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Toyota Corolla Electric-Assist Power Steering (EPS)

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  • sjareasjarea Member Posts: 49
    A little off topic but...

    Biff - I hear ya. I would say my opinion so far is neutral on the car (had it 6mos and put 2K on it so far).

    One thing I have changed is my City driving style. When I am going local (mostly 35 or 40MPH roads...basically if I know I m not going to go over 50MPH) I put it in 3 instead of "D" drive. The RPM's kick up a bit and I may not get the best mileage I could, but I like having the RPMS up a little more and for me it makes it a little better experience when driving it IMO. This is just a suggestion and will certainly not cure your ills, but again it seems to me to make it a little better experience in and around town. You might want to try it. Otherwise, it does sound like you're not happy and probably should get rid of it when you can.

    If I know I am going to hit the expressway/highway/freeway I dump into D.
  • sjareasjarea Member Posts: 49
    edited September 2010
    Pekelvr - They have not. However, I already took it in at about 800 miles in regards to this EPS issue (at the time there was no TSB out) and they performed an alignment then so it should be OK. It checked out OK at 800 miles. Based on the TSB they should also check it again. I will let you know what I find when I get it back.
  • terceltomterceltom Member Posts: 1,024
    Yeah, I gotta agree! Someone who hates driving the new Corolla as much as he does should definetly dump it.
  • terceltomterceltom Member Posts: 1,024
    Yea, I agree Biff, moving on would be in your best interest. If you stay on this thread your going to pop a blood vessel or something trying to bash the Toyota Corolla.
  • terceltomterceltom Member Posts: 1,024
    edited September 2010
    How can Toyota fix your EPS problems when I'm almost certain 2008 Corollas were never even manufactred with EPS? (Fact #5). You've been called on this and reminded several times on this thread and you continue to ignore this fact or even address it ! ! ! ! What am I missing here ?
  • thegraduatethegraduate Member Posts: 9,731
    edited September 2010
    Recalls usually affect vehicles from certain VINs/Build Dates. Perhaps that's what they meant? 2009 Corollas went on sale in 2008, right?

    You're correct, no EPS Corollas were made for 2008 models. They had numb steering with a hydraulic setup without the help of EPS. :sick:
  • sjareasjarea Member Posts: 49
    edited September 2010
    So, it seems that it was not my tire pressure, alignment or the need for me to adjust to EPS. Funny thing every time I took it in none of the service managers had heard about the issue either. The TSB seems to have work for me. For now....Some parting shots before I go.

    Sometimes the process/system from start to finish is frustrating. But, when you arrive on your jurisdiction you can look back, smile and tell the process/system - Bite me. From the little guy.

    I guess being a squeaky wheel sometimes pay off is some grease. Speaking of which I still need to reply to the NTHSA e-mail I got awhile back with some survey thingy asking me about my filed complaint on this issue. Again, I plan to test drive the the car for a bit more just to make sure. But, I suppose if Toyota wanted me to speed up the process and you know, maybe, put in a good word or two back to the NHTSA in my response they can send me some grease at sjarea's vacation fund, PO Box Squeak Squeak......just kidding.

