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  • My son in interested in a Certified Pre-Owned 98 4Runner SR5, V-6, 5-speed, leather, sun-roof, single CD, alloys, etc. It has 35K miles and the asking price is $22,900. Any ideas if this seems reasonable? It appears to be in line with KBB and Edmunds. Any known problems to look out for? It is definitely a good looking/driving vehicle. Any comments? TIA.
  • Anybody out there have any experience with aftermarket 3rd row seats or mobile video systems? I'm considering both and am looking for suggestions. My 98 4runner has the moonroof which looks like it might interfere with the flip-down type monitors for video system but I'm told it can be done.
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Posts: 3,581
    I've seen it done and it works. As long as you choose the right installer, this can look like a factory job. We use a company called Sure Fit in Arlington VA and they do a great job. You may want to ask your folks for references.
  • kjack100kjack100 Posts: 133
    Is the anticipation killing anyone as much as it is me on the 2003 redesign? You have to commend/curse Toyota for being able to keep the lid on any leaks concerning the new 4Runner.

    Prediction - The redesign is presented at the New York auto show in April. This is the last major US show of which would enable a full scale rollout of a 2003 model.

    I was in Costa Rica this past May and on the streets in San Jose near the Toyota dealer. Anyway, there was this stunning brand new Toyota SUV that drove by, that was not based on any U.S. Toyota SUV's that I could recognize. Someone on here had mentioned it might be a "HiLux", but correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the non-US HiLux was a four door with a truck bed.

    The vehicle resembled somewhat a Land Rover Discovery, with the higher roofline and taller windows. It had Toyota badges though, I am sure.
    Maybe it was the redesigned 4Runner, maybe not. But it didn't look like it was based on any Toyota, U.S. or non U.S.

    I think it is a safe bet that it will definitely have more power available and it will have a third seat option.

    If anyone has any info or links, please post.
  • With the market in the US the way it is you can be sure it will be a larger, if not much larger truck. I keep hearing V8 and third roll of seats. Not sure if I would like a larger 4Runner, but it should be interesting!
  • Since I posted my note a few weeks ago, I pay more attention to this clicking sound. It does look like something to do with the break since it only appears when I apply break. Of course, it is only occasionally you hear the clicking when you apply the break. Again, I bet there are more 4runner owner noticing this. When I take my car in for scheduled service, I will ask my dealer. Meanwhile, I will keep my radio on all the time so that I would not be disturbed by this sound. Believe me, compared with the story my friend told me about his new SUV (P.S. IT is not a Toyota), 4Runner is a much better choice.
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Posts: 3,581
    I don't know if this will help any of you, but allow me to tell you about a similar click I had on my Tundra. Every time I hit the brake, I could hear a faint click. It was very consistent. I could even predict the exact moment it would happen. I talked to my shop guys and they seemed a bit baffled and said not to worry about it. The noise went away about 6 months ago. The braking never seemed affected.
  • Thanks guys, for your responses re the ABS click. It does seem less obvious now, for some reason. Not nearly as bothersome. And the Toyota shop where I bought the truck did fix the rattle in the dash. They were great about it. Very nice dealership.

    So I'm now back in love with my new 4Runner!

    However, as a novice 4WD driver, can someone give me the basic lesson in when to switch to 4WD and how best to do that? I did read the explanation in the other forum, but it's probably more than I need to know at the moment. Thanks!

    Cathy
  • > Believe me, compared with the story my friend told me about his new SUV (P.S. IT is not a Toyota), 4Runner is a much better choice. <

    Do tell. What happened to him? Not to gloat -- I like to hear stories that confirm i made the right choice in spending so much for a 4Runner!

    Cathy
  • jasanjasan Posts: 12
    I was at the dealership the other day, while I was looking through some documentation I came across a nice diagram of the VSC system. In my particular case the click happens infrequently, only when slowing and is coming from the passenger side. If you can get your hands on a diagram of the VSC system you'll notice that in the engine compartment (close to the cab) on the passenger side is the deceleration sensor. The diagram doesn't give any insight as to what happens when decelerating but I would guess that this is the source of the clicking. I believe 2001 was the first year of VSC on the Runner, if everyone else who is experiencing this has a 2001 or later than I would take bets on it.
    Cliffy,
    Does your Tundra have VSC?
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Posts: 3,581
    I only wish the Tundra came with VSC. I'm hoping they add it for 2003 because that is when my lease is up.

