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2011 Hyundai Sonata

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  • schdyschdy Posts: 233
    I did both. However the Dealer did say wait another 2 weeks and give him another call. I'm due for an oil change in Nov so I'll follow up then unless I receive a notice from Hyundai.
  • rysterryster Posts: 476
    Automakers frequently give their vehicles different names in different markets. Sonata is the name used by Hyundai for this car in North America. "i45" is used in Australia.

    With the Sonata being one of Hyundai's most popular cars in the USA, it would be very surprising (and a marketing mistake) for them to rename it as an i45 here.

    Incidentally, on Hyundai's "worldwide" site it is still listed as the Sonata.
  • denp3denp3 Posts: 99
    edited October 2010
    Mine was built in March and it is scheduled with the dealer tomorrow for the recall, Monday, October 4th.
    I did run it on your the CarFax link and came up as one in the recall.
    Maybe the SE is not one in the recall. I have a Limited.
  • jlflemmonsjlflemmons Posts: 2,240
    Very unlikely a chain oil change outfit would have the Hyundai brand.

    Have you checked to see if your dealer offers discount oil changes for customers? Mine does, and it is less than the franchise shops around town.
  • ttbttb Posts: 40
    Are the new Buick Regal and the new Sonata comparable?
    They both have a base 4 and a turbo 4.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,695
    You can compare just about anything. ;-) Sonata has more power in both types of engines. I think it's bigger inside also. And it will offer a hybrid soon. Another big difference is, for now at least, the Regal comes only in premium trim, which means its starting price is a lot more than the Sonata's. Also the Regal CXL with a moonroof is $28k, and $30.5k with the turbo and moonroof--about $2000 more than the Sonata Limited. Note that for that kind of money, you could get a Genesis 3.8 after available discounts.
  • Very unlikely a chain oil change outfit would have the Hyundai brand.

    Have you checked to see if your dealer offers discount oil changes for customers? Mine does, and it is less than the franchise shops around town.


    Okay, thanks for that info. I purchased my Sonata from an out-of-state dealer and the closest one to me is still quite a ways out. Perhaps I should just buy a filter and keep it handy....
  • rexgrexg Posts: 27
    edited October 2010
    I too was interested in the Regal, but I chose a Sonata SE for the following reasons:

    1. The Sonata is much cheaper.
    2. The Sonata gets significantly better gas mileage.
    3. The Sonats has more power. (The non-turbo Regal reportedly lacks sufficient power.)
    4. The Sonata weighs much less. The Regal is designed to accommodate a V6 and it is, in my opinion, overweight at 3600+ lbs.
    5. One thing I dislike about FWD cars is excessive font-end overhang. To my eye, the Sonata has less overhang than cars designed to accommodate a V6 (including the Regal).
    5. I love the [somewhat overdone] chrome exhaust tips on my SE. The non-turbo Regal has frumpy hidden exhaust tips.

    Don't get me wrong. I think that GM is producing some nice cars these days and I hope they survive and prosper. But the Sonata just made more sense to me.
  • Hopefully you can get this fixed. Prior to my second trip to the dealership, I had posted a message on the Hyundai ThinkTank board (an owners board you can get to with your VIN). It was a bit harsh, but nevertheless, I received a phone call from Hyundai Motors America within 24 hours apologizing, asking me to go to the dealership and promising a loaner. Interesting, my stability control light had come on once over the weekend (between trips to the dealer). That provided the easy error code to replace the brake lamp switch (essentially the switch that tells the car's computer when your foot is on the brake). Absent that coming on, they may have had to hold it a couple days to duplicate the non-starting problem. The dealer held it for another day just to check on it and, almost a week later now, no problems.

    Long story short, sounds like a simple glitch, though it was a nerve-wracking couple weeks before this was fixed. While it could have been handled a little better the first time in, HMA and the dealer did what they could to remedy the issue. This is the fourth Hyundai in our family and the first problem we've had, so I'm willing to roll with it as part of buying a very early version of a completely new model.
  • While posting the message above, I had to add this in: if you are debating if you need the i-Pod cable or haven't bought it yet and were trying your own, spend the $35 and buy the Hyundai one. I thought the price was high and was making do for the last 6 months with an old radio transmitter thing and frankly, was concerned my 2006 i-Pod wouldn't be compatible. It is. And the cable is worth it. I don't know how in the world a cable can be that specific to functionality, but it is.
  • denp3denp3 Posts: 99
    edited October 2010
    I had my Limited in for the recall today. I asked about the software update and like everyone says, there is not much info. The service manager said it is an update to the steering module, paperwork said re program MDPS. (Which I found out means Motor Driven Power Steering) The steering seems like it might be a little bit tighter, but not sure. I wish we could find out just what it does.
  • bucwildbucwild Posts: 16
    Has there been a release date announce for the 2.0t? I know pricing is out but when will they hit dealers
  • Turbo should be in dealers by the last week in October. USA Today had a good article on it today.