    Thanks to edmunds for hosting, moderating, etc. I may pop back in once to or twice to see what is happening here, but I am glad to say it seems like this is one thread I no longer need to following.
  • terceltomterceltom Member Posts: 1,024
    Really don't think it was an "us versus them" thing. If you're an unhappy Toyota owner they would never sell you another car would they? So I'm sure they were trying their utmost to try to make you a satisfied Toyota customer.
  • jersey027jersey027 Member Posts: 7
    Yes I did have my steering computer changed and it gave no change at all. I had my car back to th dealer 5 attemps and 1 final inspection because I have filed complaints with the Attorney Generals Office here in Jersey. I had my hearing yesterday and before a trial the Attorney and field technical specialist from Toyota made an offer to settle with me, there 1st offer would exstend my warranty for bumber to bumber for 100,000 miles and make 2 payments for me, i declined and told them i need $3000 to put down to buy another car. We met at $2500 back to me so i can get out of this unsafe car that has major defects and mass recalls to come and possibly more deaths. :lemon:
  • terceltomterceltom Member Posts: 1,024
    Interesting, I guess they don't have too much confidence in their "fix" if all they could offer is to extend your warranty for your Corolla. How does that help your problem? On the other hand, not sure what deaths your referring to. I don't believe there are any more deaths with Toyota Corollas that any other new model car. It's just amazing how this EPS problem is so isolated. Some, like myself, have no problem whatsoever while others seem to have major problems.
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Administrator Posts: 11,147
    The isolation of the problem isn't a big surprise. I see this all over the place with a variety of makes/models. For example, I've got a 2003 Infiniti G35. I see a bunch of owners complaining about an issue that causes the audio system not to work & the a/c to blow continuously (simultaneously). While I seem to have the exact same audio system, I've had zero issues, and neither have a few other owners that I know outside of Edmunds. Same thing we saw with the "sludge" issue a few years ago. I can't recall an issue that was so pervasive as to affect the majority, rather than the minority, of owners of a particular make/model.

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  • terceltomterceltom Member Posts: 1,024
    Yea, good point! I guess there are some variables that can cause problems with some cars and not others of the same model.
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    edited September 2010
    I can't recall an issue that was so pervasive as to affect the majority, rather than the minority, of owners of a particular make/model.

    Your use of the word "recall" was appropriate. Don't you recall all the recent recalls Toyota made, which certainly affected the majority of owners of particular makes/models? There have been many other examples of pervasive problems, e.g. Honda's recall of ALL Hondas and Acuras made between 1986-1991 for a seat belt problem; the recall of ALL VWs made between 1949-69 for a windshield wiper problem; GM's recall of ALL 1971-73 full-sized cars because the bodies tended to scrape the ground causing jammed steering; Ford's recall of ALL 1970-71 Fords, Lincolns, and Mercuries (safety belts); Ford's recall in 2005 and 2009 for 4.5 million vehicles (cruise control); and there's many other big recalls affecting all or most owners of a particular make/model.

    It happens.
  • terceltomterceltom Member Posts: 1,024
    edited September 2010
    But there is not a recall for the EPS steering issue and it certainly is not affecting the "majority" of "09"/"10" Corolla owners.
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    That wasn't the point I was replying to.

    But since you brought it up... although there is no official recall for the EPS issue, there is a service action by Toyota to address it. How many cars are affected by that action by Toyota? Since it's not a recall, it's hard to know for sure.
  • pekelvrpekelvr Member Posts: 61
    I beg to differ. The recall publicly is in the works.....and if you call Toyota and state you have a problem keeping the car centered...and tell them your car meanders...they will or "should let you know about the EPS issue and that the modules are defective. Thats fact and I can testify to it. Toyota says they have a fix for the EPS issues and perhaps this is why its not in recall. I would gather things get recall status when the car is involved in accidents...but if not they just repair with the new module. :shades:
  • pekelvrpekelvr Member Posts: 61
    http://pressroom.toyota.com/pr/tms/toyota/document/2009VDIM_r.pdf

    Toyotas press room release! Call Toyota experience line
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Administrator Posts: 11,147
    I guess I meant a recall issue, in which the majority of owners experienced symptoms or issues related to the recall. Yes, in MANY cases, the entirety of a model year for a particular make/model will be recalled for a potential issue. For example, I remember having had a minivan years ago, and all of those minivans were recalled for a potential rear door latch defect, and all of the rear door latches were replaced.

    However, the number of people who actually experienced any symptoms caused by the potential defect was quite low. Manufacturers recall vehicles often on speculation that a particular part *might* malfunction based on a statistically relevant sample size indicating that a problem exists (a practice with which I agree). I don't think for a moment that if Chrysler hadn't recalled all of the minivans for the rear door latch issue that a majority of Chrysler minivan owners would've had the rear door latch fail.

