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If the vast majority on this forum are interested in the potential purchase of this vehicle then PLEASE let us know what your experience is with the 2011 Sonata!!
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The other thing about having the Sonata being classed as a sport sedan is the suspension/steering. I don't think they are there yet. They probably will get there but I think that is where they could show some improvement.
25k, not 26k. You also have to factor in that "turbo" can mean SE turbo or Limited Turbo. So yes 4k from a SE turbo to a Limited Turbo with everything I suppose is right.
Finally, it's not just the turbo you get. You're also getting, in the limited anyway:
"a panoramic sunroof, 18-inch "hyper" silver alloy wheels, dual exhaust system and steering wheel-mounted paddle shifters."
Limited Turbo
I was not comparing the price of an SE to a Limited.
Here's a new blurb and movie clip by Consumer Reports. They seem to like the car a lot.
http://blogs.consumerreports.org/cars/2010/06/test-complete-2011-hyundai-sonata.- html
I believe the 2011 Sonata is a complete redesign and rebuild and wondered if recent owners would comment on the suspension and NVH. My Sable with 143k on the odometer and with two broken rear coil springs and (no doubt) wasted struts still gives a more compliant ride and feels more settled than the 2010 GLS.
The dealer told me that all the foreign midsized cars are suspended relatively loosely and that domestics are tuned to be quiet and absorb the high frequency noise and vibrations.
I would appreciate opinions from new owners about the suspension characteristics of their 2011 Sonatas. I appreciate that the SE is purposely "sporty" so I am inquiring about the 2011 GLS and Limited.
The Sonata turbo won't be much more expensive than standard Sonatas, he notes. The new Sonata carries a base price of about $20,000, which rises to about $26,000 in the Limited edition. The Sonata 2.0T Turbo will range from about $26,000 to just under $30,000 in Limited form, he says.
What I'm saying is Turbo comes in 2 flavors, SE and Limited. As far as I know anyway. So I'm guessing that last sentence could mean "The Sonata 2.0T Turbo will range from about $26,000 in SE trim with no Nav, to just under 30,000 in Limited form, he says"
I could be wrong, I'm just theorizing.
Now, add NAV to the turbo Limited and you're pushing $32k before TTL. That's more than the G25 is going to be and the Regal CXL with the 225hp engine. Realize both are not direct competitors and the hp/mpg isn't as strong but they are both going to be very nice automobiles and will compete in my world.
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Craig
The clock looks to be the same technology but is not affected the same way.
Current 2011 Limited (no Turbo) w/OUT NAV: $26,015
Current 2011 Limited (no Turbo) WITH NAV: $28,115
If Hyundai adds as much as $3000 (I'm hoping for only $2000) for the turbo upgrade, that would mean...
NEW 2011 Limited TURBO w/OUT NAV: $29,015
NEW 2011 Limited TURBO WITH NAV: $31,115
These are full sticker prices.
One competitor: 2010 Honda Accord Sedan EX-L V6:
NO NAV: $29,580
With NAV: $31,855
This means Hyundai's pricing would be right in line with Honda.
Thoughts?
Thanks.
Dealer's internet price for a fully loaded new 2010 Azera was 27K in my area when I bought my Sonata.
So you need to add $476 for a backup camera and $513 for a backup sensor.
Limited Turbo : $31,115 (if Hyundai adds only $3,000 for the turbo & other add-on upgrade)
vs
Accord : $32,843 (if their price on new 2011 model stay the same)
2011 Sonata is a wonderful car and CR did a comparison with other vehicles rates them as no. 2 on their list of best midsize cars after Altima, based on performance, safety, value and reliability. Since CR is ad. free its less influenced by adv. dollars like other auto magazines. Another good source is JD Powers initial and 3 year old model survey. No data on 2011 Sonata there either.
CR rates Honda as most reliable brand name and Accord has the best resale of all the midsize cars. Due to heavy factory to dealer incentive besides 1200 rebates, the Accords are being marked off by 2k to 2500 k off invoice! You can get LX-P 4cyl Accord sedan with AT for 19500-19,800 (destination included) plus TTL. Add invoice value to each upgrade package, so EX will be for 1600 -1700 more!
I've seen many, many people make this statement and I have once had anyone prove it or provide information to back it up other than "well, they take advertising dollars so they must phony up their reviews" or "they didn't agree with me so they must be on the take".
I'm not naive enuought to think that it's not possible(live in the Chicago area) but these mags have reputations to maintain. How many people have worked for them over the years and nobody has "confessed" to slanting a story because a manufacturer was a big advertiser. These mags take ad dollars from just about every manufacturer so how would they decide who to favor unless there was huge payoffs.
I just wish people would stop saying unless they can actually prove it.
http://www.autoblog.com/2010/06/23/hyundai-new-2-0-turbo-hits-60-in-6-5-seconds-- - returns-34-mpg-hi/
I also believe the 270HP Accord is priced around $36,000
Honda V6: 271 hp Torque: 254 ft-lbs.
Hyundai Turbo: 274HP and 269 lb-ft of torque
You most certainly can compare them.
Next time someone tells you that ask them how much money CR spends in testing, gathering information, compiling information, writing reviews, laying out each issue, printing each issue and distribution costs. Then add in all the costs of the support (clerks, accountants, lawyers, custodians, receptionists and the like) and ask them if the $2-3 an issue CR charges covers all those costs.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
What have you been smoking? The Acura TL is priced less than that and has 280hp and the base G37 with 328hp is priced at about $34115!
I don't think there is a Honda made in the size and performance of the 2011 Sonata for the same price. However price was not the reason for my selection. In my opinion the styling of the new Sonata is much more appealing than the accord and the warranty is better than both Honda and Nissan.
I even considered the Ford Fusion but again price was much higher for a less dramatic body style.
Try this webpage:
http://www.edmunds.com/new/2010/honda/accord/101201282/compare.html
Add Extended warranty.
Add NY tax and tags.
I have drove both the Maxima SV with premium package and the Sonata Limited. The Maxima is superior in every aspect. Adding the turbo is not going change that. Street prices for a loaded Sonata Turbo and a loaded Maxima will be not be that different. The extra grand or two for the Maxima is worth it. The Sonata turbo needs to be priced lower.
2) Hyundai's Sonata turbo produces its peak torque of 269 lb ft from 1800rpm to 4400 rpm.
Honda's V6's peak torque of 254 lb ft is produced @ 5000 rpm.
You need to rev crap out of the V6 to even get close to what the Sonata is producing at only 1800rpm.
You will IMMEDIATELY notice the power difference on the Sonata. 269 lb ft of torque is enough to throw you back in your seats
Have you shopped for a Honda recently? Knock off the wise cracks. I'm a professional educated person and I know what I'm buying and speaking of. You don't have to like the Sonata or Hyundai corporation but give them their worth when they deserve it.
Don't forget to add the extended warranty to compare the Honda to the Hyundai. You cannot buy an Accord/Altima with 10 yr warranty in the class of the Sonata SE for less than $29k plus sales tax.
Not to mention my Sonata is a 2011 vs 2010, Better styling, and roomier. My car turns heads everywhere I go. My neighbors Accord looks similar to the 2006 Sonata I previously owned.