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Even though I do not count Toyota out......
as luck would have it, a few days ago, I decided to bite the bullet and trade it in....For an extremely low mileage, extremely clean Subaru Outback (I would say it was about dead center in the 2.5L premium ;lineup...Just enough to keep me happy! (We had a terrible winter and I decided to get a used "mid" sized AWD auto for this year (my 1st used vehicle ever, and I am.....lets just say over 62!
I am not buying into the Toyota story about the fault lying with the older segment of society (driving their Toyotas, to the market segment they were esigned for!!!! !!!!
(well maybe like everything else, maybe a few of us oldies!)...IMHO there is definitely something "a brewing under that hood"....and it ain't a gas pedal, floormats, or their implementation of EPS (Electric power steering)...ITS CALLED A RUSH TO MARKET!"
I never kept a car more than 2 yrs antyway but nwas not really happy about being "forced" out, and not when I felt like it! TO KEEP IT SHORT....NEVER KEEP THOSE GUYS AT TOYOTA DOWN!!!! THEY WILL BE BACK IMHO!
As for my 2008 Outlander, in the couple of days I have owned it, I am pleased. I have never owned a smaller mid sized AWD before. Always been a larger AWD because of our climate.....I think I am going to like this though.....DESPITE YHE XTRA $$ i HAD TO GIVE UP ON THE TOYOTA TRADE! It is not easy getting out of anything that says Toyota on it! (LOL)
For those trapped under water ij theirs, my sympathies and I hope they get something from the class action that is sure to follow (something other than a coupon for a discount on another Toyota...In all these years, It was my 1st Yota...definitely my last! Mostly due to the way they handled themselves
The old Chevys were the only ones that ever had the throttle stick open. The '70 was worse than the '67.
The front sub-frame members on the '86 Subaru finally rusted through, but the engine was still running. Got $250 for the car. 14 years/cost $11k new, not bad.
John
1) The used Subaru move seems to have been a good one for me (SO FAR and still have a bit left on the warranty to boot)
BUT while vacuuming it today, I noticed something very (apparently simple....and Toyota OWNS a good part of Subaru. I wonder wthe final tab will be on all the recalls (BILLIONS)
Under my gas pedal is an oem half domed object (about like a golf ball cut in half size). Why reshape pedals, floors, carpets and the rest. This little dealy bob seems to at least stop the pedal getting stuck in the carpet...Must have cost Subaru at least $.15 cents apiece!!!! I believe they build the Subarus in the same plant that Toyota builds some Camarys in too!
The thickness of both the mats and carpet is at least double + that of the Corolla and those da^&% Corolla mats were $200!
I still wish you all good luck! :shades:
Nothing wrong with Toyotas as you will realize !! :P
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
Now you're even with the Toyota tech as I'm sure he doesn't know either.
Never had much trouble at all, until gradually it would run rough and lack power and check engine light came on. Had to replace O2 sensor. A couple weeks later, same thing. I guess they had some bad ones, and they came from the dealer. She was still having problems last time I talked to her. I'll have to update that, since it's been a few months.
Bottom line, cars are a love - hate deal. We love them when they are great and hate them when we can't get where we want to go and it's costing $$$$. And all cars have problems sooner or later ... too many wear items and parts. One problem is there are not as many out there, so not all of the info is readily available on how to troubleshoot problems. Good luck!
"None of the complaints have been verified."
yes, The Subaru Outback is a quirky car and I know about most of them. Luckily I still have about 6 mos left on the factory warranty and it only has about 22k on the speedo (verified).
It is funny...It is still chilly here, and when it starts up, sounds like a diesel til it warms up (knew about that with the 4 banger)
Thanks again
i guess some manufacturers figured it out earlier than others.
One was an old Chevy 6 cylinder. I was in college and it was really in bad shape. Never fixed it. But it didn't have too much power and you could 1, turn off the key, although it didn't quit running very fast (it sort of dieseled a bit), and 2, you could pull the accelerator pedal back up. Probably some worn bushings or something.
My second cable throttle car to stick was a Buick Skylark Sportswagon. Can't remember the year, but GM had poorly designed motor mounts that when they failed -- and most of them did sooner or later -- it allowed the motor to torque or twist, lifting up in the engine compartment, thus causing the carb linkage to pull wide open. It was fixed with a cable lock to hold it.
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Denny
Toyota even said so in the case of the "sticking", non-Denso, gas pedal.
But my guess is that the public will NEVER see such an announcement, Toyota will find and fix the firmware flaw, all future vehicles will incorporate the fix, and the public will NEVER be the wiser.
For Toyota, even 4 or 5 deaths, the Saylor family, does not justify the need to announce the existence of a firmware flaw this insidious along with a fleetwide recall of this class.
For owners it would be like playing Russian Roulette....
John
And just look at how Sikes was "treated" by Toyota's PR team.....
