Howdy, Stranger!

It looks like you're new here. If you want to get involved, click one of these buttons!





General Motors Fans

1232426282952

Comments

  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 22,050
    Actually, Berri might have a good point about the Cruze. It splits the gap between the Corolla and Camry, both in size and price, and I could see that confusing some buyers. For instance, your typical compact car buyer might just focus on the price, see that the Cruze is more money, but not notice that it is a bigger car. But then your typical midsized car buyer might not even think of a Cruze, since it's marketed as Chevy's compact car and Cobalt replacement.

    Maybe it's time to dust off this old ad campaign, and update it to modern times, with a Chevy Cruze slant!
  • dave8697dave8697 Posts: 1,498
    The same price argument is poorly used against the Equinox, yet it sells well. Is the Cruze selling OK or suffering badly from being undesirable, specifically due to price? Will I find bad reviews by it's buyers, complaining that they overpaid?
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 22,050
    The same price argument is poorly used against the Equinox, yet it sells well. Is the Cruze selling OK or suffering badly from being undesirable, specifically due to price? Will I find bad reviews by it's buyers, complaining that they overpaid?

    Well, I haven't heard anything bad about the Cruze yet, except for the argument about it being a bit expensive. I have a feeling it'll sell well, even if it doesn't topple the Corolla or Civic for the title of king of the compact cars. I think it'll take years, perhaps even decades, for any other manufacturer to knock those two from their perch.

    But, you never know. Times do change. Back in 1985 for example, the top selling import car nameplate was the Nissan Sentra. As popular and commonplace as the Civic/Corolla seem to be, once upon a time, there was a model that even topped them. Although, FWIW, in 1985, the Cavalier, Tempo, and Escort also topped the Civic and Corolla.
  • samm43samm43 Posts: 195
    I wonder what car takes that Dart's rear window and uses it as a windshield?

    That car was a lot bigger than I had it as in memory.

    Sam
  • berriberri Posts: 4,234
    You seem to be taking the defensive stance that I'm slamming GM. Not true. I compared to Toyota because it has two high volume models at either end of the Cruze. The Equinox is selling well because most everything in the small CUV is given rising gas prices. In general though I think GM pricing strategy is hurting their retail sales volume (except LaCrosse which ironically is being sold as a bargain against cars like Lexus ES). The Cruze faces a boatload of larger cars that still get decent mileage being advertised by dealers out the door for under $20K + ttl. These also include Altima, Fusion, Malibu, etc. I think GM made a big mistake in initially overpricing the current gen Malibu and smarter pricing would be giving it even better sales volume. Pricing too high initially and then making up for it with large rebates or fleet sales down the road tends to backfire in the long run. Even though the Malibu seems better priced out the door these days, potential customers kind of forgot about it when it first came out due to pricing. I had one recently as a rental and it was a nice car. However, when I bought a full size car several years ago I didn't even look at it then because the dealer ads were too high compared to many other competitive models. As for the Cruze, if you look at car pricing history you'll find many brands and lines ended up eliminated, or at least only marginally successful because they were priced too high for their market segment, or too close to the next level up alternatives. I also noted that the new Focus may encounter the same issue. Time will tell whether it can get away with it because Ford is using a European derived approach which may provide it a bit of added cachet.
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 22,050
    edited March 2011
    I wonder what car takes that Dart's rear window and uses it as a windshield?

    I never really thought about it, but it does look like you could almost take the Dart's rear window, flip it around, and use it as a windshield!

    That car was a lot bigger than I had it as in memory.

    The '67-69 models were around 195-196" long, and rode on a 111" wheelbase. They were low-slung cars though, and a bit narrow, so that might make them appear to be even longer. Plus, that 195-196" is just about all car. No jutting bumpers, or sloping, vee-shaped front-ends, or rounded off corners, which will contribute to making a car look smaller than it really is.