    http://content.usatoday.com/communities/driveon/post/2010/10/hyundai-prices-turb- o-versions-of-hot-sonata-sedan/1
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,851
    I sure don't want to discourage conversation, but we still have a lot of members new to these forums, or new to Sonata shopping, that I would prefer to leave this discussion for ownership comments and answering questions of prospective buyers. atlanticone has been kind enough to start a discussion about the Sonata Turbo Edition pricing, so it'd be fab if folks could discuss the upcoming turbo over there. Thanks!

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  • jlflemmonsjlflemmons Posts: 2,240
    My dealer discounts the oil filters when purchased in lots of 10. I know for most folks that makes no sense, but with two Hyundai products using the same filter, and oil changes ever 3 months (lots of miles), it made good sense. I think the regular price is around $6?
  • Was able to finally get the car started and drove it to the dealer yesterday morning. When I pulled in and told the service rep about the problem, he immediately said, "I haven't seen this yet, but I've heard about it. We need to replace the brake sensor switch."

    Apparently, this issue is a known issue.

    FYI ... I haven't tried this, but according to the service tech, holding down the start button for around 30 seconds will eventually start the vehicle. So, if you experience the problem above, there is a way to over-ride the brake sensor.
  • Ken Thomas

    WASHINGTON — The Associated Press Published on Tuesday, Oct. 05, 2010 12:35PM EDT Last updated on Tuesday, Oct. 05, 2010 2:19PM EDT

    No more grade inflation for new cars and trucks

    The U.S. Transportation Department outlined changes Tuesday to the government's 5-Star Safety Rating System that will make it more difficult for new cars and trucks to earn top scores.

    Only two of the first 34 vehicles tested under the new program — the 2011 BMW 5 Series and a version of the 2011 Hyundai Sonata — received the top grade of five stars. The Toyota Camry, the best-selling passenger car in the United States, received three stars.

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    The ratings range from one to five stars, with five stars being the highest and one star being the lowest.

    The so-called “Stars on Cars” system, which evaluates vehicles on front-end and side-impact crashes and rollovers, was started in 1979 and has helped generate interest in safety equipment such as side-impact air bags and anti-rollover technology. But the program is being revamped for the 2011 model year because so many vehicles were receiving top marks under the old system, making it difficult to distinguish the best performers.

    Typically, more than 90 per cent of the vehicles tested under the old system earned four or five stars. In 1979, less than 30 per cent received four or five stars.

    “More stars equal safer cars,” said Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood. “Through new tests, better crash data and higher standards, we are making the safety ratings tougher and more meaningful for consumers.”

    LaHood said the new rating system will encourage auto makers to install crash avoidance technologies and will help car shoppers “navigate a crowded marketplace with trustworthy and objective safety analysis.”

    The new system adds an overall score, uses different sized test dummies and takes into account crash-prevention technologies and a new test that simulates a car striking a pole or a tree. The overall score combines the results of front, side and rollover tests and compares those results with average risk of injury and the potential for vehicle rollover of other vehicles.

    Consumers will not be able to compare a score of a new 2011 model year vehicle with that of a 2010 model year vehicle because of the new test criteria. The window sticker attached to vehicles in dealership lots will need to be redesigned and will not include the overall score until the 2012 model year. Vehicles that have not been tested will be listed initially as “not rated.”

    In the latest testing, most of the 34 vehicles reviewed received an overall score of four out of five stars. The 2011 Nissan Versa got two stars while hybrid and conventional versions of the Toyota Camry received three stars. Another 21 vehicles will be tested later this year.

    The Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers, which represents General Motors, Toyota, Ford and other auto companies, said the changes will mean the ratings found on new car labels will probably go down, even in cases where there have been no significant changes to the vehicle.

    Mike Stanton, president of the Association of International Automobile Manufacturers, which represents Toyota, Honda, Nissan and others, said car makers had been concerned about confusion over the new grading system. But he expected consumers to embrace the changes.

    “Everybody knows that vehicles are very, very safe today so it's a degree of how safe and what's the new technologies and hopefully this will take hold as people pay attention,” Stanton said.
  • jsmit86jsmit86 Posts: 116
    Quoting avid2000 ....according to the service tech, holding down the start button for around 30 seconds will eventually start the vehicle. ...

