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2010 Honda Accord
I like the Accord EX v6 Sedan with NAV but am frustrated that the model lacks the USB iPod interface found in the Pilot Touring (or CIvic or Fit for that matter!).
Anyone know if the USB iPod interface will be added in 2010 to the Accord Sedan?
Anyone know if the USB iPod interface will be added in 2010 to the Accord Sedan?
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2009 - Accord Sedan EX-L Manual: $23,283.00 (MSRP $26,273) Luther Honda
2009 - Accord Sedan EX-L V6 Auto: $25,584 (MSRP: $29,225) Buerkle Honda
2009 - Accord Sedan EX-L 4cyl Auto: $23,505 (MSRP: $27,075) Buerkle Honda
There are some good deals to be had!! I think I'm going to by the EX-L 4cyl manual, cant wait!
Will this be on dealer lots in September?
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07/07/2009 - Torrance, CA - An all-new crossover vehicle based on the award-winning Honda Accord will go on-sale in the fall of 2009 as the "Accord Crosstour," American Honda Motor Co., Inc., announced today. This new addition to the Honda lineup will be sold as a 2010 model. Additional information will be announced later in the year.
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Surely I must be overlooking it.
The following trim levels that were available with a manual transmission in 2009 are automatic-only for 2010-
Accord Sedan- LX-P, EX-L, EX-L Navi
Accord Coupe- EX-L and EX-L Navi
And for the record-
Civic Coupe & Sedan- EX Navi, EX-L, EX-L Navi
Fit- Sport Navi
With the exception of the Accord Coupe EX-L V6 & EX-L V6 Navi, you can no longer get a manual-shift Honda with leather seats! And with exception of the Accord Coupe EX-L V6 Navi & Civic Si Navi, you can't get Navigation with manual transmission on any other models!??
Currently, a MT is available on the 4 cylinder Accord EX-L sedan even with Navi, but it must be ordered. The Honda website does not indicate this option, but the Accord brochure does, as do some online pricing/buying services. I am currently ordering a 5-speed 4 cylinder MT EX-L with Navi. I have been assured by two dealers that this can be done.
I have been buying Accords with MTs since 1982. Honda has been one of the few manufacturers of family cars that offer a well-optioned sedan with MT, but this is changing. I will have to wait up to 12 weeks for delivery. This delay is enough to prevent a lot of MT sales since folks often buy cars because their old one has failed, and they need a new one in short order. A lot of other manufacturers also require that the MT be ordered. I think that falling MT sales is partly caused by the long delivery delay.
My 4 cylinder MT Accord EX sedans have been fun drive, with better acceleration and fuel efficiency than the equivalent automatic transmission equipped cars. In addition, the MTs have been more reliable, cost less to purchase, and require less maintenance. In this era in which higher fuel efficiency is a priority, I find the demise of the MT puzzling. Note that Consumer Reports got 34 mpg with the MT LX-P vs. 28 mpg with automatic LX-P on their 150 mile road trip, and lists a MT cruising range of 590 miles vs. 485 miles for the automatic.
This may be the last year to buy a MT EX-L sedan with Navi. Get them while you can.
I called Honda Customer Relations (1-800-999-1009) to complain and after I spoke my piece, I was told: "Your suggestion will be sent to Engineering where it may be considered as an improvement."
I was absolutely FURIOUS. Did Honda publish a list of everything they removed as part of the cost-cutting? I think NOT! So now my request to have things replaced that were removed is a "suggestion for improvement?" Do they think we are all idiots? Yeah, obviously, but I'm not finished with this yet, as I have also lodged a complaint at the dealer, which will likely be ignored.
Stay tuned.....
Well, sort of, yes they did. The 2010 brochure doesn't mention the ambient and glove box light. Yes I agree, it stinks when they drop things you expect in your Honda, but I don't see any recourse you have to get Honda to add the lights.
Another thing I find that also stinks is the little disclaimer they print in the brocures. It says something like: "changes can be made at any time without notice" and it happened to me. I purchased a Toyota truck years ago, and the truck didn't come with cloth visors as shown in the brochure for my model's trim level. Well the dealer quickly pointed out the disclaimer in the brochure. The truck supposedly was to have a "heavy duty starter, battery and wiper motor" in their cold weather package, well I had no way of verifying the truck had any of the upgrades.