    That is what I meant by the "majority being affected" - while they may be part of a recall campaign, I still stand by my statement that I have yet to see a specific vehicle-related issue that is actually being experienced by a majority of owners.

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  • terceltomterceltom Member Posts: 1,024
    The small number of owners affected by this supposed EPS problem is so minimal that you will never see a recall.
  • terceltomterceltom Member Posts: 1,024
    And the reason for posting this link about Lexus, Camry Hybrids and Highlander Hybrids is ? ? ? ? ? ?
  • thegraduatethegraduate Member Posts: 9,731
    The small number of owners affected by this supposed EPS problem is so minimal that you will never see a recall.

    Belittling posters who have issues (and I think everyone here grants that it isn't EVERYONE having true "problems") by insinuating they don't have any problems doesn't help them feel better.

    Hyundai has just recalled 2011 Sonatas for a steering issue that hasn't caused any accidents, and has only been reported/documented by 10 owners out of 130k+ vehicles. Toyota wouldn't do the same? I think it'd be in their best interest to do so if a fix is helping those with the problems -- not alleged problems; problems.
  • terceltomterceltom Member Posts: 1,024
    I agree 100%, I don't really believe anyone taking the time to post on this thread would be wasting their time by manufacturing a make believe problem. I would hope we are all adults and would be honest about our Corolla ownership experiences.
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    OK, then. I thought a recent example was the accelerator pedal fix on late-model Toyotas; from the reports I read, it looked like most if not all recalled cars actually got the fix. But I agree on most recalls, only some of the recalled vehicles actually have a problem.
  • terceltomterceltom Member Posts: 1,024
    edited September 2010
    Well I think your making her point exactly as she stated in post #439. Only a very few 2009 model Corollas experienced "sudden acceleration" as reported by the media, but all 2009's were recalled for the pedal/carpet fix as a preventative measure.
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    Exactly. All owners of 2009 Corollas were affected by the recall; all of them had a fix made to their cars. Good example of a recall that affected most/all owners of a model. In most recalls, many cars might be recalled but only a few are actually repaired/adjusted.
  • terceltomterceltom Member Posts: 1,024
    edited September 2010
    Your misunderstanding the point trying to be made. I believe post #439 is referring to the problem affecting few cars of a particular year or model recalled, not the recall itself. In the example of the minivan as she uses it. All were recalled, but only a few would have ever had the door problem. Nuff said ! It doesn't really matter.
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    I have my understanding, you have yours. And Kirstie has hers.
  • terceltomterceltom Member Posts: 1,024
    Okay!
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Administrator Posts: 11,147
    For the record, Tom interpreted my point accurately.

    Let's say Toyota does recall 2009 Corollas to implement a steering fix. They will likely recall all vehicles of that model year, even though only a tiny minority are experiencing problems. That's my point - there has not been, to my knowledge, a recall based on more than, say, 1% of owners lodging complaints.

    The recall itself affects 100% of owners. The problem affects <1% of owners. That's the norm. The recall is done as a preventive measure rather than a curative measure.