    I can confirm that this works. I tried it this morning. I had the brake pedal sensor switch issue last summer. Since the fix, no issues.
  • schdyschdy Posts: 233
    Went to my Dealer today for oil change on my 2006 Elantra. I asked if my 2011 Sonata was listed for recall and he said yes. He said so far they only found 2 cars that required tightening of bolts . He suggested I have my recall attended to when I have my first oil change in November. He said it takes approx 1/2 hr for the recall portion.
  • rsaksrsaks Posts: 1
    If you type in "qualified hybrid vehicles" in the IRS's website search, you are led to a page which shows which vehicles currently qualify for a Federal Tax Credit by model year. When you look at 2011 vehicles, ony BMW, Mercedes and Nissan vehicles are shown to qualify. No Hyundai Sonata hybrid. I contacted the IRS yesterday to see if there was some mistake. They said that the Sonata does not currently qualify, but to keep checking back.The website was last updated September 29th. They also said that the manufacturer is the one to certify that a vehicle qualifies. Didn't know that. So as it stands, no tax credit for the Sonata hybrid. I was surprised.
  • nj2pa2ncnj2pa2nc Posts: 813
    maybe they are waiting until they after they start selling the sonata hybrid. You never know there might be a holdup of some kind and it becomes the 2012 sonata hybrid before it starts to be sold.
  • prigglypriggly Posts: 642
    I prefer the Buick Regal Turbo to the Sonata Turbo for the following reasons:

    1. The Buick is more refined.
    2. The Buick has a quieter ride with less N/V/H.
    3. The Buick's interior is more upscale and ergonomically superior.
    4. The Buick has a superior audio system.
    5. The Buick has H.I.D. Xenon headlamps.
    6. The Buick has a larger dealer network.
    7. The Buick is a premium brand.
    8. The Buick has a superior ride quality.

    Mind you, the Sonata is still nice and is cheaper but I find that in this segment you get what you pay for.
  • So let's say the Sonata 2.0T Limited gets in right at $30k. A comparably equipped Regal turbo (I think the TO4 package looks right) comes in at $34k, so about a 13% premium.

    For me, I'd take the Sonata based on price, power and size. HP / torque for the Sonata is 274 / 269 compared to 220 / 258 for the Regal. Total headroom & legroom front / rear is 85.5 / 72.4 for the Sonata and 80.0 / 74.1 for the Regal. Call me selfish, but I'll take the added room up front (at 6'5" that's a must). Add in projected fuel economy of 22/33 for the Sonata and 19/30 for the Regal, and the dollars add up.

    All that said, I do agree with the "refined" argument all around (road noise, suspension, ergonomics). I drive a Sonata and while it's perfectly nice, it's in the Accord / Camry class. Buick aims to punch in the Lexus class, and from the looks of the Regal in pictures and from sitting in a Lacrosse, I think they're there.

    To me, the dealer argument is loose, at best, and I'm not sure the Buick image / name is more or less desirable than Hyundai (just saying, both have to overcome 20 years of under-performance), so the question is "is the price worth the extra comfort?"

    I do think both cars are actually great options. Frankly, it feels like more and more, "bad" options are far few in between. I think this comes down to what is YOUR driving priority. For me, space / price trumps refinement. If you choose refinement and "feel," well, that's your preference and a perfectly respectable one. I'm pretty sure I'd be happy driving either.
  • sandman_6472sandman_6472 Coral Springs, FLPosts: 2,640
    This is something that's subjective, not a fact. Why do folks insist that their opinion or that of others is fact...it's just "personal opinion". Nothing more, nothing less... so each car is different for different people...all comes down to personal opinion. One's opinion is no better/worse than someone else's. But what is better for "you" based on your particular preferences.

    Just got home from the Nissan shop to get some warranty work done and finally got to sit in the Rogue and a Sentra, both 2011's. Both good cars, but I prefer my Civic and liked the CRV better. I'm sure most would say the Civic & Rogue are better cars...personal opinion. And in the end only "1" opinion matters...MINE! End of story!

    The Sandman :sick: :shades:

    2014 Hyundai Tuscon SE/2005 Mazda 3s/2008 Hyundai Accent GLS/2009 Nissan Versa SL hatch

  • My personal opinion is somewhat based on the technology reviews for this newer model due soon. (I hope) In any case it is MY choice for my next new car. The Buick, Ford, Toyota and other Hybrid's do not appear to have the technical advantage here. Hyundai appears to be the clear winner. I will wait for 3-six months after release to purchase. :-)

    I am the proud owner of a 2002 Maxima with 88K miles which was and is an amazing automobile!
  • prigglypriggly Posts: 642
    To me, the dealer argument is loose, at best

    Actually, is is not so "loose."