Mrbill
Since I did not have a 2008 or 2009 brochure to compare to the 2010 brochure, I had no means of determining what had been listed or what had been removed. If you have both, berhaps you could do a line-by-line comparison and see if anything else has been removed. Thanks in advance.
If you were in charge of a business, would you offer that info? Think of it:
--Last year's HD TV model offered you 3 HDMI jacks but this year we only put in two.
--Our vacuum used to have a 20 foot cord but we now have a 15 foot cord so that we could save money.
--This year, our models have thinner plastic than in earlier versions.
I understand that you are frustrated but expecting Honda (or any other company) to list things they dropped just isn't going to happen. I certainly wouldn't expect it.
If you had known about it prior to purchase, would you have purchased some other vehicle?
Those two things are not the reason I bought a Honda Accord. They weren't even on my list. As a matter of fact, I don't recall anyone ever saying those two features were high on their list.
IMHO, if Honda had to do some cost-cutting, I think they got rid of the right features. Just my $.02. :shades:
If the cost-cutting items had been clearly listed by Honda, I would most likely not have an issue as then I would have known before my purchase. So, YES, I may have considered other cars due to the reason I mentioned above.
Look, everyone has something that "pushes their buttons" and dishonesty pushes mine. Now, you may not feel that Honda has been dishonest by not divulging what they removed. That's your choice. Forgive me if I disagree. I feel that's it is this type of thinking that has been and may continue to be the downfall of American industry, meaning that eventually all the lies and cover-ups come home to roost. Just look at what is happening to Toyota right now. Not good. Not good at all.
Just tell the truth - that's all I'm asking.
I would be angry if the brochure or salesperson said that there was something on the car that wasn't, but I'm not sure you can say it is dishonest when they don't list it in the first place.
In 06 and 07, the Accord had LED tail lights but they dropped them in 08 (A mistake, IMHO). Should they have listed that somewhere in a brochure?
Do you have an example of a car company that listed what they dropped from a previous model? Or any other product, for that matter?? :confuse:
The Honda person on the phone claimed to be completely ignorant of the cost-cutting. Perhaps so, but was still an idiot doing nothing more than reading from a script. At least I wasn't speaking to someone on the other side of the world with a rudimentary command of the english language.
My real fear is not that features have been removed that I noticed, it's what I can't see that scares me. Have you been watching the news coverage of Toyota? The Honda engineers are drinking the same Kool-Aid, IMHO.
For an example, Yes I have one. Sort of. Toyota made a big deal announcing they were "de-contenting" their vehicles back in the mid-1990s. They went on to claim that they had removed 200 pounds of weight from their pickup by doing so. They even stated where some of the savings had come from. Anyway, the 1994 pickup was a MUCH better truck than the 1995 decontented Tacoma replacement, which was a disaster and took several years to straighten out. The 1996 Camry was also a much better car than the 1997 decontented replacement. But, that's all old history.
"Please sir, may I have some more?" Uh, no thanks.
On page 118 of the 2010 Accord Owner's Manual, there's a small diagram showing the "ambient light", with the statement that it is a courtesy light that comes on when the parking lights are on.
Well, well, well. Looks like the cost-cutting didn't include removing the reference in the Owner's Manual. Funny thing. There's no reference to a Glove Box light. Two different engineers? One doing a thorough job, one not?
Now I can take the Owner's Manual to my dealer and say "Where's the one in MY car?" Or, I can bite the bullet and order a switch assembly from a 2009 for $32 that has the light in it. I'll try the dealer first. More fun!!! Hey, I'm retired. This junk makes life a bit more interesting & fun.
I don't see how constantly degrading cars and companies is "fun"? Maybe it's just me. I don't know what model you have, but maybe every model doesn't come with the ambient light? I doubt the lower model had one before 2010. I suggest, in the future, if you see things like ambient lights and glove box lights as "must haves", you look for them on your next test drive. If these lights are SO important to you, I'm almost sure, they can be installed.