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  • pekelvrpekelvr Member Posts: 61
    Ok IM ONLY GOING TO SAY THIS ONE LAST TIME--THE EPS AND/OR STEERING PROBLEM IS NOT "MINOR." EVIDENTLY PEOPLE HAVE NOT GONE TO NHTSA AND SEEN WITH THEIR OWN EYES HOW MANY PEOPLE TOYOTA HAS ACKNOWLEDGED ON THEIR OWN WEB SITE WHO HAVE AN EPS PROBLEM. RECALLS HAPPEN WHEN ACCIDENTS START OCCURRING THUS NO ONE IS GETTING ACCIDENTS YES IN ORDER FOR TOYOTA TO GET A FIRE UNDER THEIR MEDIA BUTTOCKS TO DO A TRUE BLUE RECALL. NOW IF YOU WANT YOUR STEERING FIXED I HAVE LISTED THE STEPS YOU NEED TO DO IN ORDER TO GET THE CAR FIXED. IF THIS IS NOT AFFECTING YOU THEN WHY COMMENT AT ALL...REALLY AND SERIOUSLY. DO PEOPLE HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO THAN TO GO THIS THREAD AND BAD MOUTH THOSE OF US EXPERIENCING THE PROBLEM? WHERE DO YOU GET YOUR FIGURE OF 1%...SERIOUSLY I WANT TO KNOW??? IT IRKS ME THAT YOUR A HOST AND YOU HAVE INSULTED MY INTELLIGENCE. I CAN GIVE YOU THE FACTS FROM TOYOTA DIRECTLY AND REALLY 1% IS A BIG DEAL WHEN 1% CAN GET INTO ACCIDENTS ON THE HIGHWAY AND INJUR PEOPLE DO TO THE EPS HAVING A "MIND OF ITS OWN." MY HUSBAND IS A PRO BODY BUILDER AND BENCH RRESSES AROUND 250-300 LBS OF WEIGHTS AND WHEN HE DROVE MY CARE FOR AN 8 HOUR TRIP HE FELT IT IN HIS ARMS TRYING TO CONTROL MY 2008 CORROLLA THEN WE TRADED IT IN FOR THE 2010 FRESHOFF THE LOT AND IT HAD THE PROBLEM TOO! SO YES, IT IS SPREAD OVER DIFFERENT MODELS AND YEARS. PROBABLY DUE TO THE NEW STABILITY CONTROL FEATURE IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE EPS MODULE. MY 08 DIDNT HAVE VSC BUT THE 2010 DID AND YET I STILL HAD THE ISSUE. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR INSULT.
  • pekelvrpekelvr Member Posts: 61
    "The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration confirmed to Automotive News that it is reviewing a large number of steering complaints concerning the electric power steering system used in 2009 and 2010 Toyota Corolla sedans."

    http://autoguide.nascar.com/blog/1042430_toyota-corolla-being-reviewed-for-poten- tial-steering-issue

    JUST PURCHASED A 2010 TOYOTA COROLLA S ON JULY 23, 2010. THE STEERING DID NOT SEEM RIGHT. AT ONE WEEK I WENT BACK TO THE DEALER AND THEY GAVE IT AN ALIGNMENT, WHICH DID NOT REALLY IMPROVE THE STEERING. IT IS HORRIBLE ON THE HIGHWAY AND MY ARMS HURT FROM TRYING TO KEEP IT IN THE LANE. THOUGHT IT WAS JUST ME UNTIL I STARTED TO INVESTIGATE, AND FOUND OUT ALL OF THE OTHER COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE SAME PROBLEM. IT MAKE YOU FEEL LIKE YOU DO NOT HAVE CONTROL OF THE CAR. IT SWERVES FROM SIDE TO SIDE. TRIED PUTTING MORE AIR IN THE TIRES, DOES NOT HELP. I HAVE NOT EVEN MADE MY FIRST PAYMENT YET. I HAVE CALLED CORPORATE OFFICES, AND AM AWAITING A RESPONSE FROM THEM. WE NEED TO START A CLASS ACTION SUIT.

    I OWNED A 2009 COROLLAAND THE ACCELERATOR SURGED IN CHARLOTTE N.C, IN MARCH OF 2010. I TRADED FOR A 2010 COROLLA, THIS CAR HAS AS SERIOUS PROBLEMS. I HAVE SPOKEN TO MY INSURANCE AGENT TWICE LAST WEEK, ASKING IF HE HAD ANY COMPLAINTS ABOUT STEERING CONTROL. THIS CAR, AT SPEEDS OF 45MPH AND UP MOVES ABOUT THE LANE ABRUPTLY AND IS NOT EASY TO CORRECT. IT IS REALLY EASY TO OVERCORRECT. THE CAR FEELS AS IF THERE IS LOTS OF PLAY IN THE STEERING AND MOVES TO THE LEFT OR RIGHT. IT IS A CONSTANT ORDEAL TO MAINTAIN CONTROL. LAST WEEK I PULLED OVER ALONGSIDE I85 IN SALISBURY N.C. TO GATHER MYSELF. I BELIEVE THIS CAR WARRANTS A RECALL. I'M RELUCTANT TO DRIVE IT, BUT IT IS THE ONLY CAR I HAVE. PLEASE INVESTIGATE THIS FURTHER