    I always thought the mid-70's Darts were smaller, because the sloping rear-end made for a shorter decklid, and made the car look smaller overall. But, because of the jutting bumpers, I think they were actually around 205-210" long!

    In comparison, the Chevy Nova was on a 111" wheelbase, but I think the longest they ever got was around 197". I always thought the '75-79 Novas had really nice proportions. I find them a bit tight inside, though, with regards to legroom. I guess those nice proportions come with a price.
  • circlewcirclew Posts: 8,388
    I agree with your observation regarding Malibu pricing. I agree that GM has had some very good cars come out post-2008. But the pricing still is high.

    Since this is the fan forum, I will limit the comments to that. Pricing strategy can make or break a company. GM's strategy could use another sharpened pencil, afaic. Current events, withstanding. The Cruze could suffer at the hands of the current leaders considering new arrivals or even the companies who are on a explosive assault on the economy car segment.

    I continue to make the Corvette a goal personally. But even that most developed car in GM's history better watch the pricing. Some very innovative cars are going to give it a run for it's value. :)

    Regards,
    OW
  • samm43samm43 Posts: 195
    Yes, I have a feeling Chrysler used a windshield that was already in use to save molding and forming costs. The real mystery is if they grabbed it from one of their own though. :shades:

    I have a fond but initially scary memory of a 69 (I think) Dart with a 3 sp auto and 340. I got a ride into town with a guy at work who had bought one quite new at the time. I was still shy of being licensed (on the road) (legally :shades: ) but had never driven or ridden in anything with the spunk that 340 had when you punched it. Well, he pulled out to pass on a two-lane in a spot that I would have never done in the humble machinery I or family had ever had any history with, and I thought woah man, I only wanted a ride, not get killed; but then he tromped it into 2nd gear (might have been first? at around 45 mph) and holy bleep, did that thing ever haul serious butt. It was a non dramatic pass of course and he knew it ahead of time but I didn't.
    Was a real thrill I'll never forget.

    Sam
  • circlewcirclew Posts: 8,388
    edited March 2011
    Yes, fast for the day:
    image

    Had a '68 with the 318, no match for this one but it was a great car for a starter-mobile! ;)

    Regards,
    OW
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 22,050
    I had a chance to buy a '68 Dart GTS (the 340 model) for $1400 back in 1992. Should've jumped on it! But, I had bought a '68 Dart 270 about 4 months before, with a slightly built-up 318, and didn't have the money to buy another.

    Supposedly, with the right gearing and the 6-pack setup, those 340's could hit 0-60 in about 6 seconds, with the automatic transmission. I think the 4-bbl was rated at 270-275 hp, while the 6-pack was around 290-295. Rumor has it they were actually under-rated though, partly for insurance purposes, but also partly because the real hp would make their 383 big-block look a little pathetic.
  • circlewcirclew Posts: 8,388
    They were under-rated, for sure. Probably by 20 hp and with less weight than the big block, track times would be extrememly close to the 383.

    Regards,
    OW
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,261
    edited March 2011
    "The current Malibu was introduced in 2007 as a 2008 model and since its launch has been one of the brand’s most successful showroom performers. It was Chevrolet’s top-selling car in the U.S. last year and GM said it has moved more than 600,000 since its introduction."

    Chevy Begins Teasing All New Malibu (AutoObserver)

    image

    Moderator
    Minivan fan. Feel free to message or email me - stever@edmunds.com.

  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 18,370
    That's a really nice look.
  • fezofezo Posts: 9,384
    Well, I like the tail lights better already. Will need to see a clearer picture of the rest.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,952
    Keeping it fresh rather than letting it wither around for too long...finally, they get it.
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 22,050
    I'm not sure that I'm in love with those taillights, but maybe they'll grow on me. I'd really need to see the whole car to tell how well they integrate. But, IMO, the taillights on the current Malibu are a bit of a weak spot. Somehow the rear just has a slightly unfinished look to it.

