fusion hybrid (batteries, etc.) is improved over the Escape hybrid.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,669
    41 mpg city, 36 hwy. Beats Camry by 8 mpg city and 2 hwy.
  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    Looks like Ford must have paid the EPA VERY well to get those numbers.

    (jk)

    No, actually, that means they optimized the components very well.

    Good job, Ford !!!

    (never thought I'd say that)
  • I keep reading about the official EPA estimate for the hybrid, but what about the other engine and transmission options? Are they not out yet?
  • milkman1, I heard the 4cylinder non-hybrid Fusion will beat Accord and Camry in fuel economy.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,669
    No official numbers yet but Ford says the 2.5L I4 should get 34 mpg highway which beats Accord and Camry by 1-2 mpg.
  • iwant12iwant12 Posts: 269
    Akirby, do you know if the '10 Fusion will be on the same chassis as the '09? Isn't it based on the Mazda6's chassis? Thanks.
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  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,669
    Sort of......

    The original chassis for the 06 Fusion was a highly modified Mazda6 chassis (they lengthened and widened it among other things). For the 09 Mazda6 and 2010 Fusion it appears they're sharing an updated version of the Ford CD3 chassis (that's why the 09 Mazda6 is longer and wider). So it started as a Mazda6, was modified by Ford for the 06 Fusion, then updated for the 09 Mazda6 and 2010 Fusion.

    But each company does their own engine controls, tuning, suspension design and tuning, etc. Just look at the fuel mileage of the 2010 Fusion I4 and the Mazda6 with basically the same engine.
  • iwant12iwant12 Posts: 269
    Okay, thanks for the info. I'm kind of liking the '10 fusion; have to wait until I see it in person.

    Have a good one.
  • texasestexases Posts: 5,533
    Just got my CD, and the Fusion hybrid won the comparo over (in order) the Camry, Altima, and Malibu hybrids. They really liked it, thought it was the best driving one, and it got the best mileage. Estimated EPA city/hwy is 39/37. A Milan version will also be available, but no MKZ.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,896
    Ford said today that its new 2010 Fusion hybrid has been certified by the EPA at 41 mpg/city and 36 mpg/highway, with a combined rating of 39 miles per gallon. That beats the hybrid versions of its competitors in the mid-sized sedan segment (at least based on their 2009 EPA ratings): the Toyota Camry (33 city/34 highway); Chevy Malibu (26/34); and the Nissan Altima (35/33).

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/uptospeed/2008/12/ford-hybrid-rol.html

    The 2009 Fusion/Milan get real high marks from owners. That should be a good sign for Ford. Ford already has the best CUV hybrid for mileage.
  • The Ford Fusion Hybrid is very good. However, I think the new Honda Insight being sold for $20,000, and the more roomy Prius that gets better MPG are going to be most people's first choices in hybrids. Moving targets there. To me, the Fusion has the advantage of being the most "normal" car amongst the hybrids, a selling point, but it won't equal the MPG of the more roomy Prius or be as cheap as the new Insight.
  • texasestexases Posts: 5,533
    "but it won't equal the MPG of the more roomy Prius "

    I don't think the Prius is more roomy than the Fusion - do you?
  • texases said: "I don't think the Prius is more roomy than the Fusion - do you? "

    No, I meant the 2010 Prius will be roomier (slightly) than the previous 2009 Prius, meaning it will get into the range of acceptable interior dimensions for more people. The Fusion is roomier than either the '09 or '10 Prius. In fact, the 2010 Fusion will grow slightly, although I'm not sure by how much.

    Here is one comparison that favors Prius: 50 MPG for '10 Prius, and 40 MPG for '10 Fusion Hybrid.