    I HAVE A 2010 COROLLA. THE STEERING IN THIS CAR IS NOT RIGHT AND THE THE DEALER SAYS THERE IS NO FIX .ON THE HIGHWAY THE CAR WANDERS LEFT TO RIGHT. I AM ALWAYS MAKING SMALL CORRECTIONS TO KEEP THE CAR STRAIGHT. THE REAL PROBLEM WITH THIS CAR IS WHEN ITS WINDY ON THE HIGHWAY A GUST OF WIND WILL MOVE IT ENOUGH WERE ITS BORDERLINE DANGEROUS.

    TL*THE CONTACT OWNS A 2010 TOYOTA COROLLA. THE STEERING WHEEL DOES NOT STAY IN A STRAIGHT LINE WHILE DRIVING OVER 30 MPH. THE VEHICLE BEGAN TO MOVE FROM THE LEFT TO THE RIGHT. WHILE DRIVING OVER 30 MPH IT TOOK GREATER EFFORT TO KEEP THE STEERING WHEEL STRAIGHT. THE VEHICLE WAS TAKEN TO THE DEALER TO BE DIAGNOSED. THE STEERING EPS NEEDED TO BE REPLACED, BUT THE PART WAS ON BACK ORDER. THE DEALER WAS UNABLE TO PROVIDE A DATE THAT THE PART WOULD BE AVAILABLE. REPORT 1007080021 WAS FILED WITH THE MANUFACTURER. THE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS 8 AND THE CURRENT MILEAGE WAS 4,966.

    CARS ALIGNMENT IS OUT OF WACK. WHILE DRIVING THE CAR WILL TURN ON IT OWN TO THE RIGHT OR LEFT REPORTED IT TO TOYOTA AND THEY SAID WE CANT DO ANYTHING.

    TL*THE CONTACT OWNS A 2010 TOYOTA COROLLA. THE CONTACT STATED THAT WHENEVER HE DROVE THE VEHICLE OVER 60 MPH, THE STEERING WHEEL BECAME LOOSE AND DIFFICULT TO CONTROL. HE CONSTANTLY HAD TO CORRECT THE STEERING WHEEL TO KEEP IT STRAIGHT. HE CALLED THE DEALER AND SCHEDULED AN APPOINTMENT TO HAVE THE VEHICLE INSPECTED. HE HAD NOT SPOKEN WITH THE MANUFACTURER WHEN THE COMPLAINT WAS FILED. THE VIN WAS UNAVAILABLE. THE CURRENT MILEAGE WAS APPROXIMATELY 300. THE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS APPROXIMATELY 20.

    TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 2010 TOYOTA COROLLA. THE CONTACT STATED WHEN DRIVING AT APPROXIMATELY 55 MPH, THE STEERING WHEEL WOULD NOT STAY BALANCED IN A STRAIGHT LINE. THE VEHICLE WOULD VEER IN EITHER DIRECTION. THE CONTACT STATED THE FAILURE WAS WORSE WHEN DRIVING IN SNOW OR WINDY WEATHER CONDITIONS. THE DEALER ADVISED THE VEHICLE WAS OPERATING AS DESIGNED. THE FAILURE PERSISTED. THE DEALER TEST DROVE AND WAS ABLE TO DUPLICATE THE FAILURE. AN INVESTIGATOR WAS SENT ON BEHALF OF THE MANUFACTURER TO FURTHER INSPECT THE FAILURE. THE INVESTIGATOR PERFORMED A VISUAL INSPECTION AND ADVISED THERE WERE NO FAILURES. IN ADDITION, THE CONTACT STATED THE BRAKES WOULD FEEL SPONGY AND WOULD OFTEN FALL FARTHER INTO THE FLOORBOARD THAN NORMAL. THE CONTACT WOULD HAVE TO APPLY STEADY, REPEATED PRESSURE IN ORDER FOR THEM TO WORK PROPERLY. THE DEALER ADVISED THERE WERE NO FAILURES WITHIN THE BRAKE SYSTEM. THE VEHICLE WAS NOT REPAIRED. THE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS APPROXIMATELY 500 AND THE CURRENT MILEAGE WAS APPROXIMATELY 2,100.

    TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 2010 TOYOTA COROLLA. THE CONTACT STATED WHILE DRIVING AT 60 MPH, THE STEERING BECAME VERY HARD AND DIFFICULT TO TURN. HE WOULD HAVE TO PULL ON THE STEERING WHEEL WHEN THE FAILURE OCCURRED TO KEEP THE VEHICLE CENTERED IN ITS LANE. THE STEERING WHEEL WOULD NOT RE-CENTER ITSELF WHEN MAKING A TURN DURING THE FAILURE. THE DEALER ADVISED THEY WERE UNABLE TO REPAIR THE VEHICLE BECAUSE THE STEERING BOX WAS ELECTRONIC. THE VEHICLE WAS NOT REPAIRED. THE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS 285 AND THE CURRENT MILEAGE WAS 3,270.

    I HAVE A BRAND NEW COROLLA 2010 I BOUGHT THIS MAY OF 2010. IF I DRIVE ON THE FREEWAY, I HAVE TO CONTINUOUSLY CONTROL THE WAY THE CAR MOVES. IT WILL NOT GO STRAIGHT IN THE LANE. THE CAR WILL WANDER AND ITS LIKE THE WIND IS HITTING MY CAR. I'M RETURNING IT THIS WEEK, BUT I REALLY HOPE THIS WILL GET FIXED SOON.

    THE ODI STARTED AN INVESTIGATION IN FEB. ABOUT THE STEERING ON '09 AND '10 COROLLAS. AT THAT TIME THERE WERE 168 COMPLAINTS AND 6 CRASHES. NOW THERE ARE OVER 500 COMPLAINTS AND 34 CRASHES INVOLVING THESE VEHICLES, AND NO UPDATES. SOMEBODY PLEASE ACTUALLY READ THIS AND LET US UNFORTUNATE TOYOYA OWNERS KNOW WHAT IS GPING ON! THE MATRIX WAS ALSO LISTED IN THE INVESTIGATION, BUT THERE ARE NO STEERING COMPLAINTS FOR THOSE MODEL YEARS LISTED. I OWN A 2010 COROLLA AND HAVE FILED A COMPLAINT, BEEN TO THE DEALER SEVERAL TIMES,AND CALLED ODI AND GOT NO HELP FROM ANYONE. THESE CARS HAVE A SERIOUS PROBLEM WIYH DRIFTING ALL OVER THE ROAD (AS 99% OF THE COMPLAINTS SAY ONE WAY OR ANOTHER) AND I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT TO DO. I HOPE OTHER PEOPLE WHO HAVE FILED COMPLAINTS KEEP CHECKING UP ON THEM. THANKS IN ADVANCE FOR LISTENING!!!!