    I also want to comment on the click that I reported yesterday. I was wrong. The click is still there! It seems I had just ignored it for the past 6 months, but this discussion caused me to listen for it last night. Sure enough, it is still there. It happens when the pedal passes the half way point and does it every time. Ya'll made me aware of it again. It will probably take me another 6 months to begin ignoring it again!
  • This is getting more interesting. Last night, it was the first time. I heard a small click when I slowed my 4runner (2001 - 1500 miles)down for an expected stop sign ahead of me. This time I did not apply any break and only take my foot away from accelerator. Now, I must agree with Jasan. This is not related to ABS. It is some kind of on/off switch to control something. It must be designed for this way. I guess Toyota may make this controller too sensitive but they must have a good reason. To safe our life is a good reason. Again, I trust Toyota quality. Do you know if Toyota has a website we can post this question to them? Sorry. I could not disclose the model and story about my friend's SUV on the internet. Regardless, I likes the car and my son (11 years old) was so excited when I told him he could have this 4runner when he turns 17.
  • I have a 2002 4Runner that we took to see the in-laws up in Jackson over the Thanksgiving weekend and it really would have been nice to have a few extra horsepower as the transmission would abruptly downshift on hills providing for a bit of a jerkey ride for passengers. My guess is that even 20 or 30 extra horsepower would have eliminated this problem. Therefore, does anyone here have the TRD supercharger? If so, what sort of fuel economy are you seing? How much do they cost? Two dealers here claim to know nothing about the TRD supercharger.
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Posts: 3,581
    The TRD supercharger costs about $3000 plus installation and adds something like 75 HP. Fuel economy may actually go up. It takes about 300 miles of driving with it before the engine computer figures out how to use all the extra air.
  • >>>
    I was at the dealership the other day, while I was looking through some documentation I came across a nice diagram of the VSC system. In my particular case the click happens infrequently, only when slowing and is coming from the passenger side. If you can get your hands on a diagram of the VSC system you'll notice that in the engine compartment (close to the cab) on the passenger side is the deceleration sensor. The diagram doesn't give any insight as to what happens when decelerating but I would guess that this is the source of the clicking. I believe 2001 was the first year of VSC on the Runner, if everyone else who is experiencing this has a 2001 or later than I would take bets on it. <<<<

    Interesting. You did nail the location of the click -- the passenger side. When the mechanic at my dealership looked for it, with me there, it did seem to be coming from the ABS system -- we could feel it passing through the sensors in a box on the passenger side under the hood. But perhaps it originates in the VSC system. They said they looked at some 2002s, and it happens on them, too.

    I'm going to keep on them to find a way to quiet it, so i'll pass on this info. Thanks.

    Cathy
  • >>>>>>>>>
    I also want to comment on the click that I reported yesterday. I was wrong. The click is still there! It seems I had just ignored it for the past 6 months, but this discussion caused me to listen for it last night. Sure enough, it is still there. It happens when the pedal passes the half way point and does it every time. Ya'll made me aware of it again. It will probably take me another 6 months to begin ignoring it again!
    <<<<<<<

    Sorry 'bout that!

    Cathy
  • I also have a clicking or vibration sound, emanating from under the passenger side dash. The clicking only seems to occur at idle with the truck in gear, whether the brake is engaged or not. I believe that the sound is due to a vibration that occurs when the engine is idling.
  • jf01jf01 Posts: 88
    Does anybody know how much a supercharger would add to resale value down the road? Or how much a current (2nd gen) supercharger would be worth in a few years (probably more than 7 or 8 years). Thanks.
  • Cliffy,

    Is 3K a good price for the supercharger or could they be had for under 2K?
  • suvshopper4suvshopper4 Posts: 1,110
    jf01: My guess is that a supercharger would hurt resale value, unless you found a buyer that cared as much about it as the seller.

    I would never buy a vehicle that had an aftermarket supercharger. I'd take that to mean the seller drove it hard and fast, and shortened its life. But maybe that's just me.
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Posts: 3,581
    I think dead cost to the dealer is about $2600 without installation.
  • jf01jf01 Posts: 88
    I was also kinda thinking that I wouldn't buy a vehicle with a supercharger already in it...it probably would have been better to put "do to resale value." But I'm also wondering if a dealer would view it the same way, in terms of trade-in. Would dealers likely deduct because of a supercharger, or just look at the mileage and general condition of the vehicle?
  • I sat in a new 4Runner Limited the other day while I was getting the old Rav-4 oil changed, and I noticed that the 4Runner sit high and the front windows was low, and very small. Have any of you 4Runner people had issue with that?
  • I own a 2001 4Runner Limited and have reviewed most postings (Edmunds and other 4Runner sites)related to the clicking/popping sound heard by owners of 2001 and 2002 4Runners. The sound originates in the ABS/Traction Control/Skid Control system. The sound was not noticed on Runners until Toyota decided to make the system standard on all Runners in 2001. Like others on this site my dealer told me the sound is normal.