    So, I think they're better than the current car's taillights, at least.
  • dieselonedieselone Posts: 5,651
    edited March 2011
    I agree andre. I'll reserve judgement for when I can see the car in person. Will this be a Regal under a different brand since it will sharing a platform and powertrain? Also, I sure hope it doesn't weigh as much as the Regal. I don't think I want a 3600lb plus car with only 172HP in base form.
  • circlewcirclew Posts: 8,388
    If it weighs more than 3,300 lbs and does not include a T-4 with 270/270, it'll do OK but far from the target to save fuel and preserve performance vs. the comp.

    Hope they do get it. :)

    Regards,
    OW
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 18,370
    Beautiful from GM!

    image
  • fezofezo Posts: 9,384
    Yeah, that's more like it!

    Andre - I agree with you. The big thing I liked about the peek at the new tail light is that it isn't the current one. The current Malibu to me is a "missed it by that much" vehicle. Nothing wrong with it that a tweak here and there wouldn't fix pretty quickly.

    I'd lower the belt line and tone down the schnoz a bit. Then we'd be talking.
  • dieselonedieselone Posts: 5,651
    I'd lower the belt line and tone down the schnoz a bit. Then we'd be talking.

    High belt lines seem to be across the board. I'm not a big fan of how high they've gotten. But all in the pursuit of safety I guess.
  • fezofezo Posts: 9,384
    I'm sure that's why they do it but it makes it feel like you're looking out of a tank.

    Add to that I'm a short guy and it doesn't allow my left elbow to hang there unless I want to dislocate my shoulder!
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,261
    In case y'all missed it, there's a link to a video in that story with some full vehicle glimpses.

    Moderator
    Minivan fan. Feel free to message or email me - stever@edmunds.com.

  • xrunner2xrunner2 Posts: 3,062
    Add to that I'm a short guy and it doesn't allow my left elbow to hang there unless I want to dislocate my shoulder!

    With warmer weather coming, I expect to see again some guys still able to hang their hand out the window in traffic. And, when stopped at traffic light, some of these guys will have cigarette dangling from hand and pack wrapped in t shirt sleeve at shoulder.
  • eliaselias Posts: 1,934
    Anyone here inspired by the 2012 Camaro ZL1, or got a deposit on one yet? :)
  • lemkolemko Posts: 15,196
    Saw a review of the Cadillac CTS-V sedan, coupe, and wagon on the Speed Channel last night. Holy smoke! These are some impressive vehicles that can keep up with or even surpass Europe's finest! I wish they'd make a Cadillac DTS-V for me!!! :shades:
  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,952
    I was reading one of the road test review magazines I bought in Germany at the end of last year, and they praised the CTS-V, too. If the Germans can praise it, something must be right with it.
  • motorcity6motorcity6 Posts: 427
    I remember reading an article in the April issue of Motor Trend mag of the Camaro vs Mustang GT with the Mustang receiving the praise...Having owned 2 past Camaros, a 71SS and a 82 Z28, with the 71 SS the winner and the 82 was a loser..

    I drove a 2010 SS prior to acquiring the 2010 Mustang GT w/track pkg at a very great price, slightly used but not abused..

    If I remember correctly, the new SS Conv weighs some 400# more than the GT conv..so it is bloated ragtop..

    Filled up the 2006 Pontiac Prix GT this A.M., and using mid-grade Shell, we are getting 20.18 mpgs..WoW, it's not a gas saver, but the sunroof and a/c seem to be used 90% of the time..fun car though.. I don't think it is broken yet at 56k miles, it needs some more time on I-75 to loosen up the engine...

    It's a pre-Obama car, a keeper..
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,261

    Moderator
    Minivan fan. Feel free to message or email me - stever@edmunds.com.

  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 18,370
    edited May 2011
    Here's a thorough discussion of Tahoe 2011 Hybrid drive and feel.

    GM Insider

    click on picture
    image
Sign In or Register to comment.