"..potential death trap..."
Having one of these SUA events occur is probably equal to playing russian roulette with a million chambers in the gun but only one with a bullet. Lethal SUA would probably be one in ten million.
"..should have avoided the brand altogether.."
There are maybe two or three, five at the most, companies in the world today capable of supplying certifiably reliable and "robust" firmware for these new engine/transaxle control systems. The two main ones IMMHO are NipponDenso (Denso US), and Bosch. So vehicular "brand" probably doesn't matter as much as which software composition source is used by the brand you choose.
At this point in time I would choose Bosch since they do not have the "heads-down"(***) cultural history of the Japanese.
*** Don't point out flaws that are possibly the responsibility, FAULT, of someone "above". Keep your head down or it might get chopped off.
We should be more concerned about snake bites and lightening strikes.
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/acc-inj.htm
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From...http://www.livescience.com/environment/050106_odds_of_dying.html
The more specific figures are based on 2001, the most recent year for which complete data are available. Other odds, indicated with an asterisk (*) are based on long-term data.
All figures below are for U.S. residents.
Cause of Death Lifetime Odds
Heart Disease
1-in-5
Cancer
1-in-7
Stroke
1-in-23
Accidental Injury
1-in-36
Motor Vehicle Accident*
1-in-100
Intentional Self-harm (suicide)
1-in-121
Falling Down
1-in-246
Assault by Firearm
1-in-325
Fire or Smoke
1-in-1,116
Natural Forces (heat, cold, storms, quakes, etc.)
1-in-3,357
Electrocution*
1-in-5,000
Drowning
1-in-8,942
Air Travel Accident*
1-in-20,000
Flood* (included also in Natural Forces above)
1-in-30,000
Legal Execution
1-in-58,618
Tornado* (included also in Natural Forces above)
1-in-60,000
Lightning Strike (included also in Natural Forces above)
1-in-83,930
Snake, Bee or other Venomous Bite or Sting*
1-in-100,000
Earthquake (included also in Natural Forces above)
1-in-131,890
Dog Attack
1-in-147,717
Asteroid Impact*
1-in-200,000**
Tsunami* 1-in-500,000
Fireworks Discharge
1-in-615,488
** Perhaps 1-in-500,000
SOURCES: National Center for Health Statistics, CDC; American Cancer Society; National Safety Council; International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies; World Health Organization; USGS; Clark Chapman, SwRI; David Morrison, NASA; Michael Paine, Planetary Society Australian Volunteers
(no, it's not a Sienna, lol)
While not nearly as effective as normal braking on your RAV4 it is REAR implemented, no engine torque delivered there, and NOT subject to override by the ABS.
If you or your "other" is handy with "tools" then you might consider installing a relay activated by the e-brake applied light/annunciator power to open the circuit to the fuel pump when the e-brake is applied.
Yet another advantage to RWD, little (R/awd) or no engine torque to overcome/override the vehicle's primary braking resource, the FRONT brakes
No.
"Be-that-as-it-may" insofar as Toyota's being subject to SUA, I would be in line for purchasing a new 2012 Sienna were Toyota to adapt the new I4 to DFI (210-225HP..??) and provide a F/awd version along with.
Otherwise it will be the new 2012 Ford Escape (Lincoln Mariner) hybrid or the new 2012 Ford Explorer Sport-Trac for me.
Drove a 2010 Toyota Sienna last week while in Tampa and was really impressed with the quietness of the cabin and overall riding comfort. Was also impressed with the ability to open the rear quarter panel "winglets" from the driver's seat in order to more quickly purge the cabin of the HOT atmosphere resulting from setting out in the FL sun for hours. Or even to alleviate the helicopter BOOMING noise/pressure waves if someone lowered the "mid-ships" window(s).
But I was NOT impressed with the SHEAR design idiocy of the (manual) HVAC system. With a max cooling setting the recirculate mode would come on automatically and could NOT be over-ridden. I finally discovered that if I turned the temperature control knob just one click back from maximum cooling then I could override the system into fresh incoming airflow mode in order to more quickly purge the cabin of the HOT atmosphere and thereby much more quickly cool the cabin and cabin surfaces via returning to recirculate mode, MAXIMUM cooling setting.
NipponDenso, Denso HVAC design engineers, IDIOTS all...!!!
Think you'll find that feature in all the minivans.
I noticed older relatives don't call me to take them to doctors appointments nor pick them up from the hospital. I've been told that it's because the three vehicles I own do not support the elderly. I own a full size truck and SUV which I've been told rides too high and is difficult to get in and out of even using the running boards. My other vehicle I'm told rides too low making it again difficult to get in an out of though I never thought of the vette as being too low.
Perhaps this is a good thing?
The other side of the coin is that you survive the incident but kill three others with a collision and spend the next ten years in prison.
No, not even close to all. And some have manual winglet openers only accessible at the rear.