    Break down in your new Sonata in, say, Cody, WY and you are in for a 92 mile tow whereas if you break down in your new Regal, the nearest Buick dealer is around the block.
  • cincyhoyacincyhoya Posts: 10
    edited October 2010
    Well - can't argue with that. Geography certainly matters, absolutely. In fairness, I guess you'd have to say the same thing about Audi or other brands you might not find before you get to Bozeman or Billings. But point taken - that's certainly something you'd need to consider

    It's funny, between my wife and I, we've owned 5 new cars (2000 Focus, 2003 Liberty, 2005 Hyundai Elentra GT, 2007 Hyundai Santa Fe and 2011 Hyundai Sonata) and have never had a dealership experience we really liked (cars purchased in Cincinnati OH, Greenbelt MD, Alexandria VA, and the last two in Fairfield OH). I don't know if it's an age thing (we're both 32), a lack of trust, or what, but I always feel like dealerships scream rip-off at every corner. I'd guess it would only take one really good relationship to change my mind, but I still come back to the dealer point is pretty personal.

    Priggly - do you drive a Buick or have you? How have your dealership experiences been? Just curious - maybe it's a geography thing or maybe it's a brand thing. I'm actually interested in this because my wife and I both agree that we could see moving up to an Enclave and Lacrosse, respectively, next time around. Buick's doing some great things design wise and certainly has my interest - the price tag isn't quite right just yet.
  • prigglypriggly Posts: 642
    32, eh??! Makes me feel old! I have been buying new cars since 1977 and have owned one or more cars from most mainstream manufacturers from Audi to VW.

    During the 70s to the end of the last century I only owned only two cars from a domestic maker and that was GM (1979 Chevrolet Caprice Classic and 1985 Chevrolet Cavalier). The reason was that virtually all the offerings of the domestic makers during the period stated were literally junk. If you wanted quality you had to go import. [That is also how I know that the dealer network is important. I needed urgent repairs on a 1984 BMW 533i in 1985 and really had to hunt for a dealer. Fortunately, I was not too far from a major city in the mid-South and so it was not too much of a bother but had I been in northern WY I would have been out of luck!]

    That has all changed now. Since the beginning of this century the Big Three, all three of them, have been offering increasingly better cars and SUVs and the offerings of the imports have been deteriorating. In my opinion and based upon three and one-half decades of buying and enthusiastically following cars, the domestics now offer the best combination of quality, features, value and practicality.

    As far as dealership experiences are concerned, I have had good and bad experiences at both import and domestic dealerships in different parts of both the U.S. and Canada. It is not possible, at least based on my experiences, to make generalizations with the possible exception that if the car is a so-called exclusive or high-dollar brand, such as BMW, the service experience may be a bit more upscale (and so is the cost) but that is not a given.

    Of the two vehicles I currently own, a 1997 Subaru Outback and a 2006 Chevrolet Impala SS, the Chevy has proven to be the more reliable car and the dealer experiences have been superior overall although that statement must be qualified by the fact that I have had far more exposure to Subaru dealerships than Chevy dealerships as I have owned the Subaru for nine more years. I would also point out that I have had fewer, far fewer problems with the Chevy during its first four years than with the Subaru during its first four years.

    Although I have not yet owned a Buick, I have been following their quality development for the last decade quite closely and their product offerings have unquestionably been getting better and better. The new LaCrosse and Regal are both forces to be reckoned with and I would have absolutely no reservations owning either. Their reliability ratings now equal or exceed those of Lexus.

    http://www.jdpower.com/autos/ratings/dependability-ratings-by-brand/

    The Buick price is a bit higher than some but is generally less than others considered premium brands.

    GM, Ford and Chrysler are definitely all on the right track now and that is good for the domestic producers and buyers alike.
  • nj2pa2ncnj2pa2nc Posts: 813
    We used to have the same feeling about getting car service at dealerships-ripoff. That all changed when we bought a 03 sonata in Nov. 02. The car had less than 100 miles on it when the transmission locked up. We drove it back to the dealer very slowly. The service advisor (he only started there a few weeks before) was great and went out of his way to be helpful. Long story-made short-the transmission was changed. It is now almost 8 years later-that advisor is now the service manager. We have moved to NC but did buy our '11 sonata from this dealer and still try to have our car serviced there. The dealer is in PA.
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