To each his own. Have a nice day!
BTW- EX-L V6
If you want one in your 2010 EX or EX-L you know what to do.
Good Deal!!
Mrbill
So far I've noticed the following cost-cutting measures on the 2010 Accord:
- No engine cover (PZEV LX/LX-P and EX/EX-L I4 models)
- No hood insulator (EX and EX-L I4 models)
- No ambient console light (EX and EX-L models)
- No glove box light (all models)
- No sliding tray in the center console (all models)
- No more felt mat in the bottom of the center console (all models)
- No more silver accents on air vent adjusters (all models?)
- No more silver button on the e-brake
- Silver accents removed from cup holder door and front storage bin - replaced with shiny black plastic (all models? or just EX and EX-L? not sure)
- Leatherette door panel inserts replaced with hard plastic panels from 2008-09 LX/LX-P. Leatherette elbow rests remain.(EX models with cloth)
- Front seatback covers (the part with the pockets) are now hard plastic instead of being covered in cloth or leatherette (all models)
- It may be my imagination, but some of the materials used on the dash and door panels (particularly the vinyl sections) seem a bit cheaper than they were on 2008 and 2009 models. I'd have to view them side-by-side to be sure (all models)
- There's no longer a center seam on the leatherette center console armrest. I'm nitpicking here, but it still seems like a cost-cutting measure to me (EX and EX-L models)
Here are the features added for 2010 (not a list of detailed changes, just features added that actually cost money):
- Rear seat air vents (EX and EX-L sedans)
- Bluetooth without Navigation (EX-L models)
- Trunk insulator (EX and EX-L models with I4)
- Let’s not forget - a much higher price tag (all models)
Though the list is of cut parts are not that big of a deal, but its the whole point that they are cost cutting!. Its okay to do this, but all within reason. But, with all that said, I would say their list is justified. In the grand scheme of things, the items add up, and could be used for something else useful. Take the savings or invest it back into the car. Its the whole concept, a little light or not...the point..cutting items, cuts value.
Bluetooth is a nice feature!!
Or, possibly one would think that last year was one of the worst years for car sales for decades. Go figure.
In view of all that has happened, it makes sense to me. Sounds like Honda has the right idea to make sure that it is here for years to come for its shareholders, employees and customers!!! :shades:
...or to make their vehicles less distinguished from their Detroit competitors. Ford seems to be upgrading their vehicles while Honda and Toyota cut.
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You mean to tell me that they gave you a courtesy light that they forgot to remove from a owners manual but would do nothing for my rear brake pads that were wore out after 23,000 miles??? Who in the heck is running that marshmallow factory anyway.
The new switch panel with ambient light (a $20 part, BTW) is being installed this morning.
Perhaps an attempt to further differentiate the Crosstour from the standard EX-L Accord, or maybe an attempt to further justify that amazing price difference between the two. I really have no idea, I'm just making assumptions as to how Honda might explain/rationalize the differences. :confuse:
I got a New Honda Accord, When should I bring the car in for the 1st Oil Change? Should it be 1st 10000 miles?
Thanks
Check the owner's manual. Honda uses a special oil that helps remove metal particles from the new engine. We've had a number of discussions around here before and it seems the consensus is to wait until at least 5000 miles. And, at one time, that was Honda's recommendation too.
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I have an 06 EX-L w/navi. It's an I-4 but I don't see anywhere that says the V6 had anything but a standard mirror. I'll have to check further before I suggest that maybe your dealer installed them on your previous cars.
I checked the fact sheet again for the 06 model year and don't see it available as standard on any trimline. What were the years of your previous models?
I'm trying to remember if my 2000 BMW 323Ci Coupe had one....
Non premium brand coupes are still are considered to be typically owned by younger, up and coming car owners, who haven't gotten used to the luxo toys yet.
You can always get dark tint applied to only the rear hatch window. Usually the police won't bother a person for just that window being tinted dark.
I wish I noticed it when I test drove the coupe..... Pisses me off they charge the same price for the coupe and sedan but cut corners in the sedan!!
Thanks for you info
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