    I did an interior dimensions comparison between the '09 Prius and '09 Fusion just to see how close the jelly-bean shape of the Prius gets to the conventional layout of the Fusion (Note: front Hip Room is the most important to get a roomy feeling, so its in bold letters below.):

    2009 Prius (2010 model will expand by about 1" in most measurements.):
    Interior
    Front Head Room: 39.1 in. Front Hip Room: 51 in.
    Front Shoulder Room: 55 in. Rear Head Room: 37.3 in.
    Rear Shoulder Room: 52.9 in. Rear Hip Room: 51.6 in.
    Front Leg Room: 41.9 in. Rear Leg Room: 38.6 in.
    Luggage Capacity: 14.4 cu. ft. Maximum Seating: 5

    2009 Ford Fusion:
    Interior
    Front Head Room: 38.7 in. Front Hip Room: 54 in.
    Front Shoulder Room: 57.4 in. Rear Head Room: 37.8 in.
    Rear Shoulder Room: 56.5 in. Rear Hip Room: 53.3 in.
    Front Leg Room: 42.3 in. Rear Leg Room: 37.2 in.
    Luggage Capacity: 15.8 cu. ft. Maximum Seating: 5

    Either hybrid vehicle would be especially great as taxi cabs, where high usage and city driving really make the MPG figures save a bunch of money. The Ford Escape already is used a lot as a taxi, and the 2010 Fusion hybrid should make a great taxi with better MPG, and the new Fusion will be just as big inside as the Escape, although without as big of a luggage capacity.

    '09 Ford Escape Hybrid:
    Interior
    Front Head Room: 40.4 in. Front Hip Room: 53.3 in.
    Front Shoulder Room: 56.6 in. Rear Head Room: 39.2 in.
    Rear Shoulder Room: 55.9 in. Rear Hip Room: 49.1 in.
    Front Leg Room: 41.6 in. Rear Leg Room: 35.6 in.
    Luggage Capacity: 29.2 cu. ft. Maximum Cargo Capacity: 66 cu. ft.
    Maximum Seating: 5

    I was surprised how the front hip room of the Fusion is better than the boxy Escape's!
  • texasestexases Posts: 5,533
    Thanks for the info! My brother has a Prius, loves it, gets about 48 mpg in his commute. I've been seriously considering the Camry hybrid, but the CD article has me interested in the Fusion hybrid. Problem might be the Ford dealers wanting to get some extra $$ for it. We'll see.
  • iwant12iwant12 Posts: 269
    Do you know if the '10 Fusion will be built in Mexico like the '09s?
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,669
    Yes. CD3 production is still in Hermosillo. The Fusion is also exported to South America and Ford can export from Mexico with no tariffs. Exporting from US to SA carries high tariffs.

    If they get sales high enough to warrant another plant I'm sure it will be in the U.S.
  • Markets are small in S. America. Not much money down there. The kinds of cars that do well there are minimal vehicles, built without emissions and safety standards that the Fusion has. Therefore, the Fusion is just not selling well in S. America.

    Whats funny is that I can buy a Sonata, made in the USA, whereas if I buy a Ford Fusion, its made in a foreign country. Weird.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,669
    If Ford was allowed to build cars in the U.S. the way Hyundai does (and all the other imports) then there would be more U.S. production. But they can't, and I don't want to get started on the reasons why.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,669
    I also wanted to point out that the 2010 Fusion uses NO Toyota licensed patents - none. The Escape only used 22 out of hundreds anyway, but they've redone whatever was infringing on the Toyota patents.

    So no more "they bought it from Toyota" crap. Cause if they did then it would only get 33/34 mpg just like the Camry.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,896
    So no more "they bought it from Toyota" crap. Cause if they did then it would only get 33/34 mpg just like the Camry.

    It is good to see Ford doing some innovation that leapfrogs the Imports. It may be what they need to keep out of Bankruptcy.
  • They make the Fusion in Mexico to avoid the UAW. The Japanese automakers open their plants in right to work states and avoid labor unions taking hold in the first place. The US makers get knocked around by the union when they try and step out of line, example GM and their Saturn plant. US makers are better off importing their own cars. You know, there used to be one brakeman for each rail car on a train. Those jobs went away too because a more efficient means of completing the work was invented. You know, like the cotton gin etc. Teach your kids to do something new auto workers, your compensation is out of line with your skill (mostly). Thanks, The Management
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    Yes for the present the FFH has the lead by a good margin in the FE race for the midsized autos. It's a great step and good timing by Ford.

    Now the ball is in Toyota's court to respond. We all benefit by this. Thanks Ford.
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