    I am a devoted fan of Toyota. I have owned Toyotas since 1985 and have never been disappointed by their quality, dependability, or design. However, I am frustrated that Toyota would design a braking/control system that checks and rechecks itself and when doing so is loud enough that an owner must turn up the radio to drown out the sound. I also find it hard to believe that this is the same system used on Landcruisers and Lexus'. Most owners of luxury vehicles expect a quiet vehicle. Not one that goes "hisssssss click" when it is braked to a stop!!

    I hope Toyota is listening and develops a TSB to address the clicking sound problem. I apologize for the whining.

    Thanks.
  • Thank you 4winns. Your note really summarizes the source of the sound. I guess we need to accept that this feature is designed by Toyota to keep the 4runner safe. We need to step back and be happy with what we bought so that we can enjoy the car. I am still fully convinced we made a right choice. Of course, I wish I could afford BMW or Mercedes SUV but ...
  • goltgogoltgo Posts: 54
    I hate to sound like a moron, but I need to ask about changing the rear wiper on my 1995 4Runner.

    I got this vehicle a year ago, and nowadays the rear wiper does about as good a job at removing water/dirt as the Miami Heat do at winning NBA games. There's plenty of movement, plenty of action, but in the end it's disappointing.

    When at rest, the wiper arm is tucked up under the rear wind deflector and seems to be locked in place, making a wiper change difficult without "reefing" on it. As an alternative method, should I put the key in the ignition, turn it to the "Accessories" position, activate the rear wiper, and then turn the key off in mid-swipe in order to freeze the arm halfway through its cycle and then change the wiper?

    Thanks in advance for your input.
  • Yeah, you Heat fans are having a tough season, I'm a big Bucks fan!

    Go Bucks!
  • jasanjasan Posts: 12
    I tested the traction and skid control systems on my Runner today (first snow since I have had it). First I would like to say that before the 4 Runner I had a 97 Blazer (nice SUV but it has a long way to go before it's competitive with the Toyota) which for all intensive purposes was good in the snow. Today I can justify spending the extra cash for the 4 Runner. While taking off from a stop sign I tried to get the "Truck" sideways (not a problem with the Blazer), nothing doing, the VSC light came on and the "Truck" straightened right out, during this time the tires started spinning and the traction control kicked in. During my 20 minute commute to work this morning I got the drivers side tires in some deep stuff (60MPH on the highway!!!), the VSC kicked in again as did my heart and away I went.
    The engineering that went into this truck is excellent, the systems work very well together. If I have to live with the click than so be it, I would rather have the click as a reminder that these systems are in place than be CLICKLESS and not have them at all. 4Winns you are probably right, I would be willing to bet that the CLICK isn't present on either the Lexus or the Cruiser.
    It's a rather strange phenomenon since the system on the Runner is supposedly the child of the VSC on the Lexus. Maybe a Lexus test drive is in order.
  • peter78peter78 Posts: 284
    I saw a posting on another site. The post said he saw a new 4Runner with a V6 4.0L 245 HP and 283 ft/lb torque. I know we have heard rumor's of a V8. Actually a V6 makes sense, but I have no idea how valid this post is.


     http://club.vmag.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/000842.html

  • 2002 4Runner Sport with 1,050 miles.
    Is it normal when the car is running cold for the transmission to remain in 2nd gear as I'm driving in the 25 to 35 mph range? It doesn't shift "up" to third until the 35+ mph range. When warm, shifting seems to be within a more normal range.
    Thanks in advance.
    And...yes, I also am experiencing the annoying and obnoxious clicking/popping sound. There's got to be a solution rather than simply accepting that this is normal. We owned a 2000 Jeep Grand Cherokee (Can we say, "LEMON?") and all of its problems were always referred to as "that's the way it's supposed to be." I certainly hope I'm not in for another Jeep experience!
    cw
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