    2010 TOYOTA CORROLA STEERING PROBLEM. CAR WANDERS ON HIGHWAY HARD TO HOLD IN LANE DUE TO ELECTRIC POWER STEERING

    TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 2010 TOYOTA COROLLA. THE CONTACT STATED THAT HIS VEHICLE HAS BEEN EXPERIENCING RECURRING BRAKE AND STEERING FAILURES. REPEATED PRESSURE WOULD HAVE TO BE APPLIED TO THE BRAKE PEDAL IN ORDER TO STOP THE VEHICLE. THE CONTACT ALSO STATED THAT WHILE DRIVING AT UNKNOWN HIGHWAY SPEEDS, THE VEHICLE WOULD DRIFT FROM LEFT TO RIGHT. THE VEHICLE WAS TAKEN TO AN AUTHORIZED DEALER BUT THE FAILURE WAS NOT DUPLICATED. THE VEHICLE WAS NOT REPAIRED. THE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS 200 AND THE CURRENT MILEAGE WAS 7,020.

    I HAVE A 2010 TOYOTA COROLLA. THE VEHICLE HAS BEEN TAKEN TO THE SELLING DEALER TWICE AND AN ADDITIONAL DEALER ONCE. I TOOK IT IN FOR WHAT I DEEM AS UNSAFE STEERING. THE VEHICLE WANDERS EVEN WHEN HOLDING THE WHEEL LOCKED STRAIGHT WITH BOTH HANDS. THE DEALERS CHECKED ALIGNMENT AND SAID ITS THE NATURE OF THE ELECTRONIC
  • terceltomterceltom Member Posts: 1,024
    edited September 2010
    I THINK WE'RE ALL REALLY IMPRESSED WITH YOUR CAPITALIZATION!

    No one insinuated that the EPS problem was "minor", what we continue to state is that this problem is affecting only a very small number of late model Corollas.

    NOW WHY DON'T YOU ADDRESS THIS FOR ONCE?
    You have been reminded on at least three different occassions that your 2008 Corolla didn't even have EPS, so how in the world could it have had this EPS problem ?
  • thegraduatethegraduate Member Posts: 9,731
    No one insinuated that the EPS problem was "minor", what we continue to state is that this problem is affecting only a very small number of late model Corollas.

    From a third party, I'll tell ya, whether you intend it to sound that way or not, you belittle people when using language such as the "supposed" steering issue. You're implying that you don't believe them.

    You're right about the '08 having no EPS. They also had no steering feel, but it can't be blamed on EPS; it's characteristic of Toyotas. They ride nicely and handle poorly by relative standards.
  • terceltomterceltom Member Posts: 1,024
    edited September 2010
    Well here's the thing "Graduate". My 2009 Corolla drives as I'm sure Toyota intended it to. I don't have any steering problems whatsoever. In fact, I said it over and over how satisfied I am with the EPS steering, the feel and the handling. Now do you know how many times people called me a liar because I said my car drives fine, or even insinuated that I work for Toyota just because I brag how much of a pleasurable experience it is to drive my car? They've even told me I don't know anything about a cars steering feel or handling. In fact I think I went back and forth with you about this more times then I care to remember. So when some posters tell me they are having a steering issue, how do I know if they are or not? Or even if there is any such a problem. After all I'm continually be doubted myself because I like my car. Hence the "supposed" comment. After all, you can walk in most Toyota dealerships right now and ask them about the EPS steering problem on 2009/2010 Corollas and guess what? The majority of them are going to ask you what you're talking about. I know that's true because I did it in my own area with two out of the three biggest Toyota dealerships clueless until you tell them to check for a TSB. So how many complaints do you think they're actually getting? So I really don't care how I come across to other posters. I will continue to brag about my Corollas on this site just as others feel they have to continue to bash them or complain about them. After all this thread is for all, not just the dissatisfied.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Member Posts: 9,731
    Now do you know how many times people called me a liar because I said my car drives fine

    How'd that make you feel? You're simply doing it to those who have the problems, just in a more patronizing manner. Two wrongs...

    The Corolla I've driven (2010 S model) was completely uncommunicative, as Toyotas generally are. It wasn't unsafe or "problematic" though; it was just an inherent design of the car. I think too many people are confusing the real "problem" with the fact that they don't in-fact drive well (too-light and numb; fine for searching a crowded parking lot but not confidence-inspiring at 70 mph). There are two seperate issues; one that Toyota is addressing due to safety concerns.
  • terceltomterceltom Member Posts: 1,024
    edited September 2010
    I really don't care how others feel when I'm telling the truth and giving an honest oppinion. And I got news for you, my XLE drives and feels great unlike that S you test drove. No numbness or lightheadedness (LOL) just a totally pleasurable experience. So let's agree to dissagree just like the other dissatisfied Corolla owners.
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    OK. To me, the fact that the owner has to bring in the car for the recall and it is in fact repaired (e.g. pedal changed or whatever) "affects" the owner. That's the way I'd look at it if it happened to me, anyway (and it has on some cars I've owned). As I said, Tom has his take on it, you have yours, and I have mine.

    Looking at it another way (a rather negative way)... if a problem like unintended acceleration really did affect all owners of a particular model, there wouldn't be many cars left to bring in for the fix. :sick:
  • terceltomterceltom Member Posts: 1,024
    Okay I guess we'll continue this conversation since there aren't any "on topic" post lately. I really think now your splitting hairs regarding the wording of Kirtie's post #439. If you re-read the post she stated "experiencing symptoms pertaining to the re-call", not affecting the owner personally because they had to drag the car in to get looked at.
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    I think Kirstie was clear in her follow-up explanation of what she meant, and I think I was clear in explaining what I think "affected" by a recall means. The fact Kirstie and I have different opinions on the subject is OK with you, isn't it?
  • terceltomterceltom Member Posts: 1,024
    Of course, you don't have to ask me on what opinions you want to form. Sorry, didn't mean to offend, just sounded like you needed a little help understanding what she was trying to say in her post of #439. We were clearly talking about the vehicles, not the owners.
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    I got all the help I needed from the source--Kirstie. Thanks for your concern over what I am able to understand, or not understand. Nice to know there's folks out there who really care.
  • terceltomterceltom Member Posts: 1,024
    Awe, you really don't mean that! I sense a little sarcasm which is really unlike you. But anyway, give me some credit, I thought I was being pretty helpful.
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    Yes, very helpful, and also a mind reader. You are an amazing person. Truly.
  • terceltomterceltom Member Posts: 1,024
    Now I'm starting to think you mean it !
  • biffprestonbiffpreston Member Posts: 59
    Bottom line is the new Toyota Corolla with EPS sucks hard and has severely bad road handling issues. There is nothing that Toyota can do to change the way these cars handle.
  • biffprestonbiffpreston Member Posts: 59
    There is not a damn thing Toyota can do to change the extremely poor handling of these cars.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Member Posts: 9,731
    There's everything they can do. There are plenty of steering systems (EPS included) with better steering feel than the system in the Corolla. Different suspension calibrations would certainly help as well, at the cost of ride.

    You can modify any car and make it handle better or worse.
  • terceltomterceltom Member Posts: 1,024
    "Bottom line is the new Toyota Corolla with EPS sucks"

    Clarification - Bottom line is YOUR new Toyota Corolla with EPS sucks
  • terceltomterceltom Member Posts: 1,024
    This is an "Toyota Corolla Electric-Assist Power Steering" thread. Perhaps you should seek solace on the "Toyota Corolla problems and repair" thread if you want to discuss the poor handling of your Corolla.
  • terceltomterceltom Member Posts: 1,024
    edited September 2010
    omg, are you paranoid or what ????

    I AM a Toyota loving lurker on Edmunds! I own three Corollas, a "92", a "01" and a "09" and guess what? "I would recommend this wonderful little car to all my friends and family", as you put it. Is there a problem with that? I couldn't be happier with my 2009 Corolla as well as my other two. In fact, last year I just parted with an "86" Toyota Tercel that gave me 200,000 miles and 24 years of great service.

    Face it babe, you got a lemon with yours! :